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This debate is the triumph of communism over common sense.

Complete utter nonsense. I don't truck with no commies and I still think Tom Cruise is a tool

This comment was in relation to people seeing Scientology as worse than any other religion.

IMO they only think that because Scientology steals money off people. Profiting from the desperate, must thus be seen as far worse than causing death and destruction...if that's the case. Therefore my comment on Communism trumping common sense. If Scientology was free, or even a few hundred yrs old, people would leave them alone.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

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Saying Physcology is useless....is far, far, far better....than saying:

You mean psychiatry, don't you?

- kill yourself and virgins will shag you
- don't wear condoms it's against God's wishes
- AIDs is Gods way of punishing homosexuals

Actually it's just as bad.

Telling people who suffer from mental illness that they're just weak and need to abandon their medications and 'pull themselves together' is, I'd say, nothing short of evil.

Even the Church of England preaches more dangerous messages than Scientology - messages like how the rule of law should be bent, to allow different "rules" to apply to one section of society than another, and that this is honestly how a secular society should work.

Not sure specifically what you're going on about here.

It's not just as bad.

Making a person with a mental illness feel worse about themselves....is no where near as bad as telling a nation of 40% HIV infected people to avoid condoms.

You have totally lost perspective - feeling bad = better that killing other innocent people or dieing.

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Wow.

If any MOD be reading this, lock requested.

*makes note to self, humour left this place long ago*

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

This debate is the triumph of communism over common sense.

Complete utter nonsense. I don't truck with no commies and I still think Tom Cruise is a tool

This comment was in relation to people seeing Scientology as worse than any other religion.

IMO they only think that because Scientology steals money off people. Profiting from the desperate, must thus be seen as far worse than causing death and destruction...if that's the case. Therefore my comment on Communism trumping common sense. If Scientology was free, or even a few hundred yrs old, people would leave them alone.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Then your comprehension skills must be lacking.

I believe people mostly hate Scientology, not simply because they talk bollocks, but because they charge for it.

If it was was free....people would treat it more closely to how they treat every other religion.

Because of this, I think that people are seeing the charging aspect as worst of all - which makes no sense. Surely it's worse to promote war, than it is to ask for a few bob. If you believe it isn't, then I'd see that as communism trumping common sense.

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

It's not just as bad.

Making a person with a mental illness feel worse about themselves....is no where near as bad as telling a nation of 40% HIV infected people to avoid condoms.

You have totally lost perspective - feeling bad = better that killing other innocent people or dieing.

You clearly have some reading to do about the approach of Scientology towards medical psychiatry and the consequences of their doctrine.

You keep trying to make Scientology seem like a benign community. It isn't.

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Then your comprehension skills must be lacking.

I believe people mostly hate Scientology, not simply because they talk bollocks, but because they charge for it.

If it was was free....people would treat it more closely to how they treat every other religion.

Because of this, I think that people are seeing the charging aspect as worst of all - which makes no sense. Surely it's worse to promote war, than it is to ask for a few bob. If you believe it isn't, then I'd see that as communism trumping common sense.

Please can you spell out - in simple terms that even an idiot like me can understand - what exactly communism has to do with attitudes towards Scientology?

Thanks.

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Finance has nothing to do with it.
If you want to play the cash card, then how about other religions taxing via proxy; state institute etc.
How many religious wars were fought with taxed money?

I think the reason people have an issue with Scientology, is that it is a work of fiction, and quite clearly so.
Go read a few of Hubbard's old books and you'll see that the idea was an embryo is his earlier pulp.
Or are those works of fiction now perceived to be religious and sacred doctrines/mandates/texts?

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Finance has nothing to do with it.
If you want to play the cash card, then how about other religions taxing via proxy; state institute etc.
How many religious wars were fought with taxed money?

I think the reason people have an issue with Scientology, is that it is a work of fiction, and quite clearly so.
Go read a few of Hubbard's old books and you'll see that the idea was an embryo is his earlier pulp.
Or are those works of fiction now perceived to be religious and sacred doctrines/mandates/texts?

Do you know how the book of mormon was written?

A guy stuck his head in a hat and talked for a few hrs, and someone else wrote it down.

How about other religious books? Without wishing to offend anyone (unlike you lot will have already offended many Scientologists), every religious doctrine I'm aware of.....sounds like utter bollocks, and is obviously a work of either fiction, or delusion.

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Then your comprehension skills must be lacking.

I believe people mostly hate Scientology, not simply because they talk bollocks, but because they charge for it.

If it was was free....people would treat it more closely to how they treat every other religion.

Because of this, I think that people are seeing the charging aspect as worst of all - which makes no sense. Surely it's worse to promote war, than it is to ask for a few bob. If you believe it isn't, then I'd see that as communism trumping common sense.

Please can you spell out - in simple terms that even an idiot like me can understand - what exactly communism has to do with attitudes towards Scientology?

Thanks.

that I believe one of the main reasons it's attacked so much is because they charge lots of money, and advancement in the religion is mostly down to paying ever larger sums of money.

if it was free, I believe it'd be attacked less.

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

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Please can you spell out - in simple terms that even an idiot like me can understand - what exactly communism has to do with attitudes towards Scientology?

Thanks.

that I believe one of the main reasons it's attacked so much is because they charge lots of money, and advancement in the religion is mostly down to paying ever larger sums of money.

if it was free, I believe it'd be attacked less.

What's that got to do with communism?

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cult.

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

If that's the case, why criticise Scientology as if it's far worse?

It's not imo - it's much safer.

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cult.

Difference being?

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Tomatoe, tomato.

ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2

ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

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Please can you spell out - in simple terms that even an idiot like me can understand - what exactly communism has to do with attitudes towards Scientology?

Thanks.

that I believe one of the main reasons it's attacked so much is because they charge lots of money, and advancement in the religion is mostly down to paying ever larger sums of money.

if it was free, I believe it'd be attacked less.

What's that got to do with communism?

attacking someone for trying to sell a product - not forcing people to pay for it, but offering it for sale, and buyers accepting that offer, is communistic.

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ORIGINAL: Power Junkie

Tomatoe, tomato.

lol

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ORIGINAL: ThaiFighter

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

If that's the case, why criticise Scientology as if it's far worse?

Because the subject is about Tom Cruise & Scientology.

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ORIGINAL: JohnKerr2

What's that got to do with communism?

attacking someone for trying to sell a product - not forcing people to pay for it, but offering it for sale, and buyers accepting that offer, is communistic.

So the people who hand out free papers on the street - communists are they?

Those little crackers with cubes of cheese the lady hands out in Sainsbury's. Communist!

Wikipedia. Communists!

Muscletalk. Writhing hotbed of COMMUNISTS!

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I've already said I consider them all Grimm Fairy tales.
I've not defended one religion over another.

If that's the case, why criticise Scientology as if it's far worse?

Because the subject is about Tom Cruise & Scientology.

We're probably coming from the same angle then, and getting wires crossed.

Everytime Scientology is mentioned, the whole Internet explodes in "oooo, evil doers" and it's annoying how they are attacked far more than every other religion, imo, just because it's socially acceptable. Most people don't attack Christianity, Islam, Budism, etc etc....but Scientology is open game. If this post had been 4 pages of an assault on Cat Stevens people would have locked it ages ago...but since it's Tom Cruise...it's fair game for a laugh.

Note: I'm not religious myself, but I see the above as a bit biased.

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