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2012/04/07 14:38:31 (permalink)

New to steroids, looking for help and advice

Hi all,
 
I am looking for some friendly help and advice. I am new to steroids, i have bought two 10ml bottles following advice from a friend who is already a user, the two types are:
 
-- Nandrodec 300 (Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg)
-- Tri-test 400 (Testosterone Enanthate 120mg, Testosterone Cypionate 120mg and Testosterone Decanoate 160mg)
 
(I hope i am allowed to put that in the forum)
 
I have also been to my local needle exchange and got all the bits; i really want to do this properly and safely. I haven't taken any of them yet.
 
My first question relates to bitch tits (gyno) and acne, this will be my first 'cycle', my hope for the steroids are to provide me with a great basis to build upon, i am a regular gym user but have a naturally small frame and am naturally not at all muscular, my hopes are that they provide me with a good basis to build upon, and an injection of motivation. So my first question is, how likely are bitch tits and acne from 1 cycle? i will probably be doing 2 injections per week, which will last about 5 weeks?
 
Secondly, the lady at the needle exchange said i should strongly look into PCT (post course therapy) in preparation for when my cycle ends. Is there anything specific i should be looking to get hold of? Could i get something from my doctor if possible? Or is there anything i can buy from the chemist?
 
Does anyone have any other advice or tips that may be helpful to a first time user?
 
I am really sorry to ask questions that some are probably sick of hearing, but any help would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks all.
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    cwire
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 14:47:20 (permalink)
    You mate isnt much of a mate if he is telling you to take this on your first cycle.
     
    If i was to advise you, you need to say:
    how old you are ?
    what you diet is like ?
    How long have you been training ?
    Whats you height and weight ?
    Here is a few links for you to read so your clued up a bit more.
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/articles-bodybuilding-steroids.aspx
     
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-mass-gaining.aspx
     
     
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:00:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the links, i've had a quick look but theres a lot to go through so i'll just give you the other info before i have a better look.
     
    --I am 21
    --My diet is healthy (i wont use the word good as that doesnt mean a lot really), however currently i am not a big eater, but have been advised to start eating as much carbs as i can force down, coupled with eggs etc for protein, i also do take protein shakes but feel i will need to buy some higher carb formulas to force in the carbs. When i start taking the stuff i will try to eat as much as i can, and supplement that with a shake maybe twice a day. To be honest any advice on diet would help too, it's embarrassing seeming so ignorant but thats why i'm here.
    --I have been goingto the gym propetly for about 6 months, about 3 or 4 times a week, altho again with the steroids i will boost this is beneficial.
    --I am about 5ft 9 and about 10 and a half stone.
     
    Thanks for your quick reply Cwire
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:07:23 (permalink)
    M8 lots of alarm bells ringing, your only 21 you have only been training for 6 months your diet isnt nailed.
     
    You really shouldnt be using gear yet. You need to sort your diet and you will be able to build muscle naturally.
     
    If your going to do gear what ever, just use the test 400 leave the deca alone. As for how much and PCT you need to research that info for your self.
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:09:54 (permalink)
    Welcome.
     
    Best advice?
     
    Forget gear and learn how to eat. Visit the diet forum for ideas. You have literally sh1t loads of natural progression available.

     
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:13:15 (permalink)
    x2
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:22:03 (permalink)
    If it's really not a great idea, i'm happy to leave them, my mind hasnt been made up and i havent got my heart set. I'd rather be healthy or risk free, rather than whatever the alternative might be..
     
    As a final question if you don't mind, why would the 400 be better than the deca if i did go ahead? (As it happens the lad who advised me, is also 21, shorter, but has a much better diet and more gym time)
     
    Altho from the replies i have received, and the fact i can give them back and get my money back as they are unopened (i'm friendly with the guy and he said this would be fine - unopened), i am shying away from the idea.. I don't want to damage myself unecessarily..
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:29:04 (permalink)
    To be honest i'd rather lose the money paid if i had to rather than do something that really isnt advisable (in steroid terms)...
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:33:40 (permalink)
    MRENIGMA

    x2

     
    X   3.  
     
    Also  when/if   you  do  start   do     NOT   use  a  needle  exchange  for  your  bits and pieces.  You   WILL    be  giving  the Government   proof   of  gear  use  and  the  'ammunition'   to   ban/reclassify   them.

    DEADLIFT..200k  x  5  
    SQUAT..150k  X 7 for 3 sets 
    BENCH...125 K X 5  for 3 sets 
      
    OVERHEAD PRESS..85K


    AVATAR  IS  Paul George.. NOT me... 
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:41:28 (permalink)
    Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


    1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


    2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


    3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


    4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


    The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


    For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

    Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
     
     
     
    There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

    Acne
    Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
    Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
    Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
    Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
    Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
    Possible liver stress with oral (alkylated/methylated) steroids
    Possible sexual dysfunction
    Testicle shrinkage
    Temporary infertility
    Changes in blood lipids
    Increases in blood pressure
    Oedema

     
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 15:59:00 (permalink)
    Point 2 has decided it, that makes perfect sence, my friend has even mentioned painful and easily pulled muscles and tendons.
     
    That in addition to the other points i was mostly unaware of in advance, i think i'll leave them and focus on more natural stuff, and try to better my diet, i know my diet is probably my biggest issue currently.
     
    Partyboy all i can say is thank you, if i could i'd buy you a beer or shake your hand or something.. really been a great help and it's really appreciated
     
    Thanks to everyone else who has input  (esp Cwire), great place this forum and i will now hit up the more natural related chats and topics
     
     
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    Re:New to steroids, looking for help and advice 2012/04/07 16:06:05 (permalink)
    Very level head on your shoulders mate. It's quite rare these days in a "want now, get now, pay later" society.
     
    Kudos to you.

     
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