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The Return of the jedi-This is not Sparta. This. Is. Madness.(now incl. Race to 100kg OHP)


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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 12:59
Alright mate, still hard at it... I had every intention of training Monday but my wife's family came round Sunday...Their scot's and they can drink, some red wine, vodka and then perno and I wasn't really up for it lol
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 16:32
By 'paused' reps, do you mean you paused at the bottome of each rep on the chest? That's good work if so.

CF: You had a heavy SATURDAY and still couldn't train on MONDAY - must have been some serious consumption. 
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 16:35
I'll do a session with you this Friday, Shoulders
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 20:14
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:19
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I'll do a session with you this Friday, Shoulders


Nice.
You can laugh at my puny OHP skills.

If you can meet me in the foyer at 6 that would be cool n the gang.
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:21
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By 'paused' reps, do you mean you paused at the bottome of each rep on the chest? That's good work if so.

Exactly that.
Nice finish to the flat pressing I reckon.

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...some red wine, vodka and then perno and I wasn't really up for it lol

You should've at least banged out some curls, think of the vascularity.


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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:22
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CF: You had a heavy SATURDAY and still couldn't train on MONDAY - must have been some serious consumption. 

It wasn't the way ahead at all, cos I'm not a big drinker at all! But my brother in law always ropes me in for the good old times!
 
4 bottles of red wine, 1 1/2 bottles of vodka and nearly a bottle of Perno, don't know if this is a lot by others standards but I'm pretty ashamed of myself for it as I can honestly say I don't drink at all normally, and I nearly missed Joshies feed time :(
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:23
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:41
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I'll do a session with you this Friday, Shoulders


Nice.
You can laugh at my puny OHP skills.

If you can meet me in the foyer at 6 that would be cool n the gang.


lol, Shoulders are my weakest part, I can only press 25kg DB

I want to film a FLOH video for the thread in general, you can be my camera man!!

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:46
Legs today and to be honest up until Sunday I was still suffering from the most crippling DOMS from last week's session that I thought I might have to pass. Felt a bit better yesterday so started making big plans.

Part of the big plan was to take some of the volume off the front squat and have a bash at 'something heavy'. This was ruined by the fact that when we got there the fat bar was on the rack the thin bar on the bench. Sulking like a girl who has just been told; "No you can't have a pony...and I really mean it this time." I was basically just biding my time at 60kg until the other bar became available. Course when it did I had forgotten how to get my grip on that one and was basically all over the shop. Plans for heavy abandoned lets just do the 100 like last week.
100kg - off to a decent start then at rep 3 it slid off my left delt I was so fkkkkkkin mad by this stage that I did another 7 reps on pure rage.
Great. Now I haven't gone heavy and I've d1cked up the reps. Brilliant.
Some logic is applied to the effect that if I can only get 3 reps before it starts fallin off I might as well go heavy.
120kg x 3
130kg=PB - oh fkkkkk when I said heavy I didn't think it would feel that fkkin heavy.
Why I would do that and then think of trying 140 is beyond me.
140kg PB
To be honest I had a bit of help unracking and it was probably only to parallel (I don't think it was high though) but my over-riding memory is of being scared sh1tless. It felt like a truly hideous amount of weight. Horrible. Don't try this at home etc etc
Interesting to look back on from a safe distance though
Also sulked my way through some back squats and leg exts. I think I was judging my performance against the pain of last week and thinking I wasn't trying hard.

I might need to get a grip before I do myself a mischief.
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:49
Hi Jez, just thought I'd stop by and say hello. Solid squatting tonight mate and congrats on the front squat PB.

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 21:56
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lol, Shoulders are my weakest part, I can only press 25kg DB
I want to film a FLOH video for the thread in general, you can be my camera man!!
yeah will do


Not to worry, I go for volume and nailed technique rather than strength stuff for delts so no huge numbers will be posted. You may notice a slight burning sensation though
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 22:06
Well for a sh!t session, 2 PBs is pretty good going LOL. Nice one. I agree, 140 for a FS does feel fookin heavy
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 22:09
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Hi Jez, just thought I'd stop by and say hello. Solid squatting tonight mate and congrats on the front squat PB.



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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 22:20
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I agree, 140 for a FS does feel fookin heavy


I remember the first time I was under 140 on the bench and thinking 'this is not nice, it feels like the world is on the bar'. I now know that the feeling is much, much worse on the front squat. Not sure if knowing what it feels like would make the second time less intimidating or indeed worse on the grounds that I know what to expect

I daresay I am going to have to get it filmed at some point though so I might as well resign myself to the notion. If I wasn't so busy trying to blank out the memory of feeling as though I had a close brush with death I might be a bit happier about making the lift.

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 06 April 2010 22:49
Good work Jez.
You're equalling my front squat PB now, this will not do... *flexes throwing arm*

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 07 April 2010 08:49
feck me, 140 felt heavy enough for deadlifts let alone having it on my shoulders! top work!
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 07 April 2010 09:18
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feck me, 140 felt heavy enough for deadlifts let alone having it on my shoulders! top work!


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Good work Jez.
You're equalling my front squat PB now, this will not do...


The day after the night before I'm still quite frankly terrified by the memory of what that 140 felt like across the old clavicles
I reckon it might be best left to people with a bit more size around the chest and delts. On the other hand, I did a bit of reading round last night and I don't reckon I have the best grip going. I tend to cross my hands but hold them at my throat. I think you're supposed to go a lot wider if you cross your hands or if you're holding at your throat keep 'em together like praying.
Might be worth investigating, may even throw a thread into general to see if TONY has any tips. It's a shame it feels so horrendous as my legs feel fairly strong pushing in that position i.e. with my back more upright than a back squat and it feels great for quad recruitment; it is just so damn uncomfortable.


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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 07 April 2010 16:17
I use a xover grip but TBH I don't think my hands do much more than rest on top of the bar to keep things in place, there isn't an aweful lot of functional gripping happening IIRC
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 08 April 2010 10:22
I don't necessarily mean grabbing the bar but it definitely needs some firm support.
I had aplay last night and think I am deffo doing the worst of two things. I either need to cross my arms over more or not cross them and hold them sort of praying mantis style at my throat. I think both options will keep my elbows higher. Of course its easy to be impressed with nothing on the bar, it might feel a lot different when there is 100+ there.

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Calves on the sled, am making a conscious decision to go heavier and hold the contraction rather than doing mega reps. Did some heavy one-legs and then a few pump sets on the stack.

Bi's
Oly Curls
20-40
50kg x 12/ 9/ 8
was looking forward to these after murdering 'em last week
...felt about 5kg heavier this time; that'll teach me.

Incline Curls
20kg x 8
20kg x 8
14kg x 15
working those 20's up to a decent amount of reps, looking for 10/8/6 next week

Seated Curls
35kg x 12/10/8
again felt mega heavy, we've been doing 15's on this.

Abs
Paused Dragon Flags (shoes on)
6-5-4
murder

L-Sits + tucks
5sets of 5's
agony but getting better at these holding a nicer position for longer may be video-able soon

Hanging Leg Raises
slow feet to bar - 6-5-4

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 08 April 2010 12:48
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6-5-4
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Heh don't laugh at the shoes, they make one hell of a difference
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 08 April 2010 17:19
I've tried variations on grip that, as you say, have felt fine with just the bar but as soon as there is some workable weight on it I simply go back to default settings
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 08 April 2010 23:39
Powerlifting Thursday

Flying somewhat solo as VicMasters4 is tapering for Accrington on Saturday and Mr. Jackman is somewhat broken about the shoulder region. I didn't fancy anything much myself as felt a bit sh@gged out but hey ho Vic is adamant that the best thing for minor aches and pains is a good n heavy squats session.

Squat
60-90-140
160
170 not sure if I've done this before without wraps (probably not as deep as this if I have)
180x felt good n strong in the legs drove it about 80% of the way home and then selected reverse by mistake Actually I think it was lack of grinder practice, it is definitely do-able
wraps on
180 fairly comfortable but not super deep
190x made sure of the depth good out of the hole failed about halfway home
Pleased witht hose, the 180 without wraps should be do-able in a matter of weeks, the 190 with wraps may take a bit longer but it certainly didn't feel scarily heavy. I'd try for that about 20times sooner than have another pop at 140 front.

Bench
60-90
110
120
130
done.

Deadlift
60-90-140
160 felt disappointingly heavy
180 oh kerrrrr-ist long dreams of reps on the 200 lie in ruins
200 x 3* foooookynell the first one nearly did for me but I had set my heart on 3 reps as a minimum and wasn't taking any nonsense. 2nd rep was better, 3rd rep was nasty and a bit of Elvis Palsy crept in. Not too bad considering how heavy rep1 felt. I am confident on a better day I can turn that into 200 x 4 or maybe even....
Deadreps abandoned due to back tweakage and rare moment of sanity

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 09 April 2010 01:18
re: front squats, have you thought of trying the likes of this?


or more manly, this?

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 09 April 2010 10:21
Or something possibly slightly abit more up-market?




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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 09 April 2010 14:18
You can get those 'manta ray' things that you place over your shoulders that hold the bar in. I say stick with it tho until you really feel you have exhausted your options
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 09 April 2010 23:01
I had such a fit of rage after the abortion set on the 100 that I actually got the wraps out and had a go. It was sh1te, no control over the bar at all. I will just get to fiddling with my hurrrrrumph grip.

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Seated Press
warmups then
34kg x 8ish 6ish 4ish still struggling to regain lost ground here on the brightside my shoulder does seem to be on the mend so I'll just have to try and work those reps up.

Seated Front Raise
16kg x 12/10/8

Seated Lateral
14kg x 12/10/8

Rear Cable
pin3? x 12/10/8 this has been pinching my shoulder the worst but not so bad today

Arnold Press/ V-press superset -had to use 22's 14's
12/10/8 reasonably comfortable with good form

also did a few sets of Dorian style pulldowns.

Fair play to AWG who got stuck right in despite it not really being the kind of work he normally does. I've seen much worse 'allergic' reactions to the press superset that's for sure

Suppose I better head to bed as I'm off to Accrington at sparrow's chirp
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 10 April 2010 22:22
Eeeeeexxxxcuse me! What's all this snuck in late talk, I made up for not doing the dumbells by doing the military press. You remember it was the same time that you absolutely positively had to go downstairs to train something or other
 
Oh and I have just tried on the wraps that I brought from the powerlifting meet, sweet jesus they are tight. They should definitely do the job and they had the added bouns of giving the missus a laughing fit as she witnessed me waddling out of the bathroom in them

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 11 April 2010 11:12
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Eeeeeexxxxcuse me! What's all this snuck in late talk, I made up for not doing the dumbells by doing the military press. You remember it was the same time that you absolutely positively had to go downstairs to train something or other
 
Oh and I have just tried on the wraps that I brought from the powerlifting meet, sweet jesus they are tight. They should definitely do the job and they had the added bouns of giving the missus a laughing fit as she witnessed me waddling out of the bathroom in them


Those wraps are nuts, you'll be needing at least 180 on the bar to squash you down to make depth.
The missus won't be laughing so much when she sees you in your birthday suit and those TITAN powerlifting socks (I hope)

I'm sure Deadward will agree with me that a great day was had in the Accrington road trip. We arrived a tiny bit behind schedule due to a slightly timid lorry driver who crawled along a no-overtaking road behind a cyclist for several miles before finally deciding to venture into the on-coming traffic on a blind bend....on the brow of a hill...possibly over a hump-backed bridge. Mrs. SatNav also threw us a bitof a curve ball at the 'you have reached your destination' - 'no we fkkin haven't' stage in the proceedings. As a result we missed most all of the ladies' squats and also missed VicMasters4 checking in and finding that most of his kit was thrown out for illegality. Being a true competitor, he didn't let it phase him and in fact barely mentioned it again I have to say that it did seem a bit pernickity to reject his singlet (which looks very much like a Victorian bathing costume) on the grounds of age and being made from a material not recognised in the industrial age. But hey, roolz iz roolz. The fact that they also chucked out his boots for squatting and his wrist wraps for bench, was however, in my humble opinion, "fkkin ridiculous."
As I say though, he didn't let it get to him and barely mentioned it
To be fair the lack of a decent heel probably cost him in the squat where his last lift 155 was failed for depth. It pains me to say it but perhaps rightly so. He already had a solid 140 in the bank and you can't be too hard on the judges for calling squats that are borderline when other competitors are taking the trouble to bury themselves to make sure. Again, the lack of wrist wraps probably didn't help his bench but he locked out a solid 95 last lift, which was awesome work considering he'd had his previous effort ruled out for foot shuffling
Nothing was ever going to stop him hoisting a magnificent 200kg deadlift -at 70 years of age- to take the title though. Brilliant stuff.
There was a lot of the brilliant stuff on show to be fair.
80year old George who failed a 180 deadlift and made a bit of a comedy of it so you thought perhaps he was only mucking about. A thought dispelled inthe next rotation when he came back for another go ...with his serious face on. He cracked it off the floor to knee height and then, with the crowd going noisily beserk, he hoisted it home. One hundread and eighty kilos...at eighty years of age...I don't know why i was surprised given that earlier he had squatted something very similar
Other highlights were watching John Mitchell (I think that's his name) from the West Mids. compete complete RAW and destroy some incredible weights -just missing a 300 squat.
Brilliant, brilliant day, watching the effort that went into grrrrrrinding out some of the lifts with the crowd going absolutely mental in their support made me want to get into a gym immediately and attempt PB's.
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 12 April 2010 17:44
Sounds like a good experience there mate. Impressive lifts by the elder statesmen, very impressive.
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 12 April 2010 23:30
^It was a vintage day in every sense of the word.
Deadward was all fired up tonight and if he didn't quite make his 190 deadlift he is already engaging it in earnest conversation. I'd like to say I am similarly fired up but...
No, actually the mind is willing but the body is weak. Literally. Seem to be struggling a bit just lately. Getting to the gym fired up and feeling strong but then seem to be wilting after the first couple of sets. I mentioned this earlir about leg day but it seems to be spreading across the rest of the workouts. It is pretty damn hot in there though so it may be that. I'm going to try and up the water intake tomorrow prior to the gym and see if that does any good.

Bench
60-80
100 x 14 +2
100 x 9 +3
100 x 7 + 2
paused reps
100 x 3 80 x 3 60 x 3
took a break from the floundering at 110. 15 would've been nice.

Incline 'Bells
40kg x 8
40kg x 5 ...wilting
40kg x 0
40kg x 5
Woeful, they didn't even feel very heavy I just couldn't get going with them

Incline Fly
22kg x 12/10/8

Mid Cable Fly
pin? x 12/10/8

Dips _elbows out
12/10/8

Skulls
50kg x 9/8/7
unspotted so had to press rep 1 off the bench behind me -I reckon that one should score double

Some cable push + pulldown

15min fat burn

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 13 April 2010 00:01
you said you failed.....since when was decline pressing 40kg failing? lol


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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 13 April 2010 12:43
It's funny, my garage/gym is just the opposite, glad spring is here as it's just getting above 0'c in there now lol
I actually started sweating last night...but that could be me actually putting some effort in before you say anything!
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 13 April 2010 14:02
Heyup mate, just popping my head in to say I've not forgot about you.  Got a lot going off at the min but I'll be back posting regular soon.

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 13 April 2010 17:05
I am always seeing lots of extra rep (forced, paused etc etc). Use them sparing and your body should a) welcome the break and b) respond better to them when used. You do give yourself a pounding, I'm not saying you need to deload again already but I do think you may benefit from a change in volume/intensity. It alway slooks good on paper but not everyone can go that hard that consistantly.
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 14 April 2010 01:34
what are these wraps I hear speak of?
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 14 April 2010 08:23
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Heyup mate, just popping my head in to say I've not forgot about you.  Got a lot going off at the min but I'll be back posting regular soon.
Hope all is well

No worries fella. I read about the state of play in your journal and everything I was going to say sounded a bit redundant so I went with the say nuffin option.

AWG

you said you failed.....since when was decline pressing 40kg failing? lol

I used to be better at incline pressing than flat, in relative terms, definitely need to start making more of an effort. Think I'm going to go back to incline pressing with the bar, then flat dumbbells and flies.

crying freeman

It's funny, my garage/gym is just the opposite, glad spring is here as it's just getting above 0'c in there now lol
I actually started sweating last night...but that could be me actually putting some effort in before you say anything!

You're probably right that I prefer the too hot option to the too cold. I had enough of training in Mahatma Koat at the old gym.

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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 14 April 2010 08:30
daKensta

what are these wraps I hear speak of?

Are you going unequipped then?
I have no idea what make my knee wraps are other than they are blue and black and, so I thought, a fairly tight weave. They seem positively weedy compared to the ones on sale at the powerlifting comp. which were err black and gold and extremely strong. Deadward bought a pair and it'll be interesting to see how much they add to his squat -I'm predicting quite a bit.

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I am always seeing lots of extra rep (forced, paused etc etc). Use them sparing and your body should a) welcome the break and b) respond better to them when used. You do give yourself a pounding, I'm not saying you need to deload again already but I do think you may benefit from a change in volume/intensity. It alway slooks good on paper but not everyone can go that hard that consistantly.

I'm not going to get the results I want by training within myself mate.
Push, push, push it's the only way. I did tone it back a notch for last night though.


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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 14 April 2010 08:37
Legs.

Pre-Exhaust
Leg-Ext
stack x 10 +drops of 3plates for 5reps
stack x 7 +drops of 3plates for 3reps
stack x 5 +drops of 3plates for 3reps
-burnnnnnn

Front Squat
20-60-70 fat bar abandonded at this point
90-100
120 x 6
felt fairly good there might've been another couple of cr@ppy reps to grind out but I left 'em for next week
I'm happier aiming for 120 x 8 than another pop at 140 I know that much

Back Squat
70-90-120
140 x 10
140 x 6
nice reps, good depth, nothing too heroic

15min fat burn
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Re:The Return of the jedi ..2010 pix p126 - 14 April 2010 12:44
Your front squat will soon surpass my back squat 

That's some good going though.




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