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Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 16 November 2009 20:51 ( #1 )
What's the best pro-hormone alternative to Anavar for a cutting cycle?


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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 16 November 2009 22:46 ( #2 )
many say cynostane is like anavar
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 18 November 2009 20:55 ( #3 )
many?

Only a few, from what i've read
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 18 November 2009 21:11 ( #4 )
Chemically I have no idea, but a few guys I have spoken to have likened EPI to anvar with respect of gains.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 18 November 2009 23:19 ( #5 )
not close, IME
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 19 November 2009 07:49 ( #6 )
Huuuummmm I suppose this is a open question in that this is simpley down to peoples opinions. The above mentioned opinion IRRC was from Meat who is an advanced user of all AAS so for me is reason enough to take it as good info seeing as I have not used Anvar.

Darri what would you say (if anything) is close to Anvar fella OTC wise from experiance?
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 19 November 2009 10:32 ( #7 )
I would say from running cynostane and seeing it logged that it is qualitatively similar to anavar by which I mean:

1. Low toxicity
2. High anabolic to androgenic ratio
3. Absence of androgenic side effects and estrogen conversion
4. Good strength building effects despite dieting

Both would be suitable for stacking with an androgen if looking for mass, and both have significant repartitioning properties.


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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 19 November 2009 22:34 ( #8 )
M4OHN was the closest compound to anavar, but this was discontinued a long time ago. 

Nothing comes close to Var, IME.

Cynostane seems like it may be somewhat similar, but feedback is not very plentiful as it was pulled from the US market less than a month after being introduced
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 19 November 2009 23:36 ( #9 )
Funny enough I still have an old designer supps bottle of M4OHN if you are interested but it may be past the sell by date by now!

As for cynostane, I have been on it for 10 days myself and the feedback from the testers is all very similar wrt its qualities.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 20 November 2009 14:42 ( #10 )
SD is a very good for a cutting cycle!

I've had a very interessting conversation with Matt Cahill about the dosage, cycle length and PCT for SD. (btw. Matt Cahill is the person who brought SD to the market.)

If you want i can go into detail
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 20 November 2009 20:40 ( #11 )
If you could.......
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 21 November 2009 10:29 ( #12 )
He recommends a cycle length no longer then 28 days at the very most. (nothing new to me)
The most interesting part is Dosage and PCT. See the quote below: (1 cap = 10mg)

Matt Cahill

SD I would start at 4 caps per day for the first 2 days, then drop down to 3 caps for the next 4 days then use 2 caps eeveryday till the last day of the cycle. I would use an OTC PCT, something like 6bromo and ACTX with either Liver Longer or high dose ALA and a good anti oxidant. I would run the pct for 3 weeks then repeat the cycle.


Why would you frontload the SD and is an OTC PCT really enough?

Matt Cahill

To get the blood full saturated with the hormone as fast as possible.

Its all Ive used in the past 4 years. An OTC AI (like 6bromo or atd) and ACTX has always worked well for me. I never did well with Nolva and used to use arimidex or letrozole until I started making atd and 6bromo. Ive used quadruple the reccomended dose of both. It wrecked my sex drive but got rid of my gyno until I started messing around with Avodart.

When using it for PCT i start with 3 caps of each for the first 3 days, then 2 caps for 4 days, then 1 cap for 3 days and then 1 cap eod for 3 more weeks of PCT. ACTX i start at 8 caps for the first week and then 6 a day straight through till 10 days after the last AI dose.


BTW. I don't recommend OTC PCT.

Jay
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 21 November 2009 20:18 ( #13 )
Daari


M4OHN was the closest compound to anavar, but this was discontinued a long time ago. 

Nothing comes close to Var, IME.

Cynostane seems like it may be somewhat similar, but feedback is not very plentiful as it was pulled from the US market less than a month after being introduced


Cheers for your input fella its always good to hear your point of view.
 
I think next year rather than going off what Iv read I may well have to give var a try to see what I think myself.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 21 November 2009 21:53 ( #14 )
you won't be dissappointed, excellent med, IMO
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 22 November 2009 15:13 ( #15 )
http://www.muscletalk.c...trition-m3671084-p4.aspx

http://www.uk-muscle.co...ngth-logs-cynostane.html

Daari, worth reading those logs to give you a better idea on Cynostane's effects. I would actually say it has more potent recomping effects than anavar but remember these logs are all at about 2 weeks use only so we need to run it til then end to see the final results.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 22 November 2009 23:15 ( #16 )
Interesting reads.  Pity both logs are sponsored though.

It seems to be a novel compound, but the fact that it offers little in the strength department means it is not even close to anavar in terms of effects.  Seems somewhat similar in terms of body recomping though.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 22 November 2009 23:21 ( #17 )
I can pull up other logs that are not sponsored but again have to stress that these logs showed results at 2 weeks only.

For what it is worth I am gaining strength while losing bodyfat having been on cynostane for 2 weeks. I will say though that I have an advantage when it comes to training compared to most. All the same the results are notable. Fwiw, Anavar was not a strong strength boosting drug for me, unless dosed at a high level of 50mg. At that point, it became detrimental to my general mood which is why I long ago stopped taking AAS.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 22 November 2009 23:35 ( #18 )
If one bottle is 2 weeks, then a 4-6 weeks cycle would be rather pricey, not like anavar is cheap though - lol.

50mg of 'var is considered the lower end of norm if ran solo.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 23 November 2009 20:54 ( #19 )
personally i find epi and var comparable in terms of strength gains and recomping effects, m4ohn was nothing like it for me,again we are all different!

mdien was also close ime.
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Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? - 23 November 2009 21:15 ( #20 )
what dose of epi compared to what dose of 'var, IYO?
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