Melanotan and Melanotan II

PartyBoy has put together a very in depth and informative article on Melanotan and Melanotan II which covers uses, procedures, side effects and more.

You can read it directly here MELANOTAN ARTICLE
Or directly through the articles link at the top in the Steroids --> Drug Profiles section

In particular please note the following taken from the article: "Although not classed as controlled substances in the UK, they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally possess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the UK are doing so illegally."

As such, this substance falls into the catagory of "illicit substance" as far as MT is concerned therefore:

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If you wish to discuss the usage of Melanotan/Melanotan II, please use this topic.

Great stuff Partyboy.

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

Awsome read PB cheers mate.
but one thing your article didnt answer or i may have missed this part is Melenotans half life. Any ideas what it is?

Interesting stuff though just having a good read, it would seem that Melatonin is possibly the better choice out of the two (MT2)? ? ?

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

Is Melanotan the Chinese made one?

ORIGINAL: OoOGazOoO

Interesting stuff though just having a good read, it would seem that Melatonin is possibly the better choice out of the two (MT2)? ? ?

No idea mate.

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

most melanotan/melanotan2 avialable over the internet is made in china. re packed or re labled and sold on.

there is some melanotan2 available which is made in the usa, which imo is alot better, after using both types, from several different suppliers.

chinese manufactured hormones/pepetides/drugs, are at best a gamble. as most are shipped unlabled, and with no form of lab report. they are however 90% of the time alot cheaper than those manufactured in the more developed countries. buying from these sources is sometimes a risky business though, and i would advise anyone who does venture down this route, to use a supplier someone who you know has already used with no problems.

i myself have been using mt2 for a very long time now, and have reported no long term use side effects as of yet. almost everyone will expieriance the nausia/headaches/and errections to some degree. but it all depends on the user. i have never experianced flushing of the face/hyperpigmentation/freckles/moles/white patches/dizzyness/itching or lethargy. but as stated in partyboys article, these side affects are widley reported.

lots of info available on the melanotan formums www.melanoplanet.com/forums

i think its ok to post the link to the forums, as it isnt a link to suppliers. but if its deemed unacceptable mods are welcome to delete link

this year im goin to get alot bigger

Jibbs have you experienced any type of patching of the skin? when i used it i got this white circle on my cheek, well it wasnt completly white but a lot lighter than the rest of my face and idea how to combat this? and will this happen every time is use MT2?

ORIGINAL: Hybrid

Awsome read PB cheers mate.
but one thing your article didnt answer or i may have missed this part is Melenotans half life. Any ideas what it is?

IIRC MT-I half life is about 12hrs whereas MT-II is about 33hrs or in that region.

mcl

hybrid never had any problems mate but read alot about it

The white spots may be tinea versicolor... yeast/fungus on the skin that, when untanned, are invisible. The spots cannot tan until the fungus is eradicated and show up as white spots next to the healthy skin.

Here's just one of the links I have for it:

http://skin-care.health-cares.net/tinea-versicolor.php

this year im goin to get alot bigger

Hmmm intresting that, it doesnt metion this occuring on the face though and it isnt scaly or itch at all and i dont have oinly skin so im doubting it could be that.
what a flippin pain in the arse, ive had amazing results apart from this ridiculous patch

ORIGINAL: jibbstaylor

hybrid never had any problems mate but read alot about it

The white spots may be tinea versicolor... yeast/fungus on the skin that, when untanned, are invisible. The spots cannot tan until the fungus is eradicated and show up as white spots next to the healthy skin.

Here's just one of the links I have for it:

http://skin-care.health-cares.net/tinea-versicolor.php

Now that we have some more info on M and MT2.

What is the theory behind people that have already have existing moles, possibly increasing risks of cancer? ? ?

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

can i use my usual 3ml syringe that i use for test etc for melanotan and the 30g needles.

ie will the needles fit and can i measure the amount of solution accurately enough?

cheers.

ORIGINAL: lewism6

can i use my usual 3ml syringe that i use for test etc for melanotan and the 30g needles.

ie will the needles fit and can i measure the amount of solution accurately enough?

cheers.

Well, theoretically you could dilute the MT with 5 ml water, so that it's .5 ml for every mg of MT. But it would be a much better idea to just buy some slin pins. After all, their cost is insignificant compared to the cost of MT.

30g are the slin pins arent they?

i was intending on buying the 30g pins just wanted to know if they would fit on the 3ml barrel and that the 3ml barrel would be ok for injecting the solution out of?

cheers.

ORIGINAL: lewism6

30g are the slin pins arent they?

Yes, though slins tend to be shorter than a regular 30g 0.5" pin.

i was intending on buying the 30g pins just wanted to know if they would fit on the 3ml barrel and that the 3ml barrel would be ok for injecting the solution out of?

Yes they will fit. Barrels and needles are a universal size. As said though, 3ml barrels will not provide a great deal of accuracy without using a large amount of dilutent. 2ml barrels would be ok though

 

ok. cheers mate.

can we discuss sources for melanotan here?

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unfortunately not mate.

from drab:

Recently the mod team contacted the relevant government agencies concerning their stance on the legality of the sale of MT2

How do you mix the powder and water? Do you just put them both in a vial and shake? Also why do you need to use a different needle to draw the solution to the one you use to inject? Why can you not just take the lid off the vial and draw it that way without damaging the needle?

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Once the water is added just swirl it around until you're sure you've mixed everything.

Not good practice to inject with the same pin as drawing. No matter how careful you are the needle will likely contact the side or base of the vial and dull the pin. Also, you won't be able to effectively get every last micro-drop of solution if you're busy worrying about needle damage.

 

ORIGINAL: gwilym

can we discuss sources for melanotan here?

From the article:


As I’m sure you can appreciate, the development of these peptides has not gone unnoticed by the general population and as a result, there has been an explosion of suppliers looking to exploit such demand, with the peptides being formulated and originating largely from China. Although not classed as controlled substances in the U.K., they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally posess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the U.K. are doing so illegally.

 

Cool thanks for the advice, can you just pour the water into the container the MT comes in? Alos do you use and insulin pin to draw as well as inject , or would you need a longer one to draw to get to the bottom of the vial?

P.S. sorry for all the stupid questions, just i've never injected before and want to get it 100%

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ORIGINAL: gwilym

Cool thanks for the advice, can you just pour the water into the container the MT comes in?

No - get the right tools for the job. It's like training to be a dentist and saying to the lecturer, "Can't I just use my chisel for patient's tarter?"

Alos do you use and insulin pin to draw as well as inject , or would you need a longer one to draw to get to the bottom of the vial?

DO NOT use the same pin to try to draw the stuff. If you absolutely must use slin pins to shoot, you will need a separate normal barrel and large pin, say a 1-1.5" in length to mix and draw and then to backload the individual slins. Not the best solution imho as explained fully in the article.

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy
Although not classed as controlled substances in the U.K., they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally posess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the U.K. are doing so illegally.

partyboy, i fully understand your piont on this subject, but i have a few pionts to clarify

1. does the same apply to igf1?
2. on most websites selling mt2/igf1/mgf, they state that you have to agree to there terms and condittions, which basically say you are buying the research chemicals for hobyist/research uses only. and 90% of these sites do not give information relating to injecting or using them in any other way. Does this mean when we buy from these sites, its perfectly legal to do so?
3. are they actually breaking the law by selling them to us? surley its down to the individual purchasing the chemicals to make their own judgment on how safe/unsafe the substances are?

personally i think research chemicals are in a very grey area, and knowbody is actually breaking any laws, buy selling/purchasing mt2/igf1/mgf

this year im goin to get alot bigger

so what do you mix them in then, it says how much to mix just not where to do it in the article, would a standard glass vial with rubber stopper be sufficient?

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The melatonan comes in a glass vial with rubber stopper

Inject the water through the rubber stopper

 

ORIGINAL: jibbstaylor
1. does the same apply to igf1? No idea tbh mate as I've not researched igf specifically though I suspect similar rules apply.
2. on most websites selling mt2/igf1/mgf, they state that you have to agree to there terms and condittions, which basically say you are buying the research chemicals for hobyist/research uses only. Does this mean when we buy from these sites, its perfectly legal to do so?Certain research meds are legitimate drugs (such as nolvadex, so will have regulatory approval for UK market. Whether the research companies offering liquid variants are infringing drug patents is another matter entirely. Bottom line is until steps are taken to challenge such sales legally by the authorities, no-one really knows for certain the actual situation. I suspect these declarations to which the buyer agrees to has more to do with protection against a personal injury claim more than anything else.
3. are they actually breaking the law by selling them to us? Yes in the case of MT/MT2/Bremelanotide.

 

Hi Partyboy.

I am looking at getting some MT2, i just wondered if you could help me with the following please, i think it is to do with hyperpigmentation or over production or melanocytes...

Now that we have some more info on M and MT2.

What is the theory behind people that have already have existing moles, possibly increasing risks of cancer? ? ?

Thanks.

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

I would say the increase risk would come from any increased exposure to UV rather than MT/MT2 itself.

Usage of MT/MT2 will actually help protect against sun-damage, but above all, sensible UV exposure is crucial.

 

Thanks for that mate.

What would you call 'sensible' UV exposure? ? ?

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

Cool, all makes sense now. So last question i think. With the syringe you use a 1" needle to draw then change that to a 0.5" needle to inject. After you have done that, do you flush out the syringe at all or just put it back in the fridge until tomorrow? Or bin it and use a new one the next day?

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This is my shopping cart, all looks good then?

ND304 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Yellow 30g x 0.5 Inch per 100 £13.60 ex.
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ND400 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Orange 25G x 1 Inch per 100 £5.20 ex.
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ORIGINAL: gwilym

ND400 B & D Microlance 3 Needles Orange 25G x 1 Inch per 100 £5.20 ex.
(£6.11 inc.)

I only use 1" oranges as I got complete syringe+needle and the 1" orange was the pin that came with it. If you are buying them separate (barrel/pin) go for a longer length like these at the same price:

http://www.medisave.co.uk/terumo-neolus-needles-black-inch-p-1320.html

Here you'll get a 1.5" length with a relatively small guage (22g). Larger gauges can be used (19g or 21g) but can cause unnecessary butchering to the rubber stopper of your bac water vial over time.

SYR910 B & D Luer Lok 3ml Syringes per Box of 100 £10.45 ex.
(£12.28 inc.)

No need for luer lok versions. They differ from normal in that the needle screws on instead of pushes on. The push-on version is absolutely fine and costs much less per 100:
http://www.medisave.co.uk/disposable-syringe-pack-p-5643.html



All the rest is spot on. Don't forget nursingstandard44 at checkout for 5% off

 

ORIGINAL: gwilym

After you have done that, do you flush out the syringe at all or just put it back in the fridge until tomorrow? Or bin it and use a new one the next day?

All explained in the article bro

 

ORIGINAL: OoOGazOoO

Thanks for that mate.

What would you call 'sensible' UV exposure? ? ?

How long is a piece of string? What is sensible to one, may not be sensible to another. My take is don't go caning the sunlamps of sitting out in summer sun for hours on end etc etc. Sun-sense applies whether you are using this drug or not.

 

Are there any eye related adverse sides ?

I remember a tanning drug called Trisoleran, which increased eye sensitivity vastly. Perhaps there is no link between the two.

Not that I'm aware of

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

ORIGINAL: OoOGazOoO

Thanks for that mate.

What would you call 'sensible' UV exposure? ? ?

How long is a piece of string? What is sensible to one, may not be sensible to another. My take is don't go caning the sunlamps of sitting out in summer sun for hours on end etc etc. Sun-sense applies whether you are using this drug or not.

Ok thanks mate.

My calf training article - http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-gastrocnemius.aspx

Methods of training article - [link=http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-methods-of-training.aspx]

Hi,
ive got my melanotan II on its way to me but ive got acouple of questions

1, The water that is sent free with the 10mg vial from one supplier, will this be a sufficent amount or will i require any further to use all of the 10mg's.

2, Ive got 2ml barrels and 23g, 1 1/4'' pins
or 1ml 29g 12,7mm insulin needles at home with me.

which of these combo's would be better ?

3, do the insulin needles have to be back filled due to the fact that they would be
blunted if used to draw up with or is there something else that ive missed ?

Sorry if these points have been covered over but i seem to be a bit hard of understanding on this.......

Many thanks
JB