Most effective for street fighting?

badboy007


I've only done a bit of MA training but I have 'performed' a lot better in self-defence situations than I did before. Just knowing how to throw a punch better has seen me in good stead.

CQC just sounds a bit gimmicky, just the unneccesary use of acronyms for a start, lol. Krav is Krav right, don't see anywhere promoting CQC Krav, just seems like an uneccessary distinction.

CQC isn't a martial art its just a description, like "hand to hand combat". your right though, Krav is krav, Krav by definition is CQC.
 
There is no "CQC Krav", just me lumping other forms of CQC I know, in with the Krav.  My bad Grammer/punctuation

indie
 

Would I trust my skills in a street fight? One guy...probably, one guy and his mate...maybe,   
   

 
Well then we are fully agreed! You were basically dismissing MA training as useless on the street. I view being attacked by a group with weapons as a complete different thing to a street fight.
Perhaps you were trying to emphasise the futility of getting involved in avoidable fights but the way you were coming across was overly-dismissive of the usefulness of MA training.
 
 
My personal background is boxing. I understand it's limitations and will take up grappling of some form.

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Well then we are fully agreed! You were basically dismissing MA training as useless on the street. I view being attacked by a group with weapons as a complete different thing to a street fight.
Perhaps you were trying to emphasise the futility of getting involved in avoidable fights but the way you were coming across was overly-dismissive of the usefulness of MA training.
 
 
My personal background is boxing. I understand it's limitations and will take up grappling of some form.

Not fully agreed, Martial arts gives a false sense of security, street fights are unpredictable. I don't know what your idea of a street fight is, but I have the feeling your seeing it as a one on one, face to face situation. with an honourable handshake at the start and end!
 
I'll take the nutter who fights every weekend with no martial arts or boxing training, over the "over confident" guy who does some boxing training after work on a monday evening.
The thing that martial arts or boxing doesn't teach "fighting dirty"
you'll be caught out one day by that nutter, with a dirty trick of the streetfighting trade
When you have some CQC experience, you'll realise how unprepared you really are.
 
 

I see a street fight as having a fight on the street, you are inserting your own scenarios in.
A street fight IME will involve typically, an aggressor throwing a headbutt/punch, then numerous crappy punches(boxing) with clumsy grappling(wrestling) thrown in the mix.
 I havent seen these mythical Tank Abbot's type's you've seen Eye Gouging and fish hooking you lol. All the street fighting types IME have is gameness and aggression and maybe speed.

The guy isn't asking "how can I beat up a large gang welding weapons, every time?" either.

I never said going to boxing after work on a Monday will make someone a competent boxer. I've competed in boxing before and won. And know I still have a way to go before I become a decent boxer.  It takes years of steady consistent training to become good.

And I have been attacked quite a few times, I know I'm  better prepared by training in boxing.

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my boss is a martial arts instructor and has had 30 boxing bouts, few kickboxing, few mma and teaches few lethal type martial arts cant rem what there called. but hes written books and got vids etc.  hes had prob 100's fights on the door.  and won most of them.  but i rem one time some rude boy whos never been to the gym asked him for a scrap round the corner.  he went and he got a absolute pasting.  the kid said look i dont wanna then bang dropped the head on him.  lights out then kicked him round like a rag doll.  his prob was he hadnt really been beaten before and thought he was indestrcutable.  But he said that day taught him the most important lesson, anyone can be beaten on any day.  you always have to rem that when fighting.

but anyway back to indie,  who says you cant do your martial arts training plus dirty fighting if your opponent wants to go down that route.

ill happily trade punches.  and if they wanna take it to that level of bottling, biting or whatever than thats fine ill do the same.  but still have the skills at my disposal.  

what is cqc by thr way, what does it stand for??

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odog


my boss is a martial arts instructor and has had 30 boxing bouts, few kickboxing, few mma and teaches few lethal type martial arts cant rem what there called. but hes written books and got vids etc.  hes had prob 100's fights on the door.  and won most of them.  but i rem one time some rude boy whos never been to the gym asked him for a scrap round the corner.  he went and he got a absolute pasting.  the kid said look i dont wanna then bang dropped the head on him.  lights out then kicked him round like a rag doll.  his prob was he hadnt really been beaten before and thought he was indestrcutable.  But he said that day taught him the most important lesson, anyone can be beaten on any day.  you always have to rem that when fighting.

but anyway back to indie,  who says you cant do your martial arts training plus dirty fighting if your opponent wants to go down that route.

ill happily trade punches.  and if they wanna take it to that level of bottling, biting or whatever than thats fine ill do the same.  but still have the skills at my disposal.  

what is cqc by thr way, what does it stand for??

Whos that Odog? What company?

bristol based company mate!!

KMF , Muay thai and JKD .... KMF is one of the only martial arts that teaches street defence on a regular basis , and actually requires you to defend yourself from several attackers to gain a 'grade'...o and some of the techniques are rather brutal and straight to the point aswell ...mixed with some kicks and knees from Muay thai ...and the directness of JKD and your sorted ...but on a whole i agree with everyone above , steer clear of street fighting ..no-one is a winner when it comes to fighting on the streets , there is not point sheding blood when you can walk away ....

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i would go with KRAV MAGA imo but with any fight get in first get in hard if you have too but KRAV also teaches you avoidance first i.e staying in well lit areas but these days some will attack you in broad day light in a populated areas i.e me and my bro were out the other day and group of 5 tried to ug us my bro is about 6.2" and about 20st natural so he grabbed the first one he could and really hurt him bad the rest just sh1t themselves so did i mind you i thought he had killed him the rest run off when we were back at his and i asked him why he went that far and he said feck prison that could of been us fair point i suppose lol

just an update, ive joined muay thai !

and trying to convince onea my mates to try BJJ wif me on wedensdays!

joelamb13579


KMF , Muay thai and JKD .... KMF is one of the only martial arts that teaches street defence on a regular basis , and actually requires you to defend yourself from several attackers to gain a 'grade'...o and some of the techniques are rather brutal and straight to the point aswell ...mixed with some kicks and knees from Muay thai ...

 

I agree. we used to teach female rape attacks. bascially when we were on top of them, we used to teach them to go for eyes and bolloc**. 

Anyone who advises this art or that art for the street is talking out of their arse, they are all good, or bad, depending on how much you really know, its "whats in you" that counts, the general rule is, quickest to the punch. Nine times out of ten though, the punch will come from behind when you least expect it...here's an old N.Irish saying for ya...."wise up son"....lol

Urban Combatives. 

i now go to muay thai and bjj , yay lol

Muay Thai & Judo, End of.

The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights.

GOVINDA


Anyone who advises this art or that art for the street is talking out of their arse, they are all good, or bad, depending on how much you really know, its "whats in you" that counts, the general rule is, quickest to the punch. Nine times out of ten though, the punch will come from behind when you least expect it...here's an old N.Irish saying for ya...."wise up son"....lol

I agree 100%!
You can discuss what you think the best martial art is for street fighting. And what would make you the most prepared. But i think the bottom line is that a street fight is a all about the 'unexpected' Nobody can prepare for the unexpected. Only prepare in the hope that you may stand a better chance against the unexpected!

I think the main point here is - dont street fight. You will end up either seriously hurt, or you'll go too far without meaning to and go inside for GBH or manslaughter. In my profession I've seen both many times.
 
If you really must fight, then do MMA. Best for MMA? Learn BJJ for groundfighting. Learn Judo or freestyle wrestling for takedowns. And learn Muay Thai for stand up. Nothing is more powerful. If you want the ultimate MA combos then thats it there.
 
If you just want to learn a martial art then Judo all the way. Its a full sport which bodybuilders have an advantage in providing you learn the art properly. Its got a massive competition structure going up to the olympics and its something you can grade in to gauge progress.
 
If you really must streetfight, nothing more than the basics in martial arts will make any difference unless you're like a 5th Dan in my opinion. If you're hard, you're hard. If you're not, you're not. Its in your head. What you can take, how aggressive AND sensible you are and more importantly, if you're LUCKY!
 
Krav Maga has a great aim - Cause as much damage as quickly and efficiently as you can with minimal effort.
 
Another main point - Fitness. If you get winded you lose. If they run out of breath first, you win. But street fights dont normally go that long.
 
Stay sober for focus and if you really get in trouble and have to - Do what you have to do and whats justified as quick and hard as you can possibly do it. Take out the hardest one in whatever way you need to. Balls, throat, elbow, headbutt whatever. Then as soon as you're safe, stop. Or you'll invite prison.
 
For training - Get as strong as you can. Get as fit as you can. Find someone who can box/kick/knee/elbow, get them to teach you basics, then punch and kick the bag in circuits and make it as fast and hard as possible over time.
 
BUT - Just do judo or MMA mate. Much better.

mma is good as it encourperates a lot of elements of fighting but its not the b all and end all!!

try some ground moves on the street and you ll get some teeth sank into your leg/arm whatever!!  most moves can be got out of when you put your fingers in their eyes or bite them.  plus the gound is the absolute last place you wanna be.  there is no reason you wanna be willingly rolling with someone on the street.  get to feet soon as.  soccer kicks, stomps if there on the floor if you need to.

agree on judo  tho,and boxing/thai

If you're serious about street fighting, you need to get some underpants to wear over your trousers and a cape.