OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE 10/11 MT THREAD

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Integra

makaveli1971 1996

Integra

makaveli1971 1996


Its true though,Barry has had a few good England performances and thats why hes still in the team as there is not alot of competetion for the defensive midfield position in the England side at the moment.

I honestly do think a fully fit Hargreaves is better than Barry and i think it will be proved if Hargreaves gets back to full fitness,Barry is a good average player thats why he has played for villa for most of his career,also hes probly playing the best football of his career right now.

I assume you also think Alan Shearer was an average striker.

With the kill mm??

Bit of a silly comparison integra,Shearer was always first choice for England,won how many caps to Barrys? Was top scorer in the prem for a number of seasons,and has scored the most goals in the prem since it started.

Shearer won a prem league and came 2nd in a prem league and was runner up twice in domestic cups,won pfa player of the year.....need i go on

And of course he wasnt an average striker.A world class 1 imo

Now for Barry mmmmm.......

It is a straightforward comparison.

"Barry is a good average player thats why he has played for villa for most of his career" means that any player who does not play for Arsenal/MUFC/Chelsea/Lolerpool must be an average player.

Your arguments are bordering on the insane. Barry has been the most consistent English midfielder behind Gerrard and Lampard for the last 2 seasons. Anyone who watches the EPL on a regular basis will agree with this. He is not flavour of the month, he is the best midfielder we have after Gerrard and Lampard as proved by his performances over the last two seasons.

Hargreaves had one or two good games for england under Sven and all of a sudden he is world class. What is interesting is that prior to that tournament the majority of fans and press were calling him a donkey and questioning Sven's wisdom in selecting him as his performances were by and large, pants.

Football fans are a fickle bunch. Man United fans even more so.

I look forward to you moving the goalposts again.

Its a ridiculous comparison for the reasons i stated,obviously Blackburn were the best team in 95 and Newcastle were one of the big 4 when they were coming 2nd.

Hargreaves has not only played for 1 big club hes played for another massive club in Bayern Munich and won ECL and bundesliga titles with them as well as united.

Barry has proved himself in what turned out to be worthless qualifiers,so he has not proved himself enough to be in front of Hargreaves etc....,come world cup 2010 Barry will do well to keep his place in the squad let alone the team.

I cant see someone who you are labelling as a donkey playing for 2 of the biggest clubs in europe.
 
 

Barry will be 29 by the 2010 world cup, i suppose that means he'll be over the hill by then does it??

And thats IF England successfully qualify for the  finals.

They turned out to be worthless qualifiers but they weren't at the time were they??

Barry is a better all round player than Hargreaves, he's proved this both at club and international level over the past few years.

3 of the top 4 clubs would love to have Barry in their squad, Liverpool had bids rejected for him, Arsene Wenger said he's interested in signing him, Chelsea have been strongly linked with him as cover for the injured Essien.

I think the majority would agree that Man Utd paid over the odds for both Carrick and Hargreaves.

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Barry has proved himself in what turned out to be worthless qualifiers,so he has not proved himself enough to be in front of Hargreaves etc....,come world cup 2010 Barry will do well to keep his place in the squad let alone the team.

Despite being the most consistent midfielder after Gerrard/Lampard over the last two seasons? I think not.

If Barry maintains his form - and as he has been excellent for two years now so there is no reason why he shouldnt - there is no way Carrick or Hargreaves will get a look in.

Well it remains to be seen,but i would have money on him not being in the team come 2010 world cup which we should qualify for.

He has alot to prove yet,thats why at the moment his place is only temporary.

Player              Carrick       Barry
Appearances          25          31
Goals                       1           5
Shots On Target       5            7
Shots Off Target      9           12
Shooting Accuracy     36%      37%
Assists                        1           5
Total Passes          1,228      1,223
Pass Completion        83%       75%
Tackles Made            73         90
Tackles Won             82%        82%
Blocks                          7           11
Clearances              52           71
Interceptions          32            34
Fouls                  10               58
Yellow Cards            1          5

last seasons prem league game stats

makaveli1971 1996


Well it remains to be seen,but i would have money on him not being in the team come 2010 world cup which we should qualify for.

He has alot to prove yet,thats why at the moment his place is only temporary.

He has nothing to prove, he is first choice for England and has been better than Hargreaves and Carrick for the last two seasons.

Its as simple as that.

He has not exactly done alot for England,hasnt played a major and he has not achieved nothing great in his career,for what Hargreaves has played i would say his been better,and hes not really been at full fitness for the last yr.

Hargreaves got stick because he was playing for Bayern Munich when first picked for England.Nobody really knew him as we don't get to see much in the way of German football here.

Barry plays for an 'unfashionable' team.Meaning one outside the top 4.

Both players will always be classed behind Lampard and Gerrard as they have a top 4 team background and most armchair fans have trouble getting their head around the fact that there are more teams in England that Man U,Arsenal,Liverpool and Chelsea.

If a player makes it from another team they tend to get questioned on their inclusion.

makaveli1971 1996


He has not exactly done alot for England,hasnt played a major and he has not achieved nothing great in his career,for what Hargreaves has played i would say his been better,and hes not really been at full fitness for the last yr.

So you are saying that Hargreaves played a few good games for England and deserves to be first choice, while Barry has had a few good games and does not deserve to be first choice.

I wonder which one plays for Manchester United Football Club.........

What exactly has Hargreaves done for England apart from a brave performance against Portugal, which England lost?

The man utd thing is getting silly,it has nothing to do with that,they have both probly given the same for England accept Hargreaves has played in major tournaments.

But when it comes to club level thats where Hargreaves is on another level and i think that suggests he will be first choice over Barry when hes back to full fitness.

how is hargreaves on another level in club games?? barry is club caprtain, is guarenteed to get u at least 10 goals a season and is the drivin force behind that club...hargreaves fits in well to an already well oiled side..hargreaves has 4-5 world class players around him at all times when he plays, and possibly the best player in the world.. barry shoulders responsibility for that club ben captain, scores very often and creates quite a lot of goals too... hargreaves has had things go his way more interms of bein signed by UTD at a time when he had played 2 good games for england. as said above, barry has recently come into his own. he's been average for a while, and in the last 2 yrs he's definately shown some international class!!one of the most consistent performers in the league... dont see how hargreaves has proven more at club stage! so what he's won more!! he's been at clubs which win things.. doesnt mean he is a better player!! UTD paid massively over the odds for carrick and hargreaves, and hargreaves was signed based on the 2 good games he gave england in the WC..!!
makaveli- explain how hargreaves is on another level in terms of club football without referring to the club he plays for! wat has he done for UTD?? how much of an effect does he have on their game? compared to barry?

sky sports have just had somethin interestin on.. some stats-
basically boiled down to-
england lose less when gerrard plays and lampard doesnt, and lose more when gerrard doesnt play and lampard does.
obviously we win more when gerrard plays and lamps doesnt, and lose less when its the other way around. and england also score more when gerrard plays and lamps doesnt than when its the other way around!
statistically.. england are a better side when gerrard plays.. gerrard and barry for the england CM places!!!

Pretty simple mate Hargreaves has played for 2 of the biggest clubs in europe and Barry has played for villa his whole career.

Hargreaves has helped united and bayern to domestic titles and ECLs,didnt see no one except Liverpool interested in Barry.

If he was that good then he would have had some big european clubs after him.

Real madrid were also trying to sign Hargreaves.

so i think all these big clubs must be seeing something pretty special to want to sign him.

Barry is playing well for England at the moment and deserves his place in the team right now,but when Hargreaves is back to full fitness he will prove why he has played for these big clubs and win his place back.
 
Barry is just temporary imo,i really cant see him featuring at a big tournament.

certain clubs see certain things in payers that would suit their play!!
doesnt always mean that the best clubs in the world will only go for what people cal the best players in thre world.. sounds daft but ill try explain better.
UTD also bought carrick. is he one of the best players in the country?no! is he a regukar international? no... but fergie saw somethin which would suit UTD.. same wi hargreaves.. doesnt matter if real wanted him too. and yeah barry was also linked wi arsenal and chelsea. and like i said, he has only just come into his own, he wasnt half as good 3-4 yrs ago as he is now.. doesnt matter if he has been at villa his whole life!

This is a genuine question, how often does Hargreaves play for Utd? Is he a first team regular? As in, is his name always on the starting line up when everyone is fit?

Hargreaves hasnt much else going for him apart from running around like a mad man.

If Hargreaves was in the "average" Villa side for the last 2 years, he would not of come close to matching Barry's consistency and class over the last 2 years.

If Barry had of joined a top 4 side, which he still may do, i feel he will only improve further.

Comparing Hargreaves medal collection to Barrys is retarded, its like comparing John O'Shea's to Matt Le Tissier.

Why wasnt Hargreaves in instead of Barry last season when both were fully fit?

",didnt see no one except Liverpool interested in Barry."

Open your eyes and ears then, Arsenal were interested too.

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shane278

Comparing Hargreaves medal collection to Barrys is retarded, its like comparing John O'Shea's to Matt Le Tissier.

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shane278



",didnt see no one except Liverpool interested in Barry."

Open your eyes and ears then, Arsenal were interested too.

So interested they didnt make a bid.

shane278


Hargreaves hasnt much else going for him apart from running around like a mad man.

Trying telling Hitzfeld and Fegie that.