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2012/05/07 11:44:38 (permalink)

Superdrol and Epistane cycle

whats the opinions on here of a S Drol stacked with epistane cycle ? I was thinking of sd at 20/20/20/20 and running the epi from week 3 at 30 / 30 / 30 / 30 /30 /30 which would be 8 weeks in total. never done this cycle before , my last 3 have been sd and tren ( dragon  ) , but had bad gyno , maybe prolactin from the tren. ive got the usual ancillaries , nolva , letro and proviron...so pretty covered if need be .
welcome peoples opinions before i start. thanks
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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 14:02:29 (permalink)
    HAMMER HARRIS
    whats the opinions on here of a S Drol stacked with epistane cycle?

    I think it's a bad idea, Superdrol is harsh on the liver and whilst epi isnt too bad your still taking 2 17 alpha alkylated orals that will stress your liver. Also I suspect this drug combination isnt being considered on any scientific basis of these drugs having any kind of synergistic response when taken together... I suspect its more a case of hey Superdrol worked last time but I got bad gyne so maybe if i run it with epi it'll be ok. Maybe, maybe not.
     
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     my last 3 have been sd and tren ( dragon ) , but had bad gyno , maybe prolactin from the tren

    It's possible although I suspect the Superdrol was far more likely to have given you the gyne.
     
    Personally if I was you i would be tempted to try a course of Epi and Tren. It's an extremely popular stack and to be completely honest im fairly sure if done right is gyne safe. Whilst you've done a bit of research into the possible gyne risks of Tren you've discovered the 'progestin' issue. Personally I dont consider this a huge problem as your keeping your estrogen in check with the epi. Now if anything does go wrong you can take some cabergoline and or start on the nolva.
     
    The truth is you've stocked up nicely on the AI's and serms with your nolva, letro and proviron. You could pretty much run any course you wanted and not get gyne if you did it right. But, to be completely honest with you and speaking from the perspective of someone who's had not 1 but 2 operations for gyne I would advise taking a seperate route.
     
    Personally I wouldn't touch Superdrol, its not worth the risks for people like us that are sensitive to gyne. But dont stress it, there's some really fantastic pro-hormone options out there, it's just a case of doing some research and trying them out. Personally I love H-drol, I grow like absolute crazy on it and get strain gains through the roof kicking in just after a week. Although as I said im really sensitive to the estrogenic sides so have to run tamoxifen alongside it at 10mg per day.
     
    For what it's worth Epi does next to nothing for me in terms of strength or size, saying that I find the anti estrogen effect absolutely incredible. Even after 2 surgeries i still had a few loose strands of gland in my chest, nothing noticeable to the naked eye but i could feel some leftover gland in weird places like sort of below my armpit to the side of the chest. One course of Epi and that was completely dried out, along with a lump about half the size of a pea behind the left nipple. Dont expect these results as standard, some users report anti estrogen effects from epi, but a heck of a lot dont.
     
    But for what its worth i'd drop the Superdrol and maybe try H-drol (75mg per day for 6 weeks) or Epi stacked with tren.
     
    Good luck!

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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 14:06:05 (permalink)
    Protect your liver and I guess you can but would be inclined to limit it to 6 weeks personally.

    What is the goal of the cycle as sd and epi seems an odd combo?

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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 14:47:05 (permalink)
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    HAMMER HARRIS
    whats the opinions on here of a S Drol stacked with epistane cycle?

    I think it's a bad idea, Superdrol is harsh on the liver and whilst epi isnt too bad your still taking 2 17 alpha alkylated orals that will stress your liver. Also I suspect this drug combination isnt being considered on any scientific basis of these drugs having any kind of synergistic response when taken together... I suspect its more a case of hey Superdrol worked last time but I got bad gyne so maybe if i run it with epi it'll be ok. Maybe, maybe not.

    HAMMER HARRIS
    my last 3 have been sd and tren ( dragon ) , but had bad gyno , maybe prolactin from the tren

    It's possible although I suspect the Superdrol was far more likely to have given you the gyne.

    Personally if I was you i would be tempted to try a course of Epi and Tren. It's an extremely popular stack and to be completely honest im fairly sure if done right is gyne safe. Whilst you've done a bit of research into the possible gyne risks of Tren you've discovered the 'progestin' issue. Personally I dont consider this a huge problem as your keeping your estrogen in check with the epi. Now if anything does go wrong you can take some cabergoline and or start on the nolva.

    The truth is you've stocked up nicely on the AI's and serms with your nolva, letro and proviron. You could pretty much run any course you wanted and not get gyne if you did it right. But, to be completely honest with you and speaking from the perspective of someone who's had not 1 but 2 operations for gyne I would advise taking a seperate route.

    Personally I wouldn't touch Superdrol, its not worth the risks for people like us that are sensitive to gyne. But dont stress it, there's some really fantastic pro-hormone options out there, it's just a case of doing some research and trying them out. Personally I love H-drol, I grow like absolute crazy on it and get strain gains through the roof kicking in just after a week. Although as I said im really sensitive to the estrogenic sides so have to run tamoxifen alongside it at 10mg per day.

    For what it's worth Epi does next to nothing for me in terms of strength or size, saying that I find the anti estrogen effect absolutely incredible. Even after 2 surgeries i still had a few loose strands of gland in my chest, nothing noticeable to the naked eye but i could feel some leftover gland in weird places like sort of below my armpit to the side of the chest. One course of Epi and that was completely dried out, along with a lump about half the size of a pea behind the left nipple. Dont expect these results as standard, some users report anti estrogen effects from epi, but a heck of a lot dont.

    But for what its worth i'd drop the Superdrol and maybe try H-drol (75mg per day for 6 weeks) or Epi stacked with tren.

    Good luck!

    1: the SD bridged into epi cycle is a tried and tested cycle with a very high success rate.
    2: how is the epi keeping the oestrogen in check exactly?
    3: unfortunately, epi is often hit or miss
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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 17:25:47 (permalink)
    Cheers fellas , appreciate the opinions . As m118 says it is a tried and tested stack but for some unfortunatley  epi dont seem to do much. My reason for this stack is that though the epi will wield mild and slow gains im hoping it will help with keeping the gains i make through the superdrol , also helping with the bloat.
    Snugg ..it could be very well the sd that causes the gyno but im hopeful i have all bases covered with nolva , proviron and letro !. But you ask why id stack them for no apparant reason yet then you answer it in the same paragraph......
    -For what it's worth Epi does next to nothing for me in terms of strength or size, saying that I find the anti estrogen effect absolutely incredible. Even after 2 surgeries i still had a few loose strands of gland in my chest, nothing noticeable to the naked eye but i could feel some leftover gland in weird places like sort of below my armpit to the side of the chest. One course of Epi and that was completely dried out, along with a lump about half the size of a pea behind the left nipple. Dont expect these results as standard, some users report anti estrogen effects from epi, but a heck of a lot dont. -
      
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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 21:53:39 (permalink)
    HAMMER HARRIS
    i have all bases covered with nolva , proviron and letro

     
    I totally agree, like i said "You could pretty much run any course you wanted and not get gyne."
     
    HAMMER HARRIS
    But you ask why id stack them for no apparant reason yet then you answer it in the same paragraph......

     
    Just because you can get away with running a particular course dosent necessarily make it the best option. If your prone to developing gyne then it's likely to happen at some point, and that moment may be when you least expect it, and thats why I tend to think certain pro-hormones and AAS are not for everyone.
     
    One other issue I have is with all the stacking of pro-hormones and AAS that goes on as a matter of course. Whilst I have no complaints with the theory of stacking certain compounds (and yes I do it all the time). I think compounds should be used indivually before stacking them together, otherwise you can get side effects that you don't know where they came from and also muscle gains but again your not really sure what caused what. 
     
    How bad was the gyne? Did you get rid of it? Any pics. I think a lot of people panic over gyne and often over react.
     
    Anyway imho Dragon would probably be the best person to advise you on what to do.


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    Re:Superdrol and Epistane cycle 2012/05/07 22:19:42 (permalink)
    Cheers snugg , I can see where your coming from about stacking pro hormones and the sides that could arise , but everyone react different to different products and stacks but it's a good point mate, definitely.
    I actually stopped my last cycle early last time , tren and sd , as the lumps under my nipples were very sensitive and probably the size of a 50p coin. Usually id carry on , as the nolva always seems to do the trick but I thought this time it had got too far ( touch wood theyre almost back to normal !)
    All opinions and criticisms are much appreciated. Cheers guys
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