Theoretical question about cutting

I've read that its possible (And perhaps optimal) to alter between catabolic and anabolic states when cutting so that you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Or perhaps, lose fat and minimize any muscle loss at the very least.
 
Is the basis of this hiking up calories 2/3hours before and after workout? Whilst being in a calorie deficit at all other times?
 
Sorry if this is a bit noobish.

Simple answer, no.

Can you please explain why? Sorry for my ignorance. It makes logical sense to me, but maybe my logic is flawed.
 
Forgive me of insulting anyone, my intention is not to offend, only to educate myself.
 
My logic was that, to get the most intensity out of your workouts. You should load calories several hours before workout. IE this giving you more energy for your workout.
 
Then increased calories post workout because this is after you have broken down your muscles and are in a catabolic state.
 
Then my assumption was to keep your calories at a deficit at all other times so that you reduce fat.
 
Can you tell me where my logic is wrong, and what i have read is incorrect, or i have misunderstood something. Again, ill repeat. Sorry for my ignorance, i just want to learn and understand.

In a sense, timing your nutrients may help you maintain muscle mass, but only if that's when gives you the best performance.
 
But that's down to personal preference, some people even train fasted.
Your body's composition will come down to 24hr net energy balance (and macro nutrient composition)
 
If you eat all your calories before you workout, it will still be getting digested for hours after your workout.
 
Only reason to time nutrients is simply for personal preference and performance IMO.
 
Where your logic is wrong is you're over complicating something as simple as energy in vs energy out over a 24 hour period.

Right, i read that it takes about 2-3 hours after eating something for your blood glucose to be at its highest level. So therefore logically, if you want to get the most out of your workouts, you will want to manipulate your carbs in such a way that you consume a good amount in the meal a few hours before workout.
 
That is working on the premise that you want to get the most out of your workouts whilst cutting. Why wouldnt you?
 
Also, your body can shift between anabolic and catabolic states quickly. Commonly people have a protein shake pre/post workout  or when they first wake up in the morning. This is because there body is in the most catabolic state at this time. Wouldnt it make the most sense to load your calories/protein more at these times times than at others? All things being equal, assuming you consume the same ammount of calories per day.
 
To me, this logically seems like it would allow you to perform better in the gym and avoid muscle wastage.
 
Again i could be off. I am just using logic and scatterings of information i have read from various sources. 
 
Thanks for the discussion.

Yeah, you want to time your nutrition to get the most out of your workouts.  How people feel after a carb heavy meal is a personal response.  I feel great, someone else might feel like crap.  It depends on insulin sensitivity/secretion.
 
Your body is constantly changing between catabolic and anabolic states.  Which out weighs the other dictates weight loss or gain.
 
Fat oxidation is a catabolic process, hence why in a caloric deficit you lose fat.  But when you look at your diet as a whole, if you're in an overall deficit nothing's going to change the fact that catabolic processes are outweighing anabolic process.
 
You're right, if you can time your nutrients to suit you and give you your best performance the risk of muscle loss will be decreased.

Thanks, i guess we agree then. Nice talking with you sir :-)
Very informative.

If your interested in this kind of manipulation of nutrient timing here's a very interesting article. I haven't tried it but may be of some benefit to you

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

Yes this is very interesting to me.
 
Thanks for the link, i'm going to read it now. 

^ at that post.
 
That's just a variation of carb cycling.
At the end of the day it's very unlikely that anyone will gain muscle while in an overall deficit.  There are exceptions to this of course such as:
Genetic freak, Using drugs or very new to training in which the stimulus from resistance training alone is sufficient to gain lean mass.
 
Another exception could be, following a verrrrry complicated manipulation such as lyle mcdonald's UD2.0 or a leangains approach.  But even then, it's not well proven.
 
For the lay person, they will get no where trying to gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously.  I myself stalled after a few months and went no where after that.

I would have thought that the process of muscle growth requires excess calories over several days following a workout, simply having a large intake straight after your workout won't do much if you are then following it with a long period of low calories.

Yeah you are right, i was thinking more about muscle preservation though.