Most effective for street fighting?

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in my opinion the first thing you need in order to win a streetfight is heart, or guts

it doesnt matter what you are trained in, if you do not have the heart to get back up each time you get knocked down then you have lost

i personally have been in situations with martial art trained lads who have proved to be much less us then a typical brawler with no trainign at all, just a bit of weights and a massive set of bollox

martial arts training comes after heart for me, when you get knocked down do you go into a ball and lie there praying it will stop, or do you get the hell back up and keep biting, gouging, kicking, etc?

Heart is obviously a part of it.

Ceteris paribus, a trained fighter will nearly always beat someone with no training.

i.e. take two people with similar mindset, strength etc and the one with good training will win.

The last time I saw a proper streetfight the sort of punches being thrown were comical, i.e. a decent trained fighter would never have been hit by them.

If you're working with you've got, i.e. assuming you can't change mental characteristics, which I actually believe you can, then training in the proper way in the proper combat sport will make you more likely to survive any street encounter than had you done no combat sports.

All IMO.

Formely 'Badboy007'

Very valid point about ****ting yourself when a reallife fight situation arises even if you are trained you will either shi* yourself or you will be confident you can give it a good go with the skills you have obtained from training.

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mattpower


just out of curiousity

are there any real strong guys here who have been in a fight and dont have any martial arts/boxing background??

if so, how much did strength matter in the fight

also please post your best lifts to assess your strength

regards

ive seen loads of fights stood on the door for years and i have to say from what ive seen strength hasnt played a big role.
 
ive seen big roiders absoulutely battered by lithe 10 stone lunatics on plenty of occasions.  and im not sayin that cos im a lithe 10 stoner i wd be regarded as a 'roider' too i guess. its just what ive experienced.
 
i guess these smaller scrappy lil lads are fighting week in and out and the big boys tend not to bother too often and are left alone.

odog

mattpower


just out of curiousity

are there any real strong guys here who have been in a fight and dont have any martial arts/boxing background??

if so, how much did strength matter in the fight

also please post your best lifts to assess your strength

regards

ive seen loads of fights stood on the door for years and i have to say from what ive seen strength hasnt played a big role.
 
ive seen big roiders absoulutely battered by lithe 10 stone lunatics on plenty of occasions.  and im not sayin that cos im a lithe 10 stoner i wd be regarded as a 'roider' too i guess. its just what ive experienced.
 
i guess these smaller scrappy lil lads are fighting week in and out and the big boys tend not to bother too often and are left alone.

agree, in essence strength doesnt mean 5hit

if your big you can throw them round but lets be honest we've all fought skinny lads that are just plainly too fast, throw in a bit of footwork and youre struggling, panting like an old pervert and missing punches

What you guys are saying is true,

but take two versions of the same people and the stronger one will win.

Of course there are lots of different variables, but take two people with the same experience, ability and mindset and the stronger one will win. Fairly obvious.

As I said before, if size and strength doesn't matter then why are there weight classes in MMA and boxing? Hatton wouldn't knock out Valuev, he couldn't even cope with Mayweather's size advantage.

I personally have come across lots of scallys that are constantly in fights and some that even had boxing experience, were they good fighters yes, but this mythical 'lunatic 10 stone streetfighter who can destroy any strong/big guy is a myth'..

As soon as they come up against a stronger, bigger guy with similar experience skills and mindset they will be in trouble.

The upshot is that getting stronger and bigger will make you more able to cope with violent situations than had you done no strength training.

Formely 'Badboy007'

im only telling you what ive seen and experienced with my own eyes! on many occasions.  its no myth ive seen tiny people batter big lumps loads of times.  even doorman that were supposed to be fighers.

of course aggression and skill being equal the bigger stronger guy will normally win.  theres no real advantage to being smaller.

however if you look at dogs pit bull is widely regarded as the meanest mainly cos they dont give in.  i find this with smaller nasty fckers too.  i know it silly comparison but thats how i see it.  roiders like a bullmastiffs and lil 10- stoners like a pitbull. 

and 'being bigger and stronger will make u more able to cope with violent situations' 

think you ll have a shock when u come up against a nasty scrapper and find it doesnt mean anything just a false sense of security.  doing the bench press wont enable you to deal with some kid like a jack in the box flinging 100's of punches at you.

Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

In a real fight you revert to whatever comes naturally, even if you remember to do a bit of jiu jitsu or hold someone in a clinch, you'll get your face smashed in, by the five mates behind you, there are no dojo rules in a street fight!

using speed to pre-empt an attack then legging it, is the most effective protocol for streetfighting.

indie


Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

 
That is simply not true. Hence why in my original comment on best street fighting I emphasised 'lots of sparring'.

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Yes Odog I get your point.

But they also have weight classes in dog fighting (pit bulls) for a reason. The bigger pit will usually beat the smaller one!

Therefore my point still stands that being stronger puts you in a better position than had you done no strength training at all.

Formely 'Badboy007'

i dont really think it does tho.. how does lifting weights mean you can fight?  you still have to have some skill/aggression/bollox or it doesnt mean anything,

much like those with blackbelts in taekwando its all for show unless you got gameness to go with it

evad


avoidance would be my first choice

my second would be a mix of krav maga, boxing and ufc

ive never done ufc but im guessing it would fall in nicely with the boxing element so maybe just ufc and a bit of krav maga

thai boxing may be ok but things like roundhouses, etc are not recommended in a street fight, nothing above the hip is as far as i know (in terms of kicks)

i dont see the point in learnign a martial art just to make you good at street fighting

hahaah 'ufc', that made me giggle. it's not a martial art, boris

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evad


avoidance would be my first choice

my second would be a mix of krav maga, boxing and ufc

ive never done ufc but im guessing it would fall in nicely with the boxing element so maybe just ufc and a bit of krav maga

thai boxing may be ok but things like roundhouses, etc are not recommended in a street fight, nothing above the hip is as far as i know (in terms of kicks)

i dont see the point in learnign a martial art just to make you good at street fighting

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. But UFC isn't a style of fighting, it's a promoter of MMA.
 
You wouldn't go around saying you trained in WBO because you were a boxer...
 
Sorry to pick at you, just an observation.

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im sure he meant ufc rules of fighting, ie striking, grappling, groundwork, etc

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indie


Once your in a real fight, whatever someone has learnt in a martial arts lesson goes out the window! the moves don't come instinctively, you have to think to remember moves.

 
That is simply not true. Hence why in my original comment on best street fighting I emphasised 'lots of sparring'.

This is street fighting we are talking about, sparring will do jack sh1t, especially when someone is trying to headbut you, his mates are holding you down giving you a kicking.

I have only done a bit of sparring but of course it helps.

It helps get you used to taking a punch and feeling the adrenaline dump. Of course its not the same but it helps.

Are you seriously saying that learning how to punch hard, fast and accurate will not help you in a street fight?

What you are saying is that a trained fighter does not have an advantage in a street fight. This is clearly wrong, learning to even throw a decent punch accurately can make a big difference...

It only takes one good punch to end a fight, no matter what headbutts, biting and gouging is involved. Learning how to throw a fight ending punch is an advantage, i've found it myself.

Formely 'Badboy007'

in my opinion, i dont think you can say that "martial arts is usless, cuz 4 of his mates will be kicking your head in".  its such a pessimistic view.  obviously strength and martial arts arent a 'solution' that will garentee success in a street fight, but they couldnt hurt to have lol.

this post stemed out longer than i thought it would, i think im gona stick wif bjj and muay thai, while doing boxing training at home.

mabye a few chunks of wrestling or judo aswell lol, none of the hard moves, just a few useful ones.

Good plan mate, sure they will help and will be enjoyable.

Try to find a reputable muay thai club as one I went to that was supposed to have an amazing rep was nothing more than a mcdojo lol, i.e. 'gradings' for muay thai lol. There's some good clubs in the Uk though.

Formely 'Badboy007'

badboy007


I have only done a bit of sparring but of course it helps.

It helps get you used to taking a punch and feeling the adrenaline dump. Of course its not the same but it helps.

Are you seriously saying that learning how to punch hard, fast and accurate will not help you in a street fight?

What you are saying is that a trained fighter does not have an advantage in a street fight. This is clearly wrong, learning to even throw a decent punch accurately can make a big difference...

It only takes one good punch to end a fight, no matter what headbutts, biting and gouging is involved. Learning how to throw a fight ending punch is an advantage, i've found it myself.

Sparring is not a martial art, sparring isn't even the same as a boxing match, good sparrer doesn't equate to being a good fighter. especially if your drunk which most people are when they fight.
 
It may only take one good punch to end a fight, a streetfight is a choatic sloppy mêlée sometimes with multiple attackers, weapons and no rules.
 
If your standing round trying to replicate something, from the boxing gym you go to once or twice a week, you may only get in one or two shots before someone picks up a 2x4 or smashes a glass in your head.
 
If your sensible you don't hang around long enough to do anything more than make a clear path out, by doing anything you need to do to escape.
 
 

I've been alive for 34 years, - and i've never needed any martial art skills to protect myself.

Is it worth spending all that time and effort learning something, - just in case you might need it?  Just a thought :)