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TRT and pro hormones 07 January 2012 14:20 (permalink)
Hi All
 
I am now on TRT (Nebido) and am due 3rd injection. I understand I do not need PCT anymore but would pro hormones still help me at the gym or would it be a total waste of money?
 
If so what would you reommend I take to enhance my TRT and help me improve in the gym.
 
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    Re:TRT and pro hormones 07 January 2012 14:28 (permalink)
    More testosterone 'SIMPLE'
    poolie58


    Hi All

    I am now on TRT (Nebido) and am due 3rd injection. I understand I do not need PCT anymore but would pro hormones still help me at the gym or would it be a total waste of money?

    If so what would you reommend I take to enhance my TRT and help me improve in the gym.


     
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      Re:TRT and pro hormones 07 January 2012 21:34 (permalink)
      No they will not help you.

       
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        Re:TRT and pro hormones 07 January 2012 21:56 (permalink)
        If you are on TRT to replace your natural testosterone (which presumably low for some reason) then adding in prohormones will be the same as for anyone else, i.e. you will be increasing the levels of anabolic substances in your body on top of your normal testosterone level, so I would say; no it isn't a waste of time.
         
        Unlike for someone not on TRT though you won't need PCT.

         
         
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          Re:TRT and pro hormones 07 January 2012 22:27 (permalink)
          I disagree.
           
          TRT is designed to replace natural test, hence the name. Natural test will be very low for a person to be using trt. As exogenous test is introduced, the hpta will be impacted yet further. Do we really think supplements designed to raise natural testosterone in a person who's natural test is abnormal to start with, and is also using exogenous test, will be of benefit?
           
          I really, really, cannot see it!

           
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            Re:TRT and pro hormones 08 January 2012 15:29 (permalink)
            PartyBoy


            I disagree.

            TRT is designed to replace natural test, hence the name. Natural test will be very low for a person to be using trt. As exogenous test is introduced, the hpta will be impacted yet further. Do we really think supplements designed to raise natural testosterone in a person who's natural test is abnormal to start with, and is also using exogenous test, will be of benefit?

            I really, really, cannot see it!

             
            While it is true that taking a test booster while on TRT is pissing in the wind, I believe the OP could be talking about using a "designer steroid" prohormone - superdrol, etc.
             
             
             
             
            <message edited by Metapump on 08 January 2012 15:39>
             
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              Re:TRT and pro hormones 08 January 2012 15:35 (permalink)
              From a training perspective it's better, from a health perspective clearly not


              It depends what you're talking about though, when I read pro hormones I read 'designer steroids'... You might mean tribulus or something.. In which case no, no help at all.
              <message edited by Sawdust on 08 January 2012 15:37>
              http://www.ugm.org.uk 
              Another interesting place!

               
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                Re:TRT and pro hormones 11 January 2012 18:48 (permalink)
                Thanks for the input everyone, although a couple of conflicting responses. By prohormones I mean designer steroids not trib or anything. Stuff like superdrol etc. Would this type of thing be of benefit.
                 
                Partyboy seems to know his stuff however all your replies are appreciated.
                 
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                  Re:TRT and pro hormones 12 January 2012 08:27 (permalink)
                  Ah, that's a different matter entirely.
                   
                  Superdrol et al are steroids. They are simply legal steroids due to a legal loophole that allows their sale otc.
                   
                  A cycle of superdrol or similar would be of benefit in terms of anabolic result, just as a cycle of dianabol would be (a non otc oral steroid).
                   
                  There is no real difference in how you use steroids as a trt user aside from the following factors:
                   
                  1 - consider your trt dose in the grand scheme of a steroid cycle. Regular steroid users will gradually lose natural test production through a cycle, you will not as your "natural" test is injected.
                  2 - be more aware of lipid irregularities. Being on trt warrants fairly regular blood works to ensure reasonable ldl/hdl/total cholesterol readings. Using steroids are a sure fire way to cane lipid readings. Also, if you are due a blood test from your gp, consider how long ago you used extra steroids, since abnormalities in lipids or other parameters may give the gp cause for concern and they may think the readings are purely down to the trt.
                  3 - pct is not necessary, though consider hcg if you notice significant testicular atrophy

                   
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                    Re:TRT and pro hormones 12 January 2012 12:13 (permalink)
                    Hi Partyboy
                     
                    Thanks for that. Yes it will be a superdrol clone, something like megavol maybe.
                     
                    Im very interested to hear about hcg. What is it? is it legal, can you get it OTC and how much would you pay?
                     
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                      Re:TRT and pro hormones 12 January 2012 13:24 (permalink)
                      http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx
                       
                      It may be worth talking to your gp about atrophy and hcg with regard to trt use anyway. Only really a concern if you wish at some point to have a baby or the fact that aesthetically small nuts is bothersome to you personally

                       
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                        Re:TRT and pro hormones 13 January 2012 00:49 (permalink)
                        Partyboy's hit the nail on everything here, but I'd add that if you were to run SD and had the option of increasing your TRT dose whilst on and a little while after use, it would help with both lethargy and maintenance of SD gains post use.
                        tbc
                         
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                          Re:TRT and pro hormones 13 January 2012 01:17 (permalink)
                          Same as the OP, TESTOSTERONE!  On TRT at 200mg. of test E every two weeks which is like a drop in the bucket for me.
                          I'm going to bump this up to 1,000mg a month in February along with tbol and superdrol.
                           
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