depends if cutting or bulking,i have found on trn,because its so good for recomping,i found if i went to long without food i went hypo and needed sugar keep this in mind,high protein,moderate healthy fat and tweak the carbs,this is all i do,protein and fat stays the same 350-400g protein90-120g fat per day,high carbs if bulking400-800g per day,low if cutting,25-100g per day.

Thanks for that Meat. Sounds good and looking forward to owning some extra muscle for the first time in a while! Can't believe there was so little on here about M-Dien and Methoxy-Trn until recently. They appear to be at least as worthwhile as some of the more "fashionable" compounds that feature on here a lot.

Taz - been to gym but forgot it was "ladies night" after 7.30pm so couldn't get into the room with the scales in so no update there!!

Having said that trained shoulders and noticed a decent increase in strength tonight. Went up by 10kg on behind the neck press for example. Did take 10mg of SD about 45 mins before training for the first time today so not sure if that is part of the reason or it is the SD kicking in anyway as it is day 8?

Very happy with the SD at the moment anyway.

2 very misunderstood compounds,mdien was recommended to be used at 4mg per day,obviously this did very little and it was declared worthless,mtrn is a mystery and was pulled off the shelves,it was also badmouthed by a respected designer steroid guru who had underlying motives and this put people off.

Just had a look on discount supplements and see they are still going for less than a tenner a bottle each. Well worth it.

I really need to do some reading on pro-hormones!!!

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Meat ill check my mails when I get home fella as carnt view em at work.

Other than that the The Terrific Taz’s First Cycle Sarga Continues….. as Im contemplating using either another bottle of M-Dien or Methoxy tren.

If I went the M-Dien route I would be on for a further 3 weeks (in addition to this week) alongside EPI and there would be one week crossover where I would be using M-Dien/Methoxy tren/Epi and then just 2 weeks of EPI/Methoxy Tren.

The Methoxy route would mean starting it today with m-dien, then next week running epi alongside Methoxy tren for 5 weeks.

Which would you say be the better of the 2 options seeing as strength and body recomp are my main drivers?

Lol at RACK!!!! There are some useful PH’s and designer steads out and about and at pretty reasonable prices as I’m finding out.

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I think I'll just stick to test, it's less complicated LOL!

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i like the look of that cycle taz,should be a good one.u will enjoy the epi mtrn combo i promise!

Rack I think you are prob right bud but I am having fun lol!!!!!

Rack when you juice do you go for short or long esters?

Ok well I took your advice Meat and took 3 Methoxy Tren caps pre workout and 1 post aswell as my usual 4 M-Dien caps, which were taken throughout the day. Training session went like this:

Bench press 100/5 105/5/5 – I really want 110kg on bench for reps and will push for it next week)
Dead lift 105/5 110/5 115/5
DB Curls 25/5/5/5

I am well impressed with todays efforts but feel that my bench is now coming to its maximum for this cycle but who knows. Deads were a fine, only prob to report was grip on left hand was tiered and lower back still a little sore but, which is a shame as I feel I could really push deads up if it were for this . DB were harder this week tbh, I did them all but my form on the last few reps of the last set was a little poor.

Hopefully the Methoxy Tren will kick in within a week so strength can keep creeping up.

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I usually go for short esters mate. I find with long acting ones I hold a lot of water (except for primo). I mainly stick to Test Prop with something else, usually Masterone prop, NPP or tren ace.

Thing that I like is, if you find a med doesn't suite you, it's out of your system in a few days, if it's a long acting ester it's a couple of weeks.

Well done on the benching

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V true re long esters staying in your system for longer but I’m not overly keen on jabbing everyday tbh.

What effects have you had with each substance i.e. strength gain, weight, body fat, mind set (increased confidence, short temper) etc etc?

Cheers mate I am most impressed with my bench too!!!!!!! I still want 110kg’s next week though even if my head explodes lol!!!!

No am cardio this week but will def do tomz and Friday and the usual 2 long sessions on Sat and Sun. Iv not long been back from K-B and I hardly feel like Iv been training the past few days so I think my recovery time and decreased pretty drastically.

Still no sides and the tiredness seems to have been sorted by going bed earlier.

Oh Rack awsome new avy mate.

If only I was as cut as that now.

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Thanks for the avi comment mate. I'm looking like that again now after getting rid of the bloat. Give it a few more weeks and a new one will be up.

As for gear, it's all down to what goals you're after. These are my personal opinions and based on my experience, I'd say for bulking you should stick to long esters as they hold more water and thus make you feel like you're getting bigger quicker and keeps you in the right mindset, also on Test E I get a massive appetite.
For cutting, always use something like Prop, holds far less water, hardly any bloat. Tren is also good but does have a lot of sides, but is a fantastic med and the strength and fat loss properties are really good. If it didn't turn me crazy I'd live on the stuff!
Masterone is something I'd like to try again too.

When on gear I feel on top of the world most of the time, got bags of confidance and love it. But when you get down or angry it seems to be amplified about 10times worse than normal.
Also I find PCT a really hard time as you know by reading my journal.

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I look forward to the new one bud.

As for goals I am presently just trying to lean up, which is working well as bf% is coming down and body measurements are going up. What sites do you jab? Do you alternate at all? Test E is what I want to run, I have heard good things about the Iranian stuff especially.

Lol I think I will steer clear of the Tren then mate. I don’t think a crazy trened up kick-boxer would be a good idea lol!!!!

Have you ever stacked an oral with injectable? If so what and at what doeses?

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Test E is a good first injectable to try mate. I'd even say try a dose as little as 1 shot a week and see how you feel. I'm pretty sure natural test production is 80mg PW so you'll be getting nearly 3 times as much. Or just got with 500mg PW. You'll feel some bloat but not too much.

I ran mainly winny orals in the run up to my hol at 50mg ED and got good results. I've also tried oxys but never again! Those things are horrible, got masive leg and back pumps and gained 21lb in 10 days! All water I might add.

I rotate the sites, I use quads, glutes and will try using delts again this year as hopefully I won't get an abcess in it this time. Not much fun stood in your bathroom drawing brown and green crap out of your arm

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Aye Test E is the way forward for me I think mate. Im planning one more 6 week cycle of orals and then think I may take the plung with a 12 week Test E cycle at 500mg per week with M-Dien for the first 6 weeks to get the ball rolling so to speak.

Iv heard a fair bit about winny use in stamina sports so will read more up on that.

WTF oxys?

Ya I think I will need rotat the site, I think I will only shoot once per week too as a little needle shy lol!!!!!

Ok todays session:

Clean & Press 70/5 72.5/5/5
BOBBR 100/5/5/5
Dynamic Lunges 25/5 30/5/5

Pleased as another awesome session. BOBBR’s were fine and although I didn’t attempt to push the weight up today I have still showed improvement as did 2 sets of 5 at the 100 kgs, where last week I built up to 100.

I decided to take the plunge with dl and push up the weight to 30’s. It just about killed me!!!!!!!!! See I am using free weights for these and I have to jump from 25 – 30kgs there is no inbetween for me due to size of plates being used lol!!!!! I suppose now its done so hopefully this will get easier………….

Despite another good session as you guys can tell the jumps in strength are slowing down now and that’s now a nice feeling. I’m just focusing on the fact the Methoxy tren will take a while to kick in and EPI will start on Sunday I think so fingers crossed I can get another burst in the strength department.

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whats ur weight now mate?

Still going well I see Taz. Dropping BF by 3% yet increasing biceps as you have at the same time is a phenomenal result. Well done mate and it looks like you will be getting awesome results out of this cycle, especially with the Epi/Methoxy-Trn combo still to come. Think I might use one of my bottles of Methoxy-Trn with the Epi phase of my cycle, especially as it is non-methylated and Epi is reputedly quite mild.

Good luck if you go down the injectable route - would like to myself but have a genuine phobia of needles which is seriously putting me off. Never say never though eh?

Did I see you are using Mass FX/Hyperdrolx2 as part of your PCT? Have used that myself (not as PCT) and gained about half a stone in 2 months - decent stack no doubt and I am sure you will be pleased with the results.

Meat my weight is still sat at 16 stone 1 lb lol!!!! Its really strange cause I feel so much bigger and my shirts are getting tighter and my measurements are increasing but for some reason my weight is not shifting too much. My cal intake must be around 5-6 thousand per day and I was thinking I could drop this a little but I already feel hungry for a good percentage of the day. I did a good am cardio session yesterday and today and think if I do it Monday-Friday that will be enough to tip the scales so I can shed some fat.

Cheers SOF things are going well and it is a bit of a learning curve for me. I am pleased with my growth and strength but would like the fat to drop quicker but as said above I think my planned am cardio should sort it.

Needles are not my friends either mate lol!!!! And I have a fair bit of reading to do before I start prodding myself.

I agree never say never. I said never and now I am planning one for this year lol!!!!

I wont be using Mass FX but I have got Hyperdrolx2/ Advanced PCT/Retain 2 as part my PCT. Tbh I am hoping the above coupled with my diet, nolva, cee that I can keep around 80% of my size and strength gains but we shall see. I may use some Cissuss drol too but that’s still undecided atm.

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I used to have a phobia of needles. 2 big tattoos and a load of courses later, it's gone LOL!

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PMSL so you have been in therapy then RACK????

Awesome stuff.

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