OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE 10/11 MT THREAD

makaveli1971 1996


I think it's due the fact certain Liverpool fans thought they were good enough to win the EPL under Benitez,and claimed if Gerrard and Torres played more games this year they could win it.

 

if they did then maybe we could

makaveli1971 1996
 

TBF Benitez has wasted millions over years 

 


Can you show who he has wasted millions on? or are you simply listening to sky sports pundits and the daily mail?

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john_cappa


integra is a man city fan

So why the hell is harping on about how sh1t Liverpool are doing so smugly when they've spent millions and millions and flopping around just as badly as Liverpool?

I think man city have spent more in the last 12 months than liverpool in the last 5 years.

Not that it really matters 

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jacked_fibres


LOLerpool and their manager ROFL Benetiz!

Both hilarious names.

I laughed.

I think though Liverpool will turn it around, having a fair few injury probs at moment which obviously doesnt help but they'll be up there towards the end i think, remember how strongly they finished last year, they wont win it though.

Papa Lazarou


Right now i'd be happy with him gone but he's been amazing before so things could change...

 
Amazing?....................... When?
 
(You fluked your way to the champions league trophy, ghost goals, Milan threw away a 3 goal lead, Gerrard flopping over in the penalty box like a beached whale just being harpooned)

naththebeast

jacked_fibres


LOLerpool and their manager ROFL Benetiz!

Both hilarious names.

I laughed.

I think though Liverpool will turn it around, having a fair few injury probs at moment which obviously doesnt help but they'll be up there towards the end i think, remember how strongly they finished last year, they wont win it though.

 

At the moment it is very difficult to look past chelsea for the title but its early days yet and they are enjoying a real purple patch.

Drogbas goal last night just showed how much confidence he has

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Chelsea were phenomenal at the first half of last season, in fact better than what they are now. Who scooped up that trophy in May though? Yeah, thought so...

CalderaVII

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Right now i'd be happy with him gone but he's been amazing before so things could change...

 
Amazing?....................... When?
 
(You fluked your way to the champions league trophy, ghost goals, Milan threw away a 3 goal lead, Gerrard flopping over in the penalty box like a beached whale just being harpooned)

Look you footballing prowess and prediction skills called a 5-1 victory to Man Utd.  Just because you support a team doesn’t make you a genius.  And your comments prove it even less so.
 
3-0 to 3-3 and then winning it has never been done before and won’t be done for a while I guess.   You are obviously blinded by your support of Man Utd to say it was fluke to come back from 3-0 down.  I’ve got quite a few Man Utd supporting friends and all of the said it was a game in which history had been made and had seen nothing like it. 

And against West Ham in 2006, despite all the bad luck we had we kept fighting and won it.
 
Anyway, lucky is the Mark Robins goal in 1990 that stopped Fergie getting sacked against Forest!

hahaa caldera talk some shi* fluke lmao! Your deluded mate. You should be praising us for giving you such a good match to watch, superb match for the neutral it was.

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Papa Lazarou

CalderaVII

Papa Lazarou


Right now i'd be happy with him gone but he's been amazing before so things could change...

Amazing?....................... When?

(You fluked your way to the champions league trophy, ghost goals, Milan threw away a 3 goal lead, Gerrard flopping over in the penalty box like a beached whale just being harpooned)

Look you footballing prowess and prediction skills called a 5-1 victory to Man Utd.  Just because you support a team doesn’t make you a genius.  And your comments prove it even less so.

3-0 to 3-3 and then winning it has never been done before and won’t be done for a while I guess.   You are obviously blinded by your support of Man Utd to say it was fluke to come back from 3-0 down.  I’ve got quite a few Man Utd supporting friends and all of the said it was a game in which history had been made and had seen nothing like it. 

And against West Ham in 2006, despite all the bad luck we had we kept fighting and won it.

Anyway, lucky is the Mark Robins goal in 1990 that stopped Fergie getting sacked against Forest!

hahaha lmao! Caldera was just burned by big papa.

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In order to try and dispell a few media fuelled myths that sections of our fanbase seem to have swollowed; here's the full list of players he's signed since he's been at the club (please read the summary below):
 
2004/05
 
£2m - Josemi: peanuts and was moved on in a swap for Kromkamp 18 months later
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez: part of the Michael Owen deal and filled a gap for a while. Peanuts.
£10.7m - Xabi Alonso: Massive success and sold for £30m+ in the summer when he wanted to leave
£6m - Luis Garcia: Massive success and sold to Athletico Madrid for £4m
Free - Pelligrino: Stop gap that allowed us to rest Sami for league games, benefitting us massively in Istanbul. Now on the coaching staff.
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes: Pretty much everyone made up when we signed him, top class, but never settled. Sold for £3m to Valencia.
£1m - Scott Carson: One the most highly rated young keepers around. Lost out through injury and signing of Reina when Dudek left the club. Sold for £3.25m.
 
Total bought: £27.5m
 
Free - Marcus Babbel: Released to Stuttgart at the end of his career.
£2.5m - Danny Murphy: Xabi Alonso signed to fill the role Murphy had in the side
£8.5m - Michael Owen: Wouldn't sign a new contract and sold before he left on a free. He's done nothing since that is a masterstroke with hindsight.
Free - Stephane Henchoz: Released to Celtic at the end of his career
 
Total sold: £11m
 
A total of £16.5m net spend in his first year at the club, with the vast majority of that being spent on Xabi Alonso.
 
2004/05 net spend: £16.5m

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2005/06
 
£240,000 - Antonio Barragan: Kid for the future. Sold for £675,000 to Deportivo a year later.
Free - Boudewijn Zenden: Signed for nothing and released for nothing. Did a job for us.
£6m - Pepe Reina: In the top 3 or 4 keepers in the world now and still young. One of Rafa's best signings.
£5.6m - Momo Sissoko: Brilliant for a few years, had that eye injury and sold to Juventus when his form dipped for £8.2m. Replaced by Mascherano.
£7m - Peter Crouch: One signing I did question but proved to be a great bit of business. Turned him from a laughing stock into an international. Sold for £11m.
Unkown - Miki Roque: Kid bought for peanuts. Sold again for an unknown amount.
£150,000 - Jack Hobbs: Highly rated 16yr old signed from Lincoln. Didn't progress as hoped and sold to Leicester for a reported £1.5m, although figure not confirmed.
£190,000 Besian Idrizaj: No idea who he is
£1.5m - Mark Gonzales: Cheap player to provide back up for the left wing. Sold for £3.5m to Real Betis.
Exchange - Paul Anderson: Swapped for John Welsh. Sold for £250,000.
Exchange - Jan Kromkamp: Swapped for Josemi. Later sold for £1.75m
£5.8m - Daniel Agger: Blighted by injuries but potentially top class and great signing for the money.
£250,000 - David Martin: Young reserve keeper
Free - Robbie Fowler: Pay as you play deal and no risk involved. Scored a few goals. Released in the summer.
 
Total bought: £26.73
 
Free - Vladimir Smicer: Out of contract and released. Played a small part in Istanbul.
£3.5m - El Hadji Diouf: The best £3.5m Rafa has ever recieved.
Free - Pellegrino: Filled the gap in the last 5 months of the previous season, not good enough and released.
£2m - Alou Diarra: Sold for £2m. One of Houllier's buys.
£2m - Antonio Nunez: Bought for £1.5m and now sold for £2m when didn't work out.
£6.5m - Milan Baros: A Houllier signing sold at a profit. He's done nothing since.
Exchange - John Welsh: Swapped for Paul Anderson
Exchange - Josemi: Swapped for Kronkamp. 
 
Total sold: £14m
 
2005/06 net spend: £12.73m

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2006/07
 
£6m - Craig Bellamy: Good signing and later sold for £7.5m to fund Torres deal.
£2m - Gabriel Palletta: Played a few league cup games, not good enough and sold for £1.2m
Free - Fabio Aurelio: Very injury prone but a good player when fit. Great signing for nothing.
£6.7m - Jermaine Pennant: Second choice after missing out on Alves. Ran his contract down and released. Attitude stank.
£9m - Dirk Kuyt: Has his critics, but has been brilliant for the money. 15 goals last season from wide and vital to the way we play. Ultimate pro. Great signing.
£200,000 - Nabil El Zhar: Few cameos last season and improving. Injured now. Promising still. Peanuts.
£750,000 - Astrit Ajdarevic: No idea who he is, and released on a free to Leicester.
Loan - Daniele Padelli: Reserve keeper, made one appearance and never seen again. 
Undisclosed - Jordy Brouwer: Young reserve.
£2.5m - Alvaro Arbeloa: Bargain signing, great service for a few years and sold for £3.5m when running his contract down.
Loan - Javier Mascherano: Rescued from West Ham, now one of the best defensive midfielders in the world and will probably be sold to Barca this summer for a massive profit. Paid £18.6m for him a year later at end of loan deal.
 
Total bought: £27.15m
 
£200,000 - Zak Whitbread: Youngster
Undisclosed - Bruno Cheyrou: Houllier flopped, sold for a reported £1.5m.
£3m - Fernando Morientes: Didn't work out. Cut his losses.
Free - Didi Hamann: Great servant, released at the end of his career
£675,000 - Antonio Barragan: Paid £240,000 for him.
£2m - Djimi Traore: Houllier signing and daylight robbery getting £2m for him
£500,000 - Neil Mellor: Signed as a kid and did a job for a while. Not good enough and released.
£1.75m - Jan Kromkamp: Nunez bought for £2m, swapped for him, who then sold for £1.75m. Stop gaps at minimal expense. 
£525,000 - Darren Potter: Acadamy lad, not good enough and robbery getting that much for him.
£1.5m - Steven Warnock: Probably sold to cheap and looks a mistake with hindsight. Good squad player.
Free - Salif Diao: The clearout of Houllier's flops continues.
 
Total sold: £10.15m 
 
2006/07 net spend: £17m

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2007/08
 
 
£5m - Lucas Leiva: Brazilian player of the year when signed. Could still go either way but a lot to prove.
Undisclosed - Krisztian Nemeth: Promising youngster currently out on loan in Athens.
£270,000 - Mikel San Jose Dominguez: Youngester plays in the reserves.
£1.8m - Sebastian Leto: Left winger signing but refused a work permit. Sold for £3m.
£20.2m - Fernando Torres: Bargain of the century
Free - Andriy Voronin: Free transfer to strengthen the squad. Plays well in Germany, garbage over here.
£5m - Yossi Benayoun: Took a while to settle but now a key player. Superb signing and an absolute bargain.
£11.5m - Ryan Babel: Highly rated dutch international. Absolute waste of space. Bad signing on reflection, but nobody knew how he'd turn out. Still got potential but he can't be arsed.
Undisclosed - Charles Itandje: Back up keeper signed for peanuts. Now released.
£1.3m - Emiliano Insua: Youngster who is now a full Argentinian international and massive potential. Bargain.
£6.5m - Martin Skrtel: Been off form this season so far, but brilliant last year and a good signing for the money.
£18.6m - Javier Mascherano: Completion of loan deal

Total bought: £70.7m

£2.7m – Florent Simana-Pongolle: Houllier youngster sold wanting first team football.
£100,000 – Daniel O’Donnell: Kid sold
Free – Jerzy Dudek: Released at end of contract
Free - Zenden: Released at end of contract
Free – Robbie Fowler: Released at end of contract
£4m – Luis Garcia: Wanted to return to Spain. Great service.
£6m – Djibril Cisse: Houllier signing sold to part fund Torres deal.
£7.5m – Craig Bellamy: Sold at profit to part fund Torres deal
£3.5m – Mark Gonzales: Signed for £1.5m and sold when didn’t work out.
£1.2m – Gabriel Palletta: Bought for £2m but never worked out. Young defender.
£3.5m – Chris Kirkland: Houllier signing. Injury prone and wanted first team football.
£8.2m – Momo Sissoko: Great signing, good service, sold when lost his form at a profit.

Total sold: £36.7m

2007/08 net spend: £34m

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If you Liverpool supporters were not constantly hallucinating on LSD to see your own shortcomings, you would have also realised my prediction of 5-1 stated was to be taken with a pinch of salt. My serious prediction of the game was 2-0 but unfortunately that result reversed.

Back to football talk, Liverpool are screwed and this season will be extra special now, extra trophies for us and watching your lot failing to qualify for the champs league.

2008/09

Free – Philip Degen: Garbage, but free.
£7m - Andrea Dossena: Italian international left back. Hasn’t settled. Bad signing.
£3.5m – Diego Cavalieri: Reserve keeper. Only played league cup games so far.
£1.5m – David N’gog: Young French striker. Promising.
£19m – Robbie Keane: Everyone made up when we signed him. Didn’t work out and sold back to Spurs for £16m.
£8m - Albert Riera: Spanish international. Started well but jury still out.

Total bought: £39m

£4m – John Arne Riise: Good servant but form tailed off. Snapped their hands off at £4m.
Free – Harry Kewell: Harry who?
Undisclosed – Anthony Le Tallec: Houllier youngster finally released. Fee not known.
£11m – Peter Crouch: Laughing stock bought for £7m. Great signing. Wanted first team football.
£2.25m – Danny Guthrie: Youngster from Acadamy thought not good enough. 
£3.25m – Scott Carson: Injury prone and Reina now first choice. Sold at profit.
Undisclosed – Steve Finnan: Sold for a fee believed to be £1m
£16m – Robbie Keane: Didn’t work out. 
Undisclosed – Jack Hobbs: Young defender that didn’t progress. Sold for believed to £1.5m.

Total sold: £36.5m

2008/09 net spend: £2.5m

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2009/10

£17.5m – Glen Johnson: Big fee, but has been brilliant so far.
£17.1m - Alberto Aquilani: Injured so far but meant to be a class act. Highly rated in Italy.
£2m – Sotirios Kyrgiakos: Last minute signing to fill Hyypia’s shoes. Only money we had to spend.
£160,000 – Daniel Ayala: Young defender, played a few times this season and looked promising.

Total bought: £36.76m

£250,000 – Paul Anderson: Youngster that didn’t progess.
Free – Jermaine Pennant: Out of contract. Poor signing.
Free – Miki Roque: No idea who he is. Bought for peanuts.
£3m – Sebastian Leto: Signed for £1.8m but didn’t get a work permit. Had to sell.
£3.5m – Alvaro Arbeloa: Wanted to leave and out of contract in the summer.
£30m – Xabi Alonso: Wanted to leave. Bought for £10.7m. Great signing.

Total sold: £36.75m

2009/10 net spend: £10,000


Total Players Bought: £228,976,000
Total Players Sold: £145,100,000

Total Net Spend: £83,876,000

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So, that’s a total spend of just over £83m in 5 years at the club. An average of £16.6m a year.

The vast majority of his signings have been sold at profit, or if still at the club, are worth a lot more than we paid for them. Exceptions being Babel and Dossena, but we’ll still get decent fees for them when sold as they’re full internationals.

A lot of the signings above have been stepping stones in rebuilding the squad, gradually improving it by replacing players with better ones. Our league positions over the past 5 years and the improvement in our league positions and points totals show the progression.

2004/05: Finished 5th – 58 pts
2005/06: Finished 3rd – 82 pts
2006/07: Finished 3rd – 68 pts
2007/08: Finished 4th – 76 pts
2008/09: Finished 2nd – 86 pts


Rafa Benitez’ record with signings at the top end of the market is nothing short of brilliant. Robbie Keane being the only flop, but he was sold 6 months later and only a small financial hit taken on that mistake. Rick Parry agreed the fee for buying him in the first place, and common knowledge Rafa wasn’t happy with it; feeling it was far too high.

Where has this myth come from that he’s wasted money on ****e players? Have a look through the lists above and try to point them out. There isn’t many.

The ones that haven’t worked out he’s moved on, and not very often has he made a financial loss on them.

The squad is now worth a hell of a lot more than the one he inherited, and that £83m net spend over 5 years is easily offset by the increased value of the squad. He’d recoup nearly all of that through the sale of Torres alone! 

He’s worked absolute wonders with the money he’s had to spend. Then take into account the massive amounts of money he’s self generated by reaching the latter stages of the CL every season. Two final appearances, one win. That £83m he’s spent he’s earned the right to spend.

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Alright cappa, no need to highlight how bad your club is at buying players.

Here's one for you.

Cristiano Ronaldo £12million. Sold for £80 million.

And when comparing it to what United have spent in the same period is flawed, as they already had a title winning squad and all the foundations in place. They weren’t rebuilding from scratch like we were. It also doesn’t take into account their massive wage bill.

When comparing to Chelsea, they spent all their money before Rafa came to the club and just topping up an already established squad.

Man City have spent more than double in the past 12 months than Rafa Benitez has in his 5 year reign. 

Do some people still want to get rid of him? If so, you’ve been listening to Martin Tyler's Monkey and the hairy-handed halfwit for too much and unable to look at the facts yourself to form an opinion.

Every manager makes tactical mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes in the transfer market. Despite what the press seem to think; Rafael Benitez appears to make less mistakes than most.

We’re expected to win the league and European Cup on a budget and wage bill that is entitled to finish 4th or 5th in the league. We’ve been overachieving under Rafael Benitez, not underachieving.

I’m not even going to mention the environment he’s working in under them two clowns.

You’ll only miss him when he’s gone…

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2004/05: Finished 5th – 58 pts
2005/06: Finished 3rd – 82 pts
2006/07: Finished 3rd – 68 pts
2007/08: Finished 4th – 76 pts
2008/09: Finished 2nd – 86 pts

 

the press don't give a **** that he had to replace 30 players from the houllier era

they dont give a **** that about 30 of those 70 signings were for the youth/reserves

they don't give a **** that the net spend is only 80m

they don't give a **** that our squad has the fifth highest wages(maybe sixth because Arsenals wage bill might be higher) or the fifth highest squad cost






Wish someone like Toney Barrett would stick this in the mail http://tomkinstimes.com/2009/10/fao-open-minded-football-journalists/ but doubt his editors would give a **** about dispelling any of the bollocks. Tomkins added up the cost of every player still at the clubs in the league and

Man City - £270m
Chelsea - £240m
Man Utd - £219m
Spurs - £202m
Liverpool - £159m
Arsenal - £90m(but them players like merida are noted as free but they have to pay barca £3.2m for him and im sure fabregas cost them a few million compo but well worth it)

Im sure Sunderland are knocking on our door as well




Source 
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=249365.0 

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CalderaVII


Cristiano Ronaldo £12million. Sold for £80 million.

what are you talking about? what has united selling ronaldo got to do with the players we bought and sold?

Im simply helping to dismiss the myth of rafas poor transfer dealings

Why dont you go talk politics somewhere like a good little boy

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john_cappa

what are you talking about?

Im simply helping to dismiss the myth of his poor transfer dealings

Why dont you go talk politics somewhere like a good little boy

 
You can dismiss the myth all you like, truth is his transfers have barely won't you sweet FA.

Why are you so smug about it?  You happen to support the club?  Why does that make you a better person mate?

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Why are you so smug about it?  You happen to support the club?  Why does that make you a better person mate?

its becasue he has the mentality of a 12 year old

na na na na naaaaaaa na na na na naaaaaaa type stuff lol

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LOL ^^ Sore losers. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be given it back twice as bad, you just don't get that opportunity. Get the hankies out tonight boys, you're going to be in for a ride if you're sobbing already.

Yawn.  Yes we celebrate when we win, but endless jibes are boring.

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Everytime I come to this topic it's non-stop boring Liverpool talk, you're easy targets.

CalderaVII


Everytime I come to this topic it's non-stop boring Liverpool talk, you're easy targets.

and your input to the thread makes it soo sooooo soooooooooo exciting! lol

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Funnily enough we support Liverpool so we talk about, crazily enough, Liverpool.

Its likes taking the p1ss out of people taking AAS and question why people are people talking about AAS  in the TAOS section - bit daft really.

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integra is a man city fan

So why the hell is harping on about how sh1t Liverpool are doing so smugly when they've spent millions and millions and flopping around just as badly as Liverpool?

How are City flopping around? They have set themselves a top 6 target and are sitting 4th. Underperforming yet they are 2 places above LOLerpool with a game in hand unless I am mistaken.
 
LOLerpool under ROFL are a joke of a club. Title challenge indeed!

lol ^^

Man City have impressed me a lot this season. Their squad is definitley top 4 worthy, I am confident in saying that they will meet expectations and finish 4th this season, albeit taking Liverpool's place.

Not only is their fielded 11 strong but they have quality plays any team would want on the bench.

I think City may contend for a top 6 place but I dont think they will have the staying power to break the top 4 this year.

Over the next few years unless LOLerpool have some major investment and get rid of Benitez they are going to find themselves sinking rapidly.

Especially after Gerrard and Carragher retire.

Didn't Chelski scoot to the top of the league when they were bank rolled?  Just because they said they want top 6 doesn't mean its value for money!  And I suppose 0-0 against Brum, 1-1 against Wigan, 1-1 against Fulham etc are good results?

Liverpool are doing poorly no doubt, but get your head out of your own ar$e, you aren't doing much better - FFS you are 1 point ahead.   Big deal!

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Love it when fans of big clubs trundle out the 'bankroll' line of argument. Especially from the same fans who were ejaculating over each other when newspapers ran stories of the Dubai group takeover rumours. Not to mention how the Americans were going to pound their rivals into the ground with their financial clout.

City are doing MUCH better than LOLerpool in terms of expectation levels.

and yes, the draws are actually very good results. These would be games that we would have lost last season.

Integra


Love it when fans of big clubs trundle out the 'bankroll' line of argument. Especially from the same fans who were ejaculating over each other when newspapers ran stories of the Dubai group takeover rumours. Not to mention how the Americans were going to pound their rivals into the ground with their financial clout.

City are doing MUCH better than LOLerpool in terms of expectation levels.

Says you.

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And the bankrolled argument was to show clubs could perform much better than you have.  Of course it would be great if we were and had the chance to target some decent £20m+ players for the midfield and upfront.

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Integra


Love it when fans of big clubs trundle out the 'bankroll' line of argument. Especially from the same fans who were ejaculating over each other when newspapers ran stories of the Dubai group takeover rumours. Not to mention how the Americans were going to pound their rivals into the ground with their financial clout.

City are doing MUCH better than LOLerpool in terms of expectation levels.

Says you.

 
Says most people actually.
 
City expected to push for a top 4 place? Only a minority of City fans would say yes. Therefore 4th place would be a remarkable achievement for a consistently midtable team.
 
LOLerpool expected to challenge for major honours - they are out of the title race and (fingers crossed) out of the Champions League. Their season will be over before Christmas unless they get their act together.
 
Its usually Arsenal that are the LOLing stock, but they have handed the gauntlet to LOLerpool.

Who is most people? You, Caldera and Mac?

And why remarkable?  Chelski were constantly midtable and look where they are now and have been for years now.

Anyway, you support Man Sh1tty so leave LOLerpool alone

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