Most effective for street fighting?

LOL @ speydream, who is right, good tactics.

Boxing would give you a good base, knowing how to protect yourself while throwing punches etc, few head shot and bodyshot (wind him) job done lol

I would like to get into something too not so i could get into fights but to know that i am capable of protecting myself and fending off attacks, fighting back etc, im not one to pick a fight but i dont like getting picked on either. I dont know what to get into, theres a mma club near me but im not interested going alone, prob get into something when i head ot uni  in sept, maybe kickboxing/boxing or mma.

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Icemansoldier


How would wrestling be good from what i understand is street fights are people standing throwing punches lol

By kicks i meant kicks to the legs, if you know where to kick a person in the leg you can hurt them hence why i said kick boxing.

Whats muay thai entail, clinch work what else?

Elbows, Knees, Kicks, Clinch

Much Better the Kickboxing, kickboxing kicks are thrown totally differently to Muay Thai kicks

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theres a mma club near me but im not interested going alone

Get over this mate, it'll do you a lot of good.

Tthe most effective for streetfighting is to walk (run) away imo, not only do you avoid the chance of being glassed in the face or stabbed etc, you also reduce the risk of you "winning" by hospitalizing some bloke and doing porridge for a few years, not the best option imo.
 
If you really want to improve your streetfighting skills, some kind of mma training (kicks/ grapples etc) a thick leather jacket to stop you getting stabbed badly and a padded hat to stop the classic ashtray to the head causing to much damage. Oh and absolutely no care what you do to your opponent as he/ she/ they will probably not give a toss about what they do to you.
 
You may want to get in a ring (boxing/ thai/ mma whatever) and have a "proper" fight to see how you fare in a controlled environment, then add 10 pints and some drugs to your opponent and that is possibly what you get in a streetfight.
 
I do hear what you say about some areas though. I once walked an extra hour and a half when I lived in a rough area as there were groups of people who gave me and a mate a load of abuse on our way home, I just thought a walk was a better option than a kicking and explaining to the plod what happened.

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iceman solder,  i went to mma before, it was rough, but it was too hard, i was getting injured and wasnt able to train anything else cuz the trainers tried to overload you,  now that i think baout it, the trainers might not hav known wat they wer talking about lol.

Going to leave mma if i intend to do it until my lower back is fixed and i need to get into swimming to fix it.

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From personal experience/research - heres my opinion.

Firstly the best option is always to run off(though always look where you're running to so you dont run into their mates or traffic, etc). So good cardio is a good form of self defence here.
Secondly I would say krav maga, not necessarily because you will learn how to throw perfect punches but because you will be taught things like self awareness, awareness of surroundings, how to make yourself not become a target in the first place, etc, etc.
Then I would say Muay Thai, kickboxing or boxing(in that order IMO) for some decent strikes to defend yourself if you have to.
Then I think other martial arts like BJJ/wrestling can be useful, not necessarily because you want to choke people on the ground, etc, but for balance and helping to get yourself back to your feet if the fight does end up on the floor or in a clinch.
I don't think i have ever really seen a one on one fight(except scraps at school) so unfortunately I believe that to survive, you have to fight dirty as usually you will be up against more than one person. Thats where sometimes you cant really learn techniques, but you've got to have the heart to do anything to defend yourself, i.e. eye gouges/groin kicks/punch to throat/bites/etc. 

I currently train BJJ and don't do it for self defence but do it because I enjoy it, but I know that the knowledge I have gained will only help me if I do ever find myself having to defend myself.

The last self defence training I did involved going against a man fully suited in protective gear whilst running at me screaming with a knife, we then had to defend ourselves using full power strikes with the adrenaline pumping. Afterwards i could barely remember what I had done because the adrenaline dump I received was so great. (What I had done apparently was kick him in the groin VERY hard, pushed him onto the floor and then run off, and I was quite pleased with myself afterwards). I think that being able to handle fear and adrenaline are far more important than learning any sorts of skills/fancy moves. I have heard many stories of people who are knowledgeable martial artists who have 'frozen' and completely forgotten what they have learnt because they have never felt true fear or adrenaline, or dont know how to handle it. Most training in the martial arts doesnt seem to focus on this.

Anyways, just my two cents worth.
Sam

thanks for your reply mcmagnus, as it doesnt reli help wen ppl go " dont get into a fight" etc lol.

whats bjj like ???  wud you say the moves are effective, like would your entire ground game be covered with it ?

mattpower


thanks for your reply mcmagnus, as it doesnt reli help wen ppl go " dont get into a fight" etc lol.

whats bjj like ???  wud you say the moves are effective, like would your entire ground game be covered with it ?

Nope. You still have no protection from getting your head kicked in from other guys while your wreslting with one on the floor.

Surely the only good way of getting good at street fighting is to just street fight all the time.  I've seen random joe bloggs knock crap out of local boxers cos he fights week in week out on the street...

It's 'cause boxing is disciplined and street fighting isn't! Check out the phenomenon that is Kimbo Slice on youtube

the best martial arts for street fighting is Jeet Kune do and eskrima/kali as these do deal with all ranges and attacks. People can train to fight multiple attackers by making the opponents zig zag into a straight line so you deal with one at a time or get your self near a wall so they cant attack from behind.

Jim2007


It's 'cause boxing is disciplined and street fighting isn't! Check out the phenomenon that is Kimbo Slice on youtube

What Kimbo did was boxing, just without gloves.

 

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Jim2007


It's 'cause boxing is disciplined and street fighting isn't! Check out the phenomenon that is Kimbo Slice on youtube

What Kimbo did was boxing, just without gloves.

Yeah I accept that but merely wanted to point out the difference in styles between streetfighting and standard boxing.
 
Where to you live mattpower for it to be that bad?

The closest thing we have to a no rules fight is MMA. It's not the same, referee, no gouges, no mates weighing in, but it's the closest we have. Where are the Krav Maga champions? Where are the JKD champions? Wing Chun? Sumo? If you're going to go the martial arts route then try something durable and practical, that feels natural. Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, judo, bjj, all come under this banner.

Personally, I think BJJ is the last word on the floor, but the floor is the last place you want to be in a fight, so I think Judo or wrestling trumps it for staying on your feet.

You don't need to learn "classic" martial arts. Try googling Mick Coup and his C2 system for something a bit more tailored to self protection. What part of the country do you live in?

mattpower


thanks for your reply mcmagnus, as it doesnt reli help wen ppl go " dont get into a fight" etc lol.

whats bjj like ???  wud you say the moves are effective, like would your entire ground game be covered with it ?

Yeah I know what you mean, people always say don't get into a fight but sometimes thats easier said than done; though if ever possible always run away!!
 
In terms of BJJ, I love it, its VERY tough, but we spend at least half of all classes sparring and this is a good way to test if the techniques you've learnt will actually work against a resisting opponent.
But will doing just BJJ be good for streetfighting? Probably not. Though I believe it can help.
Personally the last place I would want to be in any fight(even a one on one fight) is on the ground. You might roll over broken glass, end up hitting your head on concrete, etc, etc. Or the worst case senario is if the guy your fighting has many friends who come over and start to kick you in the head. (I've been in this situation with being knocked to the floor and then having about 4 guys all kicking me in the head, its not nice!)
 
However, the techniques in BJJ would come in useful depending on the situation; probably most useful in a one on one fight(If you ever find yourself fighting a guy brave enough and with the honour to fight alone!?!? which seems to be a rare thing as most people who start fights are such cowards they only do it with their mates to back them up). e.g. a few techniques such as standing guillotine choke, standing kimura would all work if they were open to you. Takedown defence would be good and having a good centre of gravity as alot of fights tend to end up in a clinch. Also the ability to take the guy down if you want to, though generally a trip or throw would be better than a 'pick up and slam' style double leg takedown IMO - e.g. you could get the guy off-balance and throw the guy on the concrete floor, then just run away.
I just personally couldnt really see an armbar or triangle working well in a realistic self defence situation. knowledge of positions and sweeps would be useful to a certain degree though I think.
 
Always remember though if you train BJJ you are training it for competion, be it MMA or grappling, and not for street fighting(unless its BJJ tailored for self defence which I've never come across). So you are not training for an environment which could be different every time, like it would be on the street. This is the case for most martial arts aswell I believe.
This is where I like Krav Maga as you train specifically for self defence/survival, not to learn fancy moves that work well in a matted dojo, but don't work relistically on the street.
I wish there was somewhere local to me where I could train Krav Maga, but unfortunately there isnt. The only Krav Maga i've done was a 2day/16hour  'bootcamp' tailored to self defence and street crime. For me this was the best self defence skills I've ever learnt. For Krav Maga though, check the credentials of an instructor as Ive heard its getting quite 'McDojo-ish' with people trying to cash in on the name.
 
Even with a knowledge of grappling if I were unlucky enough to find myself on the floor I would do EVERYTHING to get back to my feet and run away.

BJJ is awesome. Possibly the finest martial art there is.

However if all you do is train in BJJ and you get into a streetfight, you'll soon find that many of the moves you've developed and become good at aren't anywhere near as effective when your opponent is able to punch, kick, bite and gouge you.

Perfect the basic submissions such as the choke, kimura, armbar etc as these can end a fight instantly, but neglect training in some form of striking art such as Muay Thai/Krav at your peril.

If you lock someone in a submission and they struggle try hard to break free youve broken there bloody bone!!! I mean there not going to tap out, and theres no ref about.

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nearly all street fights end in wrestling of some form as most people who fight are either in a pup or outside after the pub and drunk,out of say 20 fights per night i would say 15 end up wrestling and the other 5 ,one ends up on his back flailing his legs at the guy whos just knocked him on his ass lol ,there are people getting glassed bottled ko'd etc but mostly drunks wrestling and shouting .
thai in my eyes is most usefull against these types short powerful moves for use in close and wrestle/clinche knees and throws all very handy in this enviroment.

Mcmag

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The closest thing we have to a no rules fight is MMA. It's not the same, referee, no gouges, no mates weighing in, but it's the closest we have. Where are the Krav Maga champions? Where are the JKD champions? Wing Chun? Sumo? If you're going to go the martial arts route then try something durable and practical, that feels natural. Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, judo, bjj, all come under this banner.

Personally, I think BJJ is the last word on the floor, but the floor is the last place you want to be in a fight, so I think Judo or wrestling trumps it for staying on your feet.

You don't need to learn "classic" martial arts. Try googling Mick Coup and his C2 system for something a bit more tailored to self protection. What part of the country do you live in?

Mcmagnus pretty much said it. 

but again in a street-fight anything go's, ie you put 10 of your best MMA "hall of famer's" in with me and i shot every fcuking one of them, I win coz anything go's. Lol