Most effective for street fighting?

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Skrewdriver


Is it worth spending all that time and effort learning something, - just in case you might need it?  Just a thought :)

 
 
"Maintain an army for a lifetime if only to fight for one day"  Or something.

Skrewdriver


I've been alive for 34 years, - and i've never needed any martial art skills to protect myself.

Is it worth spending all that time and effort learning something, - just in case you might need it?  Just a thought :)

tbh outside working the door and going out on the piss i wd never need anything and wd never have had a fight.  but i do both of the above so better do something.  but thats my choice.  im sure if one wanted to you could avoid a fight for your whole life.  by turning the other cheek, but im not willing to do that sometimes. 

indie


This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

 
Rubbish. Sparring can, and will, help. I've seen small boxers destroy big guys without taking a hit. They are fitter, more experienced, calmer, more skilled, more accurate with shots and hit harder and quicker.
 
Whether it is more sensible to run away or not is irrelevant as that is not the purpose of the thread.
 

 

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I would have thought sparring was the closest type of training you can get to a real fight? I know a streetfight is a world apart from sparring someone in a gym but it's more realistic than hitting a puncbag. You get a feel for how another human moves and feel what it's like trying to hit something that is hitting you back. No piece of training equipment can accurately simulate/replicate the movement of another human being.

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indie


This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

 
Rubbish. Sparring can, and will, help. I've seen small boxers destroy big guys without taking a hit. They are fitter, more experienced, calmer, more skilled, more accurate with shots and hit harder and quicker.
 
Whether it is more sensible to run away or not is irrelevant as that is not the purpose of the thread.
 

 

Take a re-read of the original post, its the exact purpose of the thread! "what is most effective in a streetfight", This ain't a sparring thread. A few times now this thread has decended into a hypothetical small guy taking out a hypothetical big guy, which certainly isn't the purpose of this thread.
 
As for being fitter, more experienced calmer, etc as you have described, could be said about any martial artist or fighter of any discipline. We then get into the realms of boxing vs wrestling vs jiu-jitsu vs CQC.
 
In a real world situation your not hanging around to do a stand up battle, we aren't talking "street fighter ll turbo edition" you be Ryu i'll be blanka!
 
This is the reality, two guys most likely drunk, with drunk mates, one guy has a weapon of some sort, a knife most probably a broken beer bottle, Police are 2 minutes around the corner, and your on CCTV.
You'd be a fool to hang around, to try doing an armbar, a thai clinch, or high kicks.
 
 As for sparring however you look at it is not real fighting, it won't prepare you for multiple attackers or weapons, In a time of real crisis, martial arts or boxing will fail 9 times out of ten, as those techniques follow rules which quickly disapate, when you or others are out of the controlled environment of a gym, and under the influence of adrenaline or alcohol.

indie

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indie


This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

 
Rubbish. Sparring can, and will, help. I've seen small boxers destroy big guys without taking a hit. They are fitter, more experienced, calmer, more skilled, more accurate with shots and hit harder and quicker.
 
Whether it is more sensible to run away or not is irrelevant as that is not the purpose of the thread.
 

 

Take a re-read of the original post, its the exact purpose of the thread! "what is most effective in a streetfight", This ain't a sparring thread. A few times now this thread has decended into a hypothetical small guy taking out a hypothetical big guy, which certainly isn't the purpose of this thread.
 
As for being fitter, more experienced calmer, etc as you have described, could be said about any martial artist or fighter of any discipline. We then get into the realms of boxing vs wrestling vs jiu-jitsu vs CQC.
 
In a real world situation your not hanging around to do a stand up battle, we aren't talking "street fighter ll turbo edition" you be Ryu i'll be blanka!
 
This is the reality, two guys most likely drunk, with drunk mates, one guy has a weapon of some sort, a knife most probably a broken beer bottle, Police are 2 minutes around the corner, and your on CCTV.
You'd be a fool to hang around, to try doing an armbar, a thai clinch, or high kicks.
 
 As for sparring however you look at it is not real fighting, it won't prepare you for multiple attackers or weapons, In a time of real crisis, martial arts or boxing will fail 9 times out of ten, as those techniques follow rules which quickly disapate, when you or others are out of the controlled environment of a gym, and under the influence of adrenaline or alcohol.

How can a punch to the face fail? You can do a couple in under a second!

indie

mystictal

indie


This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

 
Rubbish. Sparring can, and will, help. I've seen small boxers destroy big guys without taking a hit. They are fitter, more experienced, calmer, more skilled, more accurate with shots and hit harder and quicker.
 
Whether it is more sensible to run away or not is irrelevant as that is not the purpose of the thread.
 

 

Take a re-read of the original post, its the exact purpose of the thread! "what is most effective in a streetfight", This ain't a sparring thread. A few times now this thread has decended into a hypothetical small guy taking out a hypothetical big guy, which certainly isn't the purpose of this thread.
 
As for being fitter, more experienced calmer, etc as you have described, could be said about any martial artist or fighter of any discipline. We then get into the realms of boxing vs wrestling vs jiu-jitsu vs CQC.
 
In a real world situation your not hanging around to do a stand up battle, we aren't talking "street fighter ll turbo edition" you be Ryu i'll be blanka!
 
This is the reality, two guys most likely drunk, with drunk mates, one guy has a weapon of some sort, a knife most probably a broken beer bottle, Police are 2 minutes around the corner, and your on CCTV.
You'd be a fool to hang around, to try doing an armbar, a thai clinch, or high kicks.
 
 As for sparring however you look at it is not real fighting, it won't prepare you for multiple attackers or weapons, In a time of real crisis, martial arts or boxing will fail 9 times out of ten, as those techniques follow rules which quickly disapate, when you or others are out of the controlled environment of a gym, and under the influence of adrenaline or alcohol.

i know what ya getting at and the choas and total randomness seen in street fights cannot be trained for really.

but if you know what your doing tecnhically and your prepaired to use it with force it will work!!

how can you say 9/10 boxing or martial arts wont work.  thats bullsh1t!!  i can assure you on many occasions while working ive had to use my training.  the only times where training has not figure in is when there have been multiple atackers with weapons then yea realisticly your fuct.  just have to stay aware of your surroundings and hope you dont get attacked from side or behind.  so positioning yourself in doorway or against a wall is ideal.   but for all other scenarios martial arts will and does work and is used regularly.  theres not always multiple attackers with weapons some people just want a dust up.

who says you have to follow the rules anyway, if im fighting im not gonna give them a bloody standing 8 or let them tap out its for real ill choke them out or keep punching till they've had enough 

We often train multiple attacker drills and sparring in Krav Maga.  I'm not claiming that it's going to ensure that you come out of a real life situation unscathed but I can't see it but helping.

Afterall does the army train by fighting a battle?  No, they simulate it as much as possible in a controlled environment.

My hope is that by training repeatedly that the movements and drills will become ingrained so that when faced with a knife at my throat, I can act appropriately and not necessarily think intensively about what I need to do.

To back to the OP, my opinion is that a good combo of MAs would be

Krav Maga - teach you awareness and how to 'get out of' attacks such as head locks, bear hugs etc

and a striking art such as Muay Thai so you can put some purpose behind your strikes and through sparring get used to the adrenalin dump that accompanies fighting and the feeling of getting hit full on.

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odog


i know what ya getting at and the choas and total randomness seen in street fights cannot be trained for really.

but if you know what your doing tecnhically and your prepaired to use it with force it will work!!

how can you say 9/10 boxing or martial arts wont work.  thats bullsh1t!!  i can assure you on many occasions while working ive had to use my training.  the only times where training has not figure in is when there have been multiple atackers with weapons then yea realisticly your fuct.  just have to stay aware of your surroundings and hope you dont get attacked from side or behind.  so positioning yourself in doorway or against a wall is ideal.   but for all other scenarios martial arts will and does work and is used regularly.  theres not always multiple attackers with weapons some people just want a dust up.

who says you have to follow the rules anyway, if im fighting im not gonna give them a bloody standing 8 or let them tap out its for real ill choke them out or keep punching till they've had enough 

Your in a different situation, your on a door, not drunk! throwing out...most probably rowdy drunk youngsters, plus you have backup from other doormen.
 
Rules i'm not talking queensbury rules someone who trains Martial arts trains within a set of guidelines ie... without weapons, no knees or kicks, no eye gauging, mano e mano. How would you react to something you haven't trained for! the flowery elements of some martial arts won't cut it on the street, Thats what CQC like krav try to address.

indie

odog


i know what ya getting at and the choas and total randomness seen in street fights cannot be trained for really.

but if you know what your doing tecnhically and your prepaired to use it with force it will work!!

how can you say 9/10 boxing or martial arts wont work.  thats bullsh1t!!  i can assure you on many occasions while working ive had to use my training.  the only times where training has not figure in is when there have been multiple atackers with weapons then yea realisticly your fuct.  just have to stay aware of your surroundings and hope you dont get attacked from side or behind.  so positioning yourself in doorway or against a wall is ideal.   but for all other scenarios martial arts will and does work and is used regularly.  theres not always multiple attackers with weapons some people just want a dust up.

who says you have to follow the rules anyway, if im fighting im not gonna give them a bloody standing 8 or let them tap out its for real ill choke them out or keep punching till they've had enough 

Your in a different situation, your on a door, not drunk! throwing out...most probably rowdy drunk youngsters, plus you have backup from other doormen.
 
Rules i'm not talking queensbury rules someone who trains Martial arts trains within a set of guidelines ie... without weapons, no knees or kicks, no eye gauging, mano e mano. How would you react to something you haven't trained for! the flowery elements of some martial arts won't cut it on the street, Thats what CQC like krav try to address.

i think doing the door is a similar situation, and mabye even more mentally taxing as you have to maintain yourself and cant explode as you would during a fight.  like you have to be more aware etc while remaining calm.

i think monitor made a good point about the army, saying that they dnt have wars to train for it, instead they try to simulate it as much as possible.  IMO, the only think different in a street fight between an experianced boxer/martial artist etc and experianced street fighter is confidence.  Confidence not to bak down, confident of your abilities and your surroundings.  so all that **** about 9/10 martial arts dnt work is ballix, mabye you mean mean 9/10 martial artists dnt work, cuz they lack the confidence, composure etc. 

also, id like to think that most of the ppl taking there training seriously enuf would refrain from being drunk that often, and therefore avoid fighting drunk.  Therefore all that about it wont work wen ur drunk is out the window aswell...

its a tough debate, and could go either way like

The only time you generally get streetfights are when people are drunk! so to avoid fighting when drunk is a moot point!

9 out of ten times martial arts go out the window, when a situation arises that you haven't trained for, I've seen it many times where experienced martial artists, do a couple of moves they know instinctively, then revert to fighting like anyone else.

Jeez you can see it in cage fighting ufc etc! an experienced martial artist gets taken down and forgets his training, not responding to the moves that a novice could get out of in the dojo (like a rabbit in the headlights).
 
Knowing martial arts may improve your chances a little, but those odds are seriously dimished when you add unforeseen variables into the equation, which you will certainly get in these situations.

Well there you go everyone, MA training is completely useless in a street environment. So if a you piss off a good boxer MMA fighter it will be 50:50 on the street.
 
 

indie



As for being fitter, more experienced calmer, etc as you have described, could be said about any martial artist or fighter of any discipline. We then get into the realms of boxing vs wrestling vs jiu-jitsu vs CQC.
 
Exactly! Some will transfer better that others to street fighting, i.e boxing and wrestling.
 
 
In a real world situation your not hanging around to do a stand up battle, we aren't talking "street fighter ll turbo edition" you be Ryu i'll be blanka!
 okay... ?
This is the reality, two guys most likely drunk, with drunk mates, one guy has a weapon of some sort, a knife most probably a broken beer bottle, Police are 2 minutes around the corner, and your on CCTV.
You'd be a fool to hang around, to try doing an armbar, a thai clinch, or high kicks.
 
Who mentioned arm bars or high kicks? People are still commonly attacked one-on-one or when cornered, when running isn't an option.
  
 As for sparring however you look at it is not real fighting, it won't prepare you for multiple attackers or weapons, In a time of real crisis, martial arts or boxing will fail 9 times out of ten, as those techniques follow rules which quickly disapate, when you or others are out of the controlled environment of a gym, and under the influence of adrenaline or alcohol.
LOL is that stat based on scientific research?

 
 
Can I ask what your MA background is to be speaking so strongly on the subject?

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mystictal


Well there you go everyone, MA training is completely useless in a street environment. So if a you piss off a good boxer MMA fighter it will be 50:50 on the street. 
  
Whats a boxer going to do when they are in a standing rear choke? whats a jiu jitsu practitioner going to do when a drink is thrown into his face and punched in the head? Kickboxer grabbed by the hair, with a girl scratching his eyes? They have as good a chance as anyone else!
 

indie



As for being fitter, more experienced calmer, etc as you have described, could be said about any martial artist or fighter of any discipline. We then get into the realms of boxing vs wrestling vs jiu-jitsu vs CQC.
 
Exactly! Some will transfer better that others to street fighting, i.e boxing and wrestling.
 
 
none will "transfer" if your attacker has a knife.

   
 
In a real world situation your not hanging around to do a stand up battle, we aren't talking "street fighter ll turbo edition" you be Ryu i'll be blanka!
 okay... ?
This is the reality, two guys most likely drunk, with drunk mates, one guy has a weapon of some sort, a knife most probably a broken beer bottle, Police are 2 minutes around the corner, and your on CCTV.
You'd be a fool to hang around, to try doing an armbar, a thai clinch, or high kicks.
 
Who mentioned arm bars or high kicks? People are still commonly attacked one-on-one or when cornered, when running isn't an option.
 
 
Arm bars, high kicks are moves in jiu jitsu and kickboxing respectively, both of which have been mentioned in this discussion of which martial art is best.

   
 As for sparring however you look at it is not real fighting, it won't prepare you for multiple attackers or weapons, In a time of real crisis, martial arts or boxing will fail 9 times out of ten, as those techniques follow rules which quickly disapate, when you or others are out of the controlled environment of a gym, and under the influence of adrenaline or alcohol.
LOL is that stat based on scientific research?
 
No mate, its based on police statistics. The amount of martial arts wannabe hardmen, who get there a**ses handed to them on a plate come friday night is high, its a false sense of security.

 
 
Can I ask what your MA background is to be speaking so strongly on the subject?

My background CQC krav, judo, boxing, CQC weaponry skills. 
 
Would I trust my skills in a street fight? One guy...probably, one guy and his mate...maybe, one guy two mates and a glass bottle/knife. It gets more and more unlikely. Trust me, I'm being realistic, going to your local martial arts lesson/boxing club twice a week does not make anyone invincable.
 
For the average street fight on a friday night, the most effective thing to do, have lots of mates who will back you up, to intimidate anyone into not fighting in the first place.
For a one on one mugging, depending on the situation, Something like krav maga, and get away as fast as possible.
 
You seem to be an expert in disecting my advice, whats your background?
 
 

CQC as a concept sounds a bit gimmicky to me?

No-one is saying training makes you invincible, but the point is that it clearly puts you in a better position that you would have otherwise been.

Does it "clearly" put you in a better position! other than conjecture, what are you basing that on?
 
Gimmicky , why do you say that?

I've only done a bit of MA training but I have 'performed' a lot better in self-defence situations than I did before. Just knowing how to throw a punch better has seen me in good stead.

CQC just sounds a bit gimmicky, just the unneccesary use of acronyms for a start, lol. Krav is Krav right, don't see anywhere promoting CQC Krav, just seems like an uneccessary distinction.

to be fair i think indie has some good points. 

the street is totally diff and ive seen a few skilled guys get battered just cos of the surroundings.

but i still think training helps.  and yuor right about working on the door its a totally diff thing.  ive been in street fights off the door too. and ive had a few kickings as well so i know the reality of street fights

One on one street fighting your best training is improve your standup and your KO power to the point where you can KO someone with one punch or a short flurry/combination.  IMO wrestling or a good take down is key - especially in Europe where very few people can wrestle and/or have a good sprawl (take down defense).  Rugby players are usually good at taking someone down but most people struggle to fight off of their back.
When facing multiple attackers or weapons your best defense is get the frig out of there as fast as you can.....I would not attempt to fight anyone who is carrying a weapon unless you absolutely know what you are doing which rules out about 99.9% of people

If your fighting drunk you'll forgot most of the things that you've learned in class...In my limited experiance anyway

But learning to punch correctly is surely an invaluable skill and so it should be said that some striking training is better then none

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I've only done a bit of MA training but I have 'performed' a lot better in self-defence situations than I did before. Just knowing how to throw a punch better has seen me in good stead.

CQC just sounds a bit gimmicky, just the unneccesary use of acronyms for a start, lol. Krav is Krav right, don't see anywhere promoting CQC Krav, just seems like an uneccessary distinction.

CQC isn't a martial art its just a description, like "hand to hand combat". your right though, Krav is krav, Krav by definition is CQC.
 
There is no "CQC Krav", just me lumping other forms of CQC I know, in with the Krav.  My bad Grammer/punctuation

indie
 

Would I trust my skills in a street fight? One guy...probably, one guy and his mate...maybe,   
   

 
Well then we are fully agreed! You were basically dismissing MA training as useless on the street. I view being attacked by a group with weapons as a complete different thing to a street fight.
Perhaps you were trying to emphasise the futility of getting involved in avoidable fights but the way you were coming across was overly-dismissive of the usefulness of MA training.
 
 
My personal background is boxing. I understand it's limitations and will take up grappling of some form.

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Well then we are fully agreed! You were basically dismissing MA training as useless on the street. I view being attacked by a group with weapons as a complete different thing to a street fight.
Perhaps you were trying to emphasise the futility of getting involved in avoidable fights but the way you were coming across was overly-dismissive of the usefulness of MA training.
 
 
My personal background is boxing. I understand it's limitations and will take up grappling of some form.

Not fully agreed, Martial arts gives a false sense of security, street fights are unpredictable. I don't know what your idea of a street fight is, but I have the feeling your seeing it as a one on one, face to face situation. with an honourable handshake at the start and end!
 
I'll take the nutter who fights every weekend with no martial arts or boxing training, over the "over confident" guy who does some boxing training after work on a monday evening.
The thing that martial arts or boxing doesn't teach "fighting dirty"
you'll be caught out one day by that nutter, with a dirty trick of the streetfighting trade
When you have some CQC experience, you'll realise how unprepared you really are.
 
 

I see a street fight as having a fight on the street, you are inserting your own scenarios in.
A street fight IME will involve typically, an aggressor throwing a headbutt/punch, then numerous crappy punches(boxing) with clumsy grappling(wrestling) thrown in the mix.
 I havent seen these mythical Tank Abbot's type's you've seen Eye Gouging and fish hooking you lol. All the street fighting types IME have is gameness and aggression and maybe speed.

The guy isn't asking "how can I beat up a large gang welding weapons, every time?" either.

I never said going to boxing after work on a Monday will make someone a competent boxer. I've competed in boxing before and won. And know I still have a way to go before I become a decent boxer.  It takes years of steady consistent training to become good.

And I have been attacked quite a few times, I know I'm  better prepared by training in boxing.

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my boss is a martial arts instructor and has had 30 boxing bouts, few kickboxing, few mma and teaches few lethal type martial arts cant rem what there called. but hes written books and got vids etc.  hes had prob 100's fights on the door.  and won most of them.  but i rem one time some rude boy whos never been to the gym asked him for a scrap round the corner.  he went and he got a absolute pasting.  the kid said look i dont wanna then bang dropped the head on him.  lights out then kicked him round like a rag doll.  his prob was he hadnt really been beaten before and thought he was indestrcutable.  But he said that day taught him the most important lesson, anyone can be beaten on any day.  you always have to rem that when fighting.

but anyway back to indie,  who says you cant do your martial arts training plus dirty fighting if your opponent wants to go down that route.

ill happily trade punches.  and if they wanna take it to that level of bottling, biting or whatever than thats fine ill do the same.  but still have the skills at my disposal.  

what is cqc by thr way, what does it stand for??

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my boss is a martial arts instructor and has had 30 boxing bouts, few kickboxing, few mma and teaches few lethal type martial arts cant rem what there called. but hes written books and got vids etc.  hes had prob 100's fights on the door.  and won most of them.  but i rem one time some rude boy whos never been to the gym asked him for a scrap round the corner.  he went and he got a absolute pasting.  the kid said look i dont wanna then bang dropped the head on him.  lights out then kicked him round like a rag doll.  his prob was he hadnt really been beaten before and thought he was indestrcutable.  But he said that day taught him the most important lesson, anyone can be beaten on any day.  you always have to rem that when fighting.

but anyway back to indie,  who says you cant do your martial arts training plus dirty fighting if your opponent wants to go down that route.

ill happily trade punches.  and if they wanna take it to that level of bottling, biting or whatever than thats fine ill do the same.  but still have the skills at my disposal.  

what is cqc by thr way, what does it stand for??

Whos that Odog? What company?

bristol based company mate!!

KMF , Muay thai and JKD .... KMF is one of the only martial arts that teaches street defence on a regular basis , and actually requires you to defend yourself from several attackers to gain a 'grade'...o and some of the techniques are rather brutal and straight to the point aswell ...mixed with some kicks and knees from Muay thai ...and the directness of JKD and your sorted ...but on a whole i agree with everyone above , steer clear of street fighting ..no-one is a winner when it comes to fighting on the streets , there is not point sheding blood when you can walk away ....

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i would go with KRAV MAGA imo but with any fight get in first get in hard if you have too but KRAV also teaches you avoidance first i.e staying in well lit areas but these days some will attack you in broad day light in a populated areas i.e me and my bro were out the other day and group of 5 tried to ug us my bro is about 6.2" and about 20st natural so he grabbed the first one he could and really hurt him bad the rest just sh1t themselves so did i mind you i thought he had killed him the rest run off when we were back at his and i asked him why he went that far and he said feck prison that could of been us fair point i suppose lol

just an update, ive joined muay thai !

and trying to convince onea my mates to try BJJ wif me on wedensdays!

joelamb13579


KMF , Muay thai and JKD .... KMF is one of the only martial arts that teaches street defence on a regular basis , and actually requires you to defend yourself from several attackers to gain a 'grade'...o and some of the techniques are rather brutal and straight to the point aswell ...mixed with some kicks and knees from Muay thai ...

 

I agree. we used to teach female rape attacks. bascially when we were on top of them, we used to teach them to go for eyes and bolloc**. 

Anyone who advises this art or that art for the street is talking out of their arse, they are all good, or bad, depending on how much you really know, its "whats in you" that counts, the general rule is, quickest to the punch. Nine times out of ten though, the punch will come from behind when you least expect it...here's an old N.Irish saying for ya...."wise up son"....lol

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Anyone who advises this art or that art for the street is talking out of their arse, they are all good, or bad, depending on how much you really know, its "whats in you" that counts, the general rule is, quickest to the punch. Nine times out of ten though, the punch will come from behind when you least expect it...here's an old N.Irish saying for ya...."wise up son"....lol

I agree 100%!
You can discuss what you think the best martial art is for street fighting. And what would make you the most prepared. But i think the bottom line is that a street fight is a all about the 'unexpected' Nobody can prepare for the unexpected. Only prepare in the hope that you may stand a better chance against the unexpected!

I think the main point here is - dont street fight. You will end up either seriously hurt, or you'll go too far without meaning to and go inside for GBH or manslaughter. In my profession I've seen both many times.
 
If you really must fight, then do MMA. Best for MMA? Learn BJJ for groundfighting. Learn Judo or freestyle wrestling for takedowns. And learn Muay Thai for stand up. Nothing is more powerful. If you want the ultimate MA combos then thats it there.
 
If you just want to learn a martial art then Judo all the way. Its a full sport which bodybuilders have an advantage in providing you learn the art properly. Its got a massive competition structure going up to the olympics and its something you can grade in to gauge progress.
 
If you really must streetfight, nothing more than the basics in martial arts will make any difference unless you're like a 5th Dan in my opinion. If you're hard, you're hard. If you're not, you're not. Its in your head. What you can take, how aggressive AND sensible you are and more importantly, if you're LUCKY!
 
Krav Maga has a great aim - Cause as much damage as quickly and efficiently as you can with minimal effort.
 
Another main point - Fitness. If you get winded you lose. If they run out of breath first, you win. But street fights dont normally go that long.
 
Stay sober for focus and if you really get in trouble and have to - Do what you have to do and whats justified as quick and hard as you can possibly do it. Take out the hardest one in whatever way you need to. Balls, throat, elbow, headbutt whatever. Then as soon as you're safe, stop. Or you'll invite prison.
 
For training - Get as strong as you can. Get as fit as you can. Find someone who can box/kick/knee/elbow, get them to teach you basics, then punch and kick the bag in circuits and make it as fast and hard as possible over time.
 
BUT - Just do judo or MMA mate. Much better.

mma is good as it encourperates a lot of elements of fighting but its not the b all and end all!!

try some ground moves on the street and you ll get some teeth sank into your leg/arm whatever!!  most moves can be got out of when you put your fingers in their eyes or bite them.  plus the gound is the absolute last place you wanna be.  there is no reason you wanna be willingly rolling with someone on the street.  get to feet soon as.  soccer kicks, stomps if there on the floor if you need to.

agree on judo  tho,and boxing/thai

If you're serious about street fighting, you need to get some underpants to wear over your trousers and a cape.