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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 18:52


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If you had your diet in order you wouldn't need it.

I'm on <150g carbs a day and i function fine in the gym.

The longer you cut on your current intake the more likely you are to just end up skinny-fat. Your choice though.


How im losing fat and water weight atm
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 18:53
Water weight is simple enough, reduce your carbs you lose water.

But how do you know what you're losing is water and fat, and not water, fat and muscle?
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 18:55


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Water weight is simple enough, reduce your carbs you lose water.

But how do you know what you're losing is water and fat, and not water, fat and muscle?


yeah true but im getting 180g a day now so it saves muscle casue im getting 1g protein per 1lb bodyweight.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 18:56
I've offered my help but you don't seem to be taking heed, good luck with your cut.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 19:02


ORIGINAL: Ak_88

I've offered my help but you don't seem to be taking heed, good luck with your cut.


Yeah mate fair enough you said more protein ive took that on board, you said no need for supressant i said yeah your right i dont need it yet anyway, i took that aboard.

I dont see what else that you have said and i said no ?
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 19:07
Your approach doesn't seem structured for someone looking to lose fat, very sporadic diet and no cardio.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 19:09


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Your approach doesn't seem structured for someone looking to lose fat, very sporadic diet and no cardio.


no cardio needed mate, as im doing low cals sure, im only on 1800 max a day man
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 19:12
I'm on little more than 2000 and i'm doing cardio everyday.

You NEED it.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 19:53
you dont need cardio

it would be alot better with it

but it is not essential

your results will be better IMO with 3-5 sessions of 45-50 min am cardio
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 20:31


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I'm on little more than 2000 and i'm doing cardio everyday.

You NEED it.


Yeah so your saying up my calories to 2000 then do cardio, thats not a problem

Scenario 1 - Say i stuck to 1800 cals with no cardio

Scenario 2 - Upped my calories to 2000 did cardio say i burned 200 calories a day = 1800 calories anyway

Will i lose more weight on Scernario 2 than 1 casue i do cardio? if not what benefits?
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 10 May 2008 20:32
I have done cardio twice this week already btw
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 00:41


ORIGINAL: Icemansoldier



ORIGINAL: Ak_88

I'm on little more than 2000 and i'm doing cardio everyday.

You NEED it.


Yeah so your saying up my calories to 2000 then do cardio, thats not a problem

Scenario 1 - Say i stuck to 1800 cals with no cardio

Scenario 2 - Upped my calories to 2000 did cardio say i burned 200 calories a day = 1800 calories anyway

Will i lose more weight on Scernario 2 than 1 casue i do cardio? if not what benefits?


yes you will lose more on scenario 2. have a google of EPOC for a start.

your metabolism will be firing after cardio. you'll be fitter and will be able to have a little extra in terms of cals/nutrients that you need and are currently lacking.

as said i would adjust your diet, bulk and still add cardio, this will add lbm and yet hold the fat of, simply because you're in the honeymoon period.

take advantage of it. aim to add as much mass now and change your body composition.

also some of your food choics are woeful;

waffles
tracker bar for breakfast
chicken goujons

not good healthy foods.

a complete overhaul is needed imo, get the basics right before getting fancy with supps like eph/hyperdrive. put the hard work in then bring the supps in to help you along, not do the work for you.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 10:06
Why u got a fake baby milo hoody?
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 10:10
LOL, does anyone here remember Impreza?

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

etc.

How this journal has reached 8 pages is astounding, Iceman you are wasting your time with this 'cut'

You have no mass to reveal underneath. Dropping your cals by so much and adding all this cardio is going to be counterproductive, as your diet is shyte, frankly. IMO, you will lose anything that you do actually have underneath your bf.

Take the advice we gave you on the first/second pages and sort your diet & training out. Stop fannying about with cutting!
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 11:01
here you are mate what i use, buy 4-5 of these http://www.myprotein.co.uk/mp-max/foods/liquid-egg-whites/

have 2 eggs and a load of this, bit of milk, scrabled on toast or omllette with onion, and cut up slices of ham.

have one in morning breakfast and one at about 8-9pm. well high in protein and lowish cals, that help you put some size on
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 12:23


ORIGINAL: sparkymcg

Why u got a fake baby milo hoody?


very silly question, look at what you just wrote
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 12:27

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ORIGINAL: Icemansoldier



ORIGINAL: Ak_88

I'm on little more than 2000 and i'm doing cardio everyday.

You NEED it.


Yeah so your saying up my calories to 2000 then do cardio, thats not a problem

Scenario 1 - Say i stuck to 1800 cals with no cardio

Scenario 2 - Upped my calories to 2000 did cardio say i burned 200 calories a day = 1800 calories anyway

Will i lose more weight on Scernario 2 than 1 casue i do cardio? if not what benefits?


yes you will lose more on scenario 2. have a google of EPOC for a start.

your metabolism will be firing after cardio. you'll be fitter and will be able to have a little extra in terms of cals/nutrients that you need and are currently lacking.

as said i would adjust your diet, bulk and still add cardio, this will add lbm and yet hold the fat of, simply because you're in the honeymoon period.

take advantage of it. aim to add as much mass now and change your body composition.

also some of your food choics are woeful;

waffles
tracker bar for breakfast
chicken goujons

not good healthy foods.

a complete overhaul is needed imo, get the basics right before getting fancy with supps like eph/hyperdrive. put the hard work in then bring the supps in to help you along, not do the work for you.


yeah cheers mate, yeah diet is shi* im working on it, as for the tracker bar that was just something to keep me going until break time as i would of missed the bus had i of got breaky a home, no excuse with the waffles and goujons though.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 12:28

ORIGINAL: Firearm

LOL, does anyone here remember Impreza?

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

*insert helpful advice quote from Marmite here*
Impreza: Yeah you're right, but...

etc.

How this journal has reached 8 pages is astounding, Iceman you are wasting your time with this 'cut'

You have no mass to reveal underneath. Dropping your cals by so much and adding all this cardio is going to be counterproductive, as your diet is shyte, frankly. IMO, you will lose anything that you do actually have underneath your bf.

Take the advice we gave you on the first/second pages and sort your diet & training out. Stop fannying about with cutting!


I just cant change what i eat within a few days, i do it gradually over a period of a week or so, as i have to buy new stuff from shops to replace crap i eat.

I really dont feel ive wasted my week cutting tbh, my measurements of muscle biceps, etc are still the same, and im very happy that ive lost half an inch to my waste although it some of it is water.
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 18:34

ORIGINAL: beefycol

here you are mate what i use, buy 4-5 of these http://www.myprotein.co.uk/mp-max/foods/liquid-egg-whites/

have 2 eggs and a load of this, bit of milk, scrabled on toast or omllette with onion, and cut up slices of ham.

have one in morning breakfast and one at about 8-9pm. well high in protein and lowish cals, that help you put some size on


Yeah thanks beefy i might just drink this stuff from the bottle, would this stuff be a little more pleasant to drink than normal raw egg whites ?

Very good source of protein too, great tip beefy

I take it they mean 1kg = 1litre (1000ml)
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RE: SHO'S AKA ICEMAN'S 1ST EVER CUT....... - 11 May 2008 19:19
Yeah i might buy a few bottles tonight casue its 8.99 shipping for 1kg-29kg Its says it can be stored at room temp for 5 months, it will be ok in the fridge for 5 months too them will it, i will use it before then but how long would they last in the fridge un-opened as i will prob put all my bottles in the fridge?
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