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2012/02/23 15:34:57 (permalink)

The Ban List

Hi Guys,
Is it me or is lots of stuff about to get banned for sale by MHRA, for example:
 
Substances which are medicinal and which may not be sold unlicensed
14. The following substances have already been determined by the MHRA to be
medicinal and may not therefore be sold without a marketing authorisation
Gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)
Prohormones
Ephedrine (also the herb ephedra, ma huang, desert tea, mormon tea)
Synephrine (whole citrus aurantium is not medicinal)
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) [also subject to the Misuse of Drugs Act]
Hydroxy Citric Acid (whole garcinia cambogia is not medicinal but advice on the status
of garcinia under food legislation should be obtained from the FSA)
Steroids
Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
Yohimbe
 

What are peoples thoughts on this as i don't think thats the end of the list and i imagine will result in a lot of products being pulled off shelves in the near future. Do you thinks its simply going to create an even bigger black makret than there is currently?

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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/23 16:05:45 (permalink)
    as above thread . this is not new news , alot of this has been banned for ages just not enforced , now they are enforcing it . Affects US Brands the most as most reputable UK ones stopped using these ingredients ages ago when the original bans came in


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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/23 16:09:36 (permalink)
    They're banning steroids????
     
    When did this happen????!!!
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/23 16:15:37 (permalink)
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    They're banning steroids????

    When did this happen????!!!

     
     No idea, maybe it was a copy and pasting error and taken out of context, i can't find the link anymore hwere i got it :-( i've just seen theere's anothe rpost for exactly the same topic posted one minute before this one so by all means closse the thread down as there's nopint having a duplicate
     
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/23 16:36:51 (permalink)
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    They're banning steroids????

    When did this happen????!!!

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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 01:07:52 (permalink)
    How much do you think people will have to charge for protein powder if they're selling less products overall?
     
    Fight the implementation or say hello to higher prices - this is fact. Less products on the market to spread margin around, or less suppliers if suppliers go under, both mean one thing....
     
    ....what you the consumer pays will go up. For protein powder, mass gainers, protein bars, everything.
     
    Fight back:
     
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13372
     
    ...you can find your local MP to write to here: http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/
     
    Tell them you're not going to vote for them unless they take a different approach. It's your body, it should be your choice.

        
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 08:54:20 (permalink)
    ^ those who think they will not be affected as they do not use prpducts being targeted are wrong.
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 13:39:04 (permalink)
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    How much do you think people will have to charge for protein powder if they're selling less products overall?
    Fight back:
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13372
    ...you can find your local MP to write to here: http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/

     
    As I said before I understand your issues but you cannot say that the price of protein powders will go up.
    You may well have to charge more - some others may not.
    As Boditronics have said this is not new news just enforcement taking place.
    One could look at this another way - they are not retrospectively enforcing these measures and levying fines.
    Are they allowing co's to offload current stock or is it an immediate cessation notice?
     
    I too would wish for more choice and a US approach to supplements but we've got what we've got and people will adapt and others will push the boundaries.
     
    I'm a supporter albeit one without a local MP but a local MEP!
     
     
     

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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 17:36:11 (permalink)
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    ThaiFighter
    How much do you think people will have to charge for protein powder if they're selling less products overall?
    Fight back:
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13372
    ...you can find your local MP to write to here: http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/


    As I said before I understand your issues but you cannot say that the price of protein powders will go up.
    You may well have to charge more - some others may not.

    I guarantee it'll happen. We have some of the best overheads in the industry so will always offer exceptionally low prices....but consider this:
     
    - What happens when there's less products on a site to spread margin around on?
    - What happens when there's less competition in an industry to force prices down?
     
    This measure will end up increasing prices. That's straight economics - there will be less supply, smaller ranges, and hence higher prices. I'm shocked anyone in the industry is speaking in favour of these changes. It's incredibly short sighted. Where today you're told not to sell X or Y, tomorrow you're not allowed to sell HMB or Beta-Alanine. Look at Norway. What's available there?
     
    People should be scared. People should be contacting their local MP, their local MEP, their local newspaper. You're in a fight for your freedom and your wallet. No joke. http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/

        
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 17:47:06 (permalink)
    RobW seems to do ok and he's in a restricted country, think i recall him saying couldnt even sell glucoasime?? (clarify for me rob pls)
    Dont get me wrong I dont think its great news but not the end of the world.
    Also the epetitions will do nowt, politicians will do nowt, dont waste your time.
    Thai the politicain "Fight for your freedom" lol
    Had visions of you banging the desk writing that mate
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 17:56:26 (permalink)
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    RobW seems to do ok and he's in a restricted country, think i recall him saying couldnt even sell glucoasime?? (clarify for me rob pls)
    Dont get me wrong I dont think its great news but not the end of the world.
    Also the epetitions will do nowt, politicians will do nowt, dont waste your time.
    Thai the politicain "Fight for your freedom" lol
    Had visions of you banging the desk writing that mate

    I am off to meet my local MP next week. They're public servants and should be doing what the people want - I don't know about you, but I want better policing, lower taxes, more support for business and job creation...
     
    ....I've never heard anyone ask for someone to take away their vitamins.

        
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 18:07:52 (permalink)

    I guarantee it'll happen. We have some of the best overheads in the industry so will always offer exceptionally low prices....but consider this:
    People should be scared. People should be contacting their local MP, their local MEP, their local newspaper. You're in a fight for your freedom and your wallet. No joke. http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/

     
    In some cases yes - however my point is very simple - this will not affect the price a dairy charges for whey.
     
    Therefore if my business is mainly selling whey/protein based powders in massive volume then how can this affect me?
     
    Some very large EU sports nutrition co's never got involved in ph's or the like - they are not affected.
     
    I support freedom and choice but I also believe that if rules are there and co's deliberately ignore them and flout them then eventually the government will get a complaint from somebody or someone and all of a sudden they take an interest.
     
    As Boditronics have said this is not new news is it? Also the novel food thing being possibly shelved for sports nutrition foods is also good.
     
    I realise this is a sore topic for you atm and I do not wish to ruin your day any more by being obtuse online.
     
    The main thing is to properly assess this over the weekend and take a plan of action on Monday.
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 18:10:12 (permalink)
    Genuinely good luck to you mate.
    As an aside even IF the epetition reaches 100k signatures it doesnt guarantee a debate. Just eligible for debate. If the powers that be look at it and decide there are more important issues to debate, as in your post, police, taxes, business and job creation then it wont get heard...
    Dont pin your hopes on politicians, they look after themselves. Surely as a business you can diversify make changes and still be viable?
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 18:11:54 (permalink)
    Do you feel sympathy for those based on the channel islands who will lose their LVCR on 1st April?
     

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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 18:19:49 (permalink)
    whats LVCR alter?
     
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 20:18:53 (permalink)
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    In some cases yes - however my point is very simple - this will not affect the price a dairy charges for whey.

    Therefore if my business is mainly selling whey/protein based powders in massive volume then how can this affect me?

    What supplier only sells Whey? Every bulk supplier sells a number of products - and none of them make much "profit" from their whey. They make profit from everything else that's added to the basket before checkout.
     
    As I've said before, we're in a great position because we are now one of the largest protein / bulk brands in the UK and that constitutes a large part of our business....in other words, the vast majority of our sales are of "food items". However, the directive is still wrong. It's not helping consumers and it's weakening a growth area of the UK economy. It's unfair EU bullying.
     
    I think many UK brands are rubbing their hands with glee because they think "Woohoo! Now people will stop buying US brands and be forced to buy British". This is not what will happen. What will happen is people will simply buy their US brands from US websites, like people presently buy steroids / prescription meds from foreign websites now. Why else have US websites started to advertise in the UK? Even MT has a US website sponsoring it now.
     
    Anyone in the industry supporting this move is being very short sighted....it won't help them, nor will it help consumers (more of whom will simply buy something under the counter from their local gym).
     
    I'd ask people to please support their own freedom of choice right now by signing the petition, or sending a letter / email to their MP (http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/).

        
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/24 20:21:14 (permalink)
    AlterEgo

    Do you feel sympathy for those based on the channel islands who will lose their LVCR on 1st April?


    I think all UK taxes are excessive. Even if you're on an average salary, you pay 50% in effect when you add up National Insurance, Income Tax, Fuel Duty, VAT (20% of most of what you buy), and everything else. The person on £20k a year pays pretty much 50% of it to the government. That's just wrong.

        
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/25 07:06:01 (permalink)
    Yep signed the e-petition yesterday
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/25 07:29:25 (permalink)
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    RobW seems to do ok and he's in a restricted country, think i recall him saying couldnt even sell glucoasime?? (clarify for me rob pls)
    Dont get me wrong I dont think its great news but not the end of the world.
    Also the epetitions will do nowt, politicians will do nowt, dont waste your time.
    Thai the politicain "Fight for your freedom" lol
    Had visions of you banging the desk writing that mate

    Hi Jonny,
     
    Yep correct glucosamine can only be sold in a pharmacy in Finland & Sweden... Which I think everyone would agree is crazy...
     
    I understand that Thai & PredNut feel very strongly about this situation and feel their pain, but I do not think this is any first steps to stopping people buying whey protein...
     
    I have been selling supplements for 20 years and I have seen products come and go, i have seen new legislation passed and then removed again...
     
    Many times legislation is written and passed for the wrong reasons.... This legislation was passed years ago and is not news, it just happens that you guys have a little event this summer called the Olympics, so I think that would be the reason for a crackdown on not selling products that have already been illegal to sell for well over a year...
     
    But the industry will survive, new products will come out to replace these products...
     
     
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    Re:The Ban List 2012/02/25 08:43:35 (permalink)
    Well said Rob - crackdowns or clampdowns always happen in Olympic Years.

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