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Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts?

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2012/04/10 21:43:46 (permalink)

Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts?

Just after a bit of advice on this chaps, I'm new to "pro hormones" but I have used other oral steroids in the past- anavar, Tbol and Dbol.
I'm looking to add some serious mass on my next cycle and Iv been looking around the internet, Superdrol seems to be very popular as a mass builder, but it seems the gains are very difficult to maintain when off cycle, I'm not really interested in temporary bulk, I want to keep as much as possible (don't we all! lol)
I read on a diffrent forum (not sure if Im allowed to post a link) that gains can be maintained if you run superdrol for 3 weeks then go straight into an epi cycle, the cycle would look like this: (cut n pasted from the other forum)
 
SD 10/20/20
Epi 00/00/30/40/40/40
This is a 6 week cycle that has SD for the first 3 weeks, where Epi begins on week 3 and continues for weeks 4/5/6. This allows big gains to be made initially and then a 3 week period for the gains to be hardened up and strength increased even further (even if bodyweight doesn't increase much more, that is not the point, the point is to retain more gains in the end by giving your body sufficient time to become "used" to them. 
 
 
My first thought, is that the liver is going to take a hammering, but I'd be willing to stay off gear for a long time after the cycle to allow the liver to recover.
 
Anyone used such a cycle?
Anyone have thoughts on this, thanks
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    jw390898
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/10 21:54:01 (permalink)
    I have stacked SD and Tren nicely before.
     
    I would suggest if wanting to do Epi and SD to do this:-
    Epi 40/30/30/30/40/40
    SD 0/20/20/20/0/0
     
    Then ensure you follow the principles of training for hypertrophy on cycle and strength in PCT and maintain on cycle cals in PCT (most people mess this up and start cutting) but increase cardio and tweak carbs.
     
    You will only lose the odd lb of muscle and the inevitable water weight that people seem to think are lost gains.
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/10 22:13:13 (permalink)
    Sorry, I'm a complete newb to PH's, is the pro-hormone "tren" similar to the injectable Tren? How harsh is it on the liver, and how did you stack it? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to figure out what my best bet is.
     
    You suggest more epi for 6 weeks, at the same time as Superdrol, is that reasonably safe on the liver? I know some people don't like to run 2 orals simultaneously
     epi is pretty mild on the liver though isn't it? So its not really going to be much harsher than Superdrol alone Im guessing? 
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/11 01:52:39 (permalink)
    No the PH Tren is different - google 19-norandrosta-4-9,diene-3,17-dione
     
    It is not methalyted so has a reputation as not being harsh on the liver but I recall henryv (a repsected forum prescence who loves his broscience) point out that it did still carry with it the danger of toxicity all the same.
     
    I would not normally recommend stacking a meth alongside SD but you stated you were happy doing so and so I was offering my thoughts on the best dosing if this was going to be done - but I believe you would be better looking at SD stacked with Stano myself.
     
    6 weeks Stano and 4 weeks SD @20mg ED. I would start the Stano one week ahead of SD and let it run for one week extra to bridge coming off PH going into PCT.
     
    Stano will provide some nice subtle leaning and additional strength but is also very effective at negating some of the sides associated with SD - for me lethargy was so much better when stacking with Stano, solo SD leaves me needing naps all day like a baby.
     
    Stano is also incredibly mild on the liver. In terms of gains SD is potent enough that you do not have to start adding strong products alongside.
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/12 03:28:28 (permalink)
    If you're not looking to stack two methyls together, the SD to Epi bridge you've listed is a tried and tested bridge with good results.
     
    Alongside a Serm in PCT and with the guidelines on training and diet outlined above (and consider adding a moderate dose of the SARM Ostarine alongside your PCT if doing a harsher cycle). The Osta will help to maintain on cycle and strength iand cals in PCT.

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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/16 21:42:43 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice fella's!
    Im still undecided as to how/what to run, but its food for thought :)
     
    JW- IN my original proposed cycle I was going to run one med straight after another rather than running them at the same time, after some reading it does seem that running 2 orals at the same time is not as uncommon as I thought though.
     
    cheers!
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/16 22:01:03 (permalink)
    So what you going to do then fella?
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/16 22:29:52 (permalink)
    I'm not sure yet mate, Im not even sure I want to run superdrol anymore lol
     
    The rapid gains in size and strength obviously really appeal to me as I'v only ever run Tbol Anavar and Dbol so SD may be the most potent steroid I'll have used to date.
    With strong gear comes stronger sides and I'm very prone to acne naturally (anavar actually cleared it up ironically) but it really flared up on Dbol when I did Dbol and I also developed some gyno on Dbol, Im a bit worried about acne and gyno flaring up on superdrol if I'm totally honest, so I may give it a miss and try something else completely
    If I run the superdrol I'll probably stick with my original plan though, it seems very popular on another site.
     
    I was actually thinking about starting another thread but I'll ask you here if you don't mind mate- If M1T is the strongest in terms of potency and sides and it is then followed by Superdrol as next strongest whats the "next one down" so to speak on the gains Vs Sides scale in your opinion? Thanks
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/16 23:08:00 (permalink)
    Only sides I ever really encountered with SD was bad shin pumps.
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    Re:Superdrol cycle and bridge into Epi...thoughts? 2012/04/17 03:54:09 (permalink)
    Bertstare

    I'm not sure yet mate, Im not even sure I want to run superdrol anymore lol

    The rapid gains in size and strength obviously really appeal to me as I'v only ever run Tbol Anavar and Dbol so SD may be the most potent steroid I'll have used to date.
    With strong gear comes stronger sides and I'm very prone to acne naturally (anavar actually cleared it up ironically) but it really flared up on Dbol when I did Dbol and I also developed some gyno on Dbol, Im a bit worried about acne and gyno flaring up on superdrol if I'm totally honest, so I may give it a miss and try something else completely
    If I run the superdrol I'll probably stick with my original plan though, it seems very popular on another site.

    I was actually thinking about starting another thread but I'll ask you here if you don't mind mate- If M1T is the strongest in terms of potency and sides and it is then followed by Superdrol as next strongest whats the "next one down" so to speak on the gains Vs Sides scale in your opinion? Thanks

    Would probably agree - there is Mass-58 which stacks SD, Ergo and LMG whichis pretty powerfull too though.
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