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Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis

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2009/10/01 22:59:16 (permalink)

Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis

Hi All,
I am new to this awesome site and hope to become a regular user in the near future.
 
My topic is maybe an unfamiliar one to most users of this forum however i thought i would see what response i get.
 
This is my story and i will keep it short or i will be typing all night
 
I was diagnoised with ulcerative colitis in june 08. 2 weeks after being diagnoised i had my colon removed due to non of the drugs working to put the disease into remission, the surgeon said without the diseased colon being removed i would not of made it to see the following day. Things went from bad to worse with infections/losing 5 stone and not eating for weeks and being in hospital for 2 months. After my first stage operation the plan was to have further surgerys to remove the stoma bag and create a j-pouch. I can now say after 3 stages of precedures and 7 ops in total i feel i am now ready to return to the gym for some light training for the first time in 16 months.
 
Is there anybody that has had a j-pouch created and could give me some tips/advice on the changes that may have been made to training and diets?
 
Sorry to those who dont have a clue about ulcerative colitis,j-pouches etc, it really is a subject i guess you would only know/understand if you went through or know someone who went it. I had no understanding of it before it affected me.
 
Thanks for reading
 
Liam
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    tac
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/01 23:39:14 (permalink)
    Not an area that I know much about mate, so not sure theres much advice i can give, but just wanted to post to say your motivation and determination to train after all you've been through is truely inspirational, and good luck to you


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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 02:48:24 (permalink)
    I was supposed to have the 3 stage operation (6 months apart) done in Burton-on-Trent, but I refused to go through with it. I was referred to a specialist in Derby and he performed all 3 stages of the operation at the same time.  I was young and healthy so he had no problem doing it all at once.  It was a 7 hour operation.   I was supposed to stay in hospital for a minimum of 10 days, but I was out after 3 days. 
     
    I was diagnosed with severe Ulcerative colitis at 23 years old and had the operation at 26.  I am now 32.
     
    I live a completely normal life and nobody would even know that I have had the operation.  At the moment I am 16 stone with about 12-15% body fat at 6ft 2. 
     
    Having the operation saved my life.   I feel amazing (body and mind).  I am very happy in life. 
     
    The first few years after the op might be a bit up and down as your body adjusts.   Most of it is trial and error with what foods to eat.  To be honest the operation hasn’t stopped me from doing or eating anything.   The only difference since the operation is that I can’t produce solids, which means I have to go to the toilet more regular.
     
    The only thing I try to avoid is nuts (feels like sand paper on the way out).
     
    If I eat things like mushrooms, potato skins, peas, sweetcorn etc I have to chew them very well or cut them up really small because they don’t seem to digest and can bung you up.   I’m not really a vegetable eater but certain vegetables that don’t digest very well I tend to blend into mush then add them to the meal.
     
    I don’t know if you have problems passing wind or not, but I haven’t farted since the operation (about 6 years ago).  My belly can get a bit bloated so what I have to do is squeeze the wind out when I go to the toilet (I have massive stomach muscles like bricks from all the squeezing lol).
     
    The first few years I was taking Imodium a few times a day, but then saw another doctor who prescribed Mebeverine to take as well.  Since then my body seems to have adjusted and now I hardly take anything.
     
    I don’t know how long it’s been since your last operation but take it easy at first, don’t try lifting too heavy. 
      
     

     
     


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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 09:53:21 (permalink)
    theres a load of people with crohns ans uc on this site check out this link has lots of good info  http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=2020553&high=colitis

    i nearly had to have surgery over  ago but luckily pulled thro!

    there was a rally great vid on youtube on training the j pouch from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvsnbWlk4-w  hes done a 500 lbs bench and 700 lb deadlift with j pouch!! unfortunately hes taken his vid explaining his battle but i emailed him and he was nice guy, try the same , he gave me long detailed responses on training and j pouch
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 13:05:34 (permalink)
    My mate has collitus.  That's all I know about it but good luck etc!
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 18:34:39 (permalink)
    I've got crohns and currently got the bag, altho looking to have a j pouch operation in the future.

    So while I can't speak from experience, i would guess that you can train as normal, but maybe be careful when training abs, at least for the first couple of months - I suppose that will mean you should also initially start off cautious on compund exercises where u have to use your core.

    When i train abs i feel like i've twisted something so don't know what's going on there....
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 19:23:13 (permalink)
    tac

    Not an area that I know much about mate, so not sure theres much advice i can give, but just wanted to post to say your motivation and determination to train after all you've been through is truely inspirational, and good luck to you


    Thanks for the kind words mate, all the best.
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 19:46:29 (permalink)
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    I was supposed to have the 3 stage operation (6 months apart) done in Burton-on-Trent, but I refused to go through with it. I was referred to a specialist in Derby and he performed all 3 stages of the operation at the same time.  I was young and healthy so he had no problem doing it all at once.  It was a 7 hour operation.   I was supposed to stay in hospital for a minimum of 10 days, but I was out after 3 days. 
     
    I was diagnosed with severe Ulcerative colitis at 23 years old and had the operation at 26.  I am now 32.
     
    I live a completely normal life and nobody would even know that I have had the operation.  At the moment I am 16 stone with about 12-15% body fat at 6ft 2. 
     
    Having the operation saved my life.   I feel amazing (body and mind).  I am very happy in life. 
     
    The first few years after the op might be a bit up and down as your body adjusts.   Most of it is trial and error with what foods to eat.  To be honest the operation hasn’t stopped me from doing or eating anything.   The only difference since the operation is that I can’t produce solids, which means I have to go to the toilet more regular.
     
    The only thing I try to avoid is nuts (feels like sand paper on the way out).
     
    If I eat things like mushrooms, potato skins, peas, sweetcorn etc I have to chew them very well or cut them up really small because they don’t seem to digest and can bung you up.   I’m not really a vegetable eater but certain vegetables that don’t digest very well I tend to blend into mush then add them to the meal.
     
    I don’t know if you have problems passing wind or not, but I haven’t farted since the operation (about 6 years ago).  My belly can get a bit bloated so what I have to do is squeeze the wind out when I go to the toilet (I have massive stomach muscles like bricks from all the squeezing lol).
     
    The first few years I was taking Imodium a few times a day, but then saw another doctor who prescribed Mebeverine to take as well.  Since then my body seems to have adjusted and now I hardly take anything.
     
    I don’t know how long it’s been since your last operation but take it easy at first, don’t try lifting too heavy. 
      
     

     
     



    Thanks for sharing your experiences with me mate. Good on you for doing your homework and getting op in 1 stage, wow that would of made a difference in recovery time.
    I was 26 when diagnoised and only had UC for 11 days before they operated, i had no time to come to terms with the situation and still have not recovered fully mentally. I have just turned 28 and had my last op (takedown) 9 weeks ago.
    Good to hear you are happy with your life now. Are you bigger/stronger now then you were pre UC?
    I also have avoided nuts, just scared to eat em lol. I think i am doing quite well in my recovery so far, i have just returned to full time work for the first time in 15 months. I am using the toilet about 6-8 times a day and my wounds have healed (looks a mess but never mind).
    Yep i know what you mean mate about passing wind, i have farted a few times but it can be risky
    How are you with the powder supps? Might look at starting soon. Do you train abs?
     
    Thanks again mate, i will take your advice and go easy at first
     
     
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 19:53:50 (permalink)
    odog

    theres a load of people with crohns ans uc on this site check out this link has lots of good info  http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=2020553&high=colitis

    i nearly had to have surgery over  ago but luckily pulled thro!

    there was a rally great vid on youtube on training the j pouch from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvsnbWlk4-w  hes done a 500 lbs bench and 700 lb deadlift with j pouch!! unfortunately hes taken his vid explaining his battle but i emailed him and he was nice guy, try the same , he gave me long detailed responses on training and j pouch


    Cheers Odog. Well done for pulling through buddy. The guy on youtube you are refuring to is his name Daleer? If it is i have exchanged some emails with him, that guy must be famous and is a true inspiration. Will check out the link you have sent, thanks again.
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 19:54:24 (permalink)
    Faux Real

    My mate has collitus.  That's all I know about it but good luck etc!


    Thanks Buddy
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 20:08:33 (permalink)
    Lonsdale

    I've got crohns and currently got the bag, altho looking to have a j pouch operation in the future.

    So while I can't speak from experience, i would guess that you can train as normal, but maybe be careful when training abs, at least for the first couple of months - I suppose that will mean you should also initially start off cautious on compund exercises where u have to use your core.

    When i train abs i feel like i've twisted something so don't know what's going on there....


    Hi Mate, thanks for the advice and if theres any questions on the j-pouch just contact me. All the best
     
    Liam
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 20:23:03 (permalink)
    liamb7

    odog

    theres a load of people with crohns ans uc on this site check out this link has lots of good info  http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=2020553&high=colitis

    i nearly had to have surgery over  ago but luckily pulled thro!

    there was a rally great vid on youtube on training the j pouch from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvsnbWlk4-w  hes done a 500 lbs bench and 700 lb deadlift with j pouch!! unfortunately hes taken his vid explaining his battle but i emailed him and he was nice guy, try the same , he gave me long detailed responses on training and j pouch


    Cheers Odog. Well done for pulling through buddy. The guy on youtube you are refuring to is his name Daleer? If it is i have exchanged some emails with him, that guy must be famous and is a true inspiration. Will check out the link you have sent, thanks again.


    yea mate thats him Daleer he gave me light at the end of the tunnel i thought i never be able to train again!!  sounds like you've been thro the worst and are the right track now
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 21:11:00 (permalink)
    odog

    liamb7

    odog

    theres a load of people with crohns ans uc on this site check out this link has lots of good info  http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=2020553&high=colitis

    i nearly had to have surgery over  ago but luckily pulled thro!

    there was a rally great vid on youtube on training the j pouch from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvsnbWlk4-w  hes done a 500 lbs bench and 700 lb deadlift with j pouch!! unfortunately hes taken his vid explaining his battle but i emailed him and he was nice guy, try the same , he gave me long detailed responses on training and j pouch


    Cheers Odog. Well done for pulling through buddy. The guy on youtube you are refuring to is his name Daleer? If it is i have exchanged some emails with him, that guy must be famous and is a true inspiration. Will check out the link you have sent, thanks again.


    yea mate thats him Daleer he gave me light at the end of the tunnel i thought i never be able to train again!!  sounds like you've been thro the worst and are the right track now


    Yeah mate he really helped me through some difficult times aswell. I suppose its a confidence thing with me at the moment, its been so long since i was training and i dont want to do myself any damage. I will join back up next week and take it easy for a while.
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 21:34:35 (permalink)
    i rem when i came out of hospital jan, last year.  4 stone lighter and i couldnt even walk i was so weak, i has so many other problems too.  now i train 6 x per week.  had a exhibition thai boxing bout last month.  feel not far off my best shape ever.  doesnt take long.  just listen to your body, you know when you ve done too much.  take each week as it comes., you ll get there!
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/02 21:42:02 (permalink)
    Cheers Odog, your right in what you say, i wanna hit the gym right now lol.
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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/03 02:13:48 (permalink)
    The biggest I was before the operation was about 14 stone with higher body fat.  The biggest I have been since the operation is about 17 stone (natural), but have just cut down to 16 with lower body fat than before the op.
     
    I normally eat small but regular, every 2-3 hours.  Just lately I’ve been eating a lot less because I’m cutting, but will soon go back up to 6-8 meals a day.
     
    I have no problem with any supplements.  I prefer proper food as I love cooking and spend a lot of time in the kitchen, but I do take whey protein powder when needed.  I have taken all different kinds of protein powders, but at the moment I love the unflavoured whey from either Bulkpowders or Myprotein (I now use powdered skimmed milk for shakes).  I also take creatine capsules now and again with amino acid tablets and various other vitamins and supplements.
     
    I think I can eat and drink anything.  I can’t think of anything I actually avoid eating apart from nuts.  I have a very wide selection of food I normally eat.  I don’t really eat takeaways or junk food only when I go to my mums.  I have a bucket of chicken on a Saturday night.  I have no problem eating any food; I just choose not to eat much junk like crisps, chocolate, sweets, cakes etc.
     
    Everybody is different so I don’t know if any type of food will affect you.  I guess it’s just a bit of trial and error.  Maybe some foods will affect you at first as it’s not long since the last op, but your body will probably adjust and get better in time.  It was a few years after the op till I felt this good in body and mind. 
     
    As for training abs, I don’t really do any direct training but I feel my abs getting hit from other exercises.  I think my core is pretty good especially from years of stomach squeezing.   Every now and again I will use an ab roller for situps.
     
    Don’t worry about the scar.  Mine also looked a mess because I was stapled.  It was quite wide near the bottom and a bit raised at the top, but when it fades (takes a long time) it looked much better.  I did have scar revision to make it into a pencil line, except that didn’t go according to plan as it wasn’t stitched very well.  It looks ok though.  It’s now flat at the top but still wider at the bottom but better than before.  It doesn’t even bother me now what it looks like.
     
     

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    Re:Training with a j-pouch after beating Ulcerative colitis 2009/10/04 00:22:28 (permalink)
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    The biggest I was before the operation was about 14 stone with higher body fat.  The biggest I have been since the operation is about 17 stone (natural), but have just cut down to 16 with lower body fat than before the op.
     
    I normally eat small but regular, every 2-3 hours.  Just lately I’ve been eating a lot less because I’m cutting, but will soon go back up to 6-8 meals a day.
     
    I have no problem with any supplements.  I prefer proper food as I love cooking and spend a lot of time in the kitchen, but I do take whey protein powder when needed.  I have taken all different kinds of protein powders, but at the moment I love the unflavoured whey from either Bulkpowders or Myprotein (I now use powdered skimmed milk for shakes).  I also take creatine capsules now and again with amino acid tablets and various other vitamins and supplements.
     
    I think I can eat and drink anything.  I can’t think of anything I actually avoid eating apart from nuts.  I have a very wide selection of food I normally eat.  I don’t really eat takeaways or junk food only when I go to my mums.  I have a bucket of chicken on a Saturday night.  I have no problem eating any food; I just choose not to eat much junk like crisps, chocolate, sweets, cakes etc.
     
    Everybody is different so I don’t know if any type of food will affect you.  I guess it’s just a bit of trial and error.  Maybe some foods will affect you at first as it’s not long since the last op, but your body will probably adjust and get better in time.  It was a few years after the op till I felt this good in body and mind. 
     
    As for training abs, I don’t really do any direct training but I feel my abs getting hit from other exercises.  I think my core is pretty good especially from years of stomach squeezing.   Every now and again I will use an ab roller for situps.
     
    Don’t worry about the scar.  Mine also looked a mess because I was stapled.  It was quite wide near the bottom and a bit raised at the top, but when it fades (takes a long time) it looked much better.  I did have scar revision to make it into a pencil line, except that didn’t go according to plan as it wasn’t stitched very well.  It looks ok though.  It’s now flat at the top but still wider at the bottom but better than before.  It doesn’t even bother me now what it looks like.
     
     


    Thanks again mate for sharing your info and experiences. Its nice to know your living a "normal" life after having j-pouch surgery. I will start with small amounts of protein powder and see how i get on.
     
    My surgeon has said i can have my scaring re-done but i told him not in the near future as i am done with hospitals at the mo. I am using some oils on the scar to see if that has any affect.
     
    Cheers buddy, i feel more confident now and am now looking forward to a light workout next week
     
     
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