OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE 10/11 MT THREAD

Xabi alonso is not world class,ok hes a good player but to say his world class is laughable.

Mascherano is a good solid holding midfield player,but again not considered world class,as he offers nothing else.

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On a brighter note for Liverpool fans i think Torres and Gerrard are world class players.

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mascherano is very good at what he does

he would be 1st choice def mid in  utds, arsenals and chelseas teams

neiljones


mascherano is very good at what he does

he would be 1st choice def mid in  utds, arsenals and chelseas teams

I think he would have a place in the MUFC and Arsenal sides but definitely not Chelsea who have possibly the strongest midfield in Europe.

With Hargreaves and Carrick fit i would think not,Hargreaves and Carrick offer more than just a holding midfielder.

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makaveli1971 1996


With Hargreaves and Carrick fit i would think not,Hargreaves and Carrick offer more than just a holding midfielder.

Sorry but that just raised a LOL.

im with teg about hargreaves and carrick who probably the most overrated players ever!

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Overrated in what way?

There both good balanced central midfield players,can breakdown attacks and help create attacks.

Was also just part of a double winning team,and havent played at all this season.

To win a double you have to have good holding midfield players.

And there the only 2 that played this position for united last year and with great effect it appears after winning the double.

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makaveli1971 1996


With Hargreaves and Carrick fit i would think not,Hargreaves and Carrick offer more than just a holding midfielder.

Sorry but that just raised a LOL.

When your in the first eleven for the best team in  europe you have to be a pretty good player dont you think?

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neiljones


mascherano is very good at what he does

he would be 1st choice def mid in  utds, arsenals and chelseas teams

Better than Essien? Really?
 
 

makaveli- yeah u do have t be good t play in the european chamnps team, but thats not t say there arent others out there better. mascherano would def get in utds tea,.. bar essien, i think masch is one of the best in the world at the job they are supposed to do! he isnt selected for his forward play, he is seleceted for the job he does and neither carrick or hargreaves do it as well as he does.

integra- i dont think he was behind fabregas was he?? ur right tho he dint start. my mistake. he was ahead of xavi tho.. iniesta and senna started most games im sure!

  

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makaveli1971 1996

Integra

makaveli1971 1996


With Hargreaves and Carrick fit i would think not,Hargreaves and Carrick offer more than just a holding midfielder.

Sorry but that just raised a LOL.

When your in the first eleven for the best team in  europe you have to be a pretty good player dont you think?

Not really. Phil Neville was a 1st team regular around the 99 era, he wasnt exactly Mr Football.

Neither of the above are as good as Mascherano. The fact that Gareth Barry is ahead of both in the england setup and LOLerpool rejected the chance to sign Barry - suggests that Mascherano is better.

mrmmonster


integra- i dont think he was behind fabregas was he??

Perhaps not, but as the tournament progressed the performances from Fabregas may have pushed him up the pecking order. He started the final and was replaced by Alonso.

Xavi was voted best player of Euro 2008.

For those slagging Masc off saying he has nothing going forward, that is true as that is the job he is given. Liverpool have enough attacking midfielders as it is. The job he does, he is one of the best in the world at IMO.

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Integra

makaveli1971 1996

Integra

makaveli1971 1996


With Hargreaves and Carrick fit i would think not,Hargreaves and Carrick offer more than just a holding midfielder.

Sorry but that just raised a LOL.

When your in the first eleven for the best team in  europe you have to be a pretty good player dont you think?

Not really. Phil Neville was a 1st team regular around the 99 era, he wasnt exactly Mr Football.

Neither of the above are as good as Mascherano. The fact that Gareth Barry is ahead of both in the england setup and LOLerpool rejected the chance to sign Barry - suggests that Mascherano is better.

Neville was not a first team regular,he made 28 apps in the league that season with most coming from the bench.

So because Barry has had a few good england performances that suggest mascherrano is better than hargreaves and carrick?

Its like us now saying crouch and defoe are better than owen, as the england pecking order suggests.

Hargreaves when fully fit is in the team before Barry everytime.

Also Liverpool wanted Barry but couldnt afford the extra money that villa were suggesting.

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i dont think hargreves will get back in to the starting 11 of england any more mate, barry has that role nicly tied up, he is better than the 2 man utd boys any way.

neiljones


i dont think hargreves will get back in to the starting 11 of england any more mate, barry has that role nicly tied up, he is better than the 2 man utd boys any way.

That remains to be seen,but as he was the best player at englands last major tournament i think that suggests when fully fit he will be in the starting 11

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we could afford barry.. rafa stated in the media he did not want t spend that much on a player he did not deem to be in that price range!!!

  

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I love the way people base whether or not a player is world class on their attacking attributes.  Or how people allways say this midfielder has scored such and such so he is the best player out of the two, without taking into account what their duties to the team are or what else they bring to the table.

makaveli1971 1996

neiljones


i dont think hargreves will get back in to the starting 11 of england any more mate, barry has that role nicly tied up, he is better than the 2 man utd boys any way.

That remains to be seen,but as he was the best player at englands last major tournament i think that suggests when fully fit he will be in the starting 11

Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

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so u are basing current team selection on a tournement 2/3 years ago?, I think if asked most people would go for barry in the def mid role for England.

makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

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For those slagging Masc off saying he has nothing going forward, that is true as that is the job he is given. Liverpool have enough attacking midfielders as it is. The job he does, he is one of the best in the world at IMO.

Chelsea have enough attacking midfielders,but theres times when u see Essien produce something magical going forward.

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makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

Sorry to dissapoint but the best england striker is Rooney.

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Rafa tell his players what to do specifically, Masc does as hes told.

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makaveli1971 1996

Red Man

makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

Sorry to dissapoint but the best england striker is Rooney.

Care to go into goal to game ratio? Recent scoring history, and prove that?

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Red Man

makaveli1971 1996

Red Man

makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

Sorry to dissapoint but the best england striker is Rooney.

Care to go into goal to game ratio? Recent scoring history, and prove that?

Rooney when fit is the first England striker on the teamsheet,that would suggest hes the best England striker.

I remember Gerrard not so long ago saying Wayne is our best player,not just best striker.

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He did not score in an england shirt for more or less a year.

Absolutely not, a striker that doesnt score many goals is hardly a good striker. Rooney is living of the name he built up as a kid. Hes nothing like that player anymore.
Michael Owen is by far the best current English striker. Why he isnt getting picked is a different story that i asume there is an issue behind....

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Red Man


Absolutely not, a striker that doesnt score many goals is hardly a good striker. Rooney is living of the name he built up as a kid. Hes nothing like that player anymore.
Michael Owen is by far the best current English striker. Why he isnt getting picked is a different story that i asume there is an issue behind....

You may suggest absolutely not,but the majority of the english public and the england manager agree that wayne is our best talent,and i think its clearly obvious he is.

Owen is not getting picked for the simple reason hes not playing well and is looking to be past it at the moment.

But like i said in a thread a while back if Owen wants his England place back he has to get out of Newcastle.

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makaveli1971 1996

Red Man

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makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

Sorry to dissapoint but the best england striker is Rooney.

Care to go into goal to game ratio? Recent scoring history, and prove that?

Rooney when fit is the first England striker on the teamsheet,that would suggest hes the best England striker.

ok fabio

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Hes nothing like that player anymore.

I think being part of a double winning team and winning the league the yr before would suggest different mate.

Rooney is a great player,he doesnt score the amount of goals we would all like him to score but hes still a great talent.

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makaveli1971 1996

Red Man

makaveli1971 1996

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makaveli1971 1996


Also if Barry was that good then he wouldnt be playing for Aston villa

Please tell me who is the best English striker and where he is playing atm?.... (and no its not Rooney)

That blows the Barry at Villa argument out of the water.

Sorry to dissapoint but the best england striker is Rooney.

Care to go into goal to game ratio? Recent scoring history, and prove that?

Rooney when fit is the first England striker on the teamsheet,that would suggest hes the best England striker.

ok fabio

I dont expect Liverpool fans to agree that Rooney is Englands best talent.

With the hatred you have for Everton and Man utd

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

The majority of the English public agree that Owen should be in the starting line up as he has THE best chance of scoring....
As for best talent, Walcott may now be taking over as Rooney simply hasnt delivered at international level. Walcott bagged a hat trick didnt he?

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makaveli1971 1996

Red Man


Hes nothing like that player anymore.

I think being part of a double winning team and winning the league the yr before would suggest different mate.

With some of the sh1te that are also in that team thats a silly point to make mate.
A winger got your goals, not your strikers....

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This debate is drifting but i wont disagree that Walcotts a fine talent and has the potential to be an England great,personally i would still have Owen in the team as he has a great england goal scoring record.

But it seems players are being picked for how they are performing at club level and i think we would all agree Owen is not doing it for Newcastle,but who is right now?

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Red Man

makaveli1971 1996

Red Man


Hes nothing like that player anymore.

I think being part of a double winning team and winning the league the yr before would suggest different mate.

With some of the sh1te that are also in that team thats a silly point to make mate.
A winger got your goals, not your strikers....

Glad you agree hes a winger as i had a scouse liverpool fan inside telling me how Ronaldo is a striker lol.

Theres no sh1te in uniteds team,because if there was then they wouldnt be playing for united,rooney is a class player playing for a class team.

Dont know why you find that so hard to accept.

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Iirc (and i could be wrong) Owen has scored 5 goals this season...
Hes playing in a poor side so i wouldnt expect miracle anyway. Owen will score goals and should be in the England team imo.
I dont know what but there is defo an underlying reason why Capello drops him. There was all that rumour about Owen only being into money now to fund his horse business. Plus the fact hes a cnut, and a horrible little tw@t to boot.

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I wont list names as its seems obvious you wont agree, every team has sh1te in it. Just because you play for Utd doesnt make you a class player.

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Red Man


I wont list names as its seems obvious you wont agree, every team has sh1te in it. Just because you play for Utd doesnt make you a class player.

No one is sh1te mate as they wouldnt be at such big clubs.

But to list some of uniteds not so good players i would say Fletcher Neville etc...

But they are hardly sh1te.

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