True Horror - Historys most violent

Countess Bathory would probably come close, based on the nature of her killings more than the number though (she only killed 600 or so I think). She was more twisted than Vlad though - whereas Vlad seemed to kill mainly for political and punitive reasons, Bathory was just sadistic and got her jollies from mutilating young girls for no apparent reason.

Not sure of the numbers since the sources are now lost, but there was a doctor, Erasistratus, based in the medical school in Alexandria during the 3rd century B.C. who would systematically dissect prisoners live to prove his medical theories.

ShadowMan

Bullmastiff
 
 
Give the guy a break. 
 

 
  
i can understand he wasnt going to turn out normal - but he pushed the envelope a little too far too dont you think?

Yes he did.
 
I think the method he used to execute was a direct result of his experiences as a child and he saw it as revenge.
 
After seeing this done to people a few hundred times he was probably numb to it and wouldnt think twice about ordering another victim to be impaled which I think explains the mass of people he killed.
 
 
 

phmcgru
 

Either that or the sick part is linked to the pleasure part is some deformed way!!

 
Agreed.
 
This is the case in alot of child abusers that were themselves abused.

Vlad left a golden, bejewelled goblet by a well so folk could drink and it never got stolen. Actually it got stolen twice, the first time he impaled the thief and all twelve of his family, the second time the thief's father returned the goblet and informed on his son. Only one spike was needed that time (for the son, the father was excused and his family saved because of his public-spiritedness) It never got stolen again. Does the end justify the means ? For the years he ruled his country was virtually crime free and trade increased massively as anyone corrupt went on a spike too

Fat Pete

For the years he ruled his country was virtually crime free and trade increased massively as anyone corrupt went on a spike too

That's a lot of spikes in today's Parliament. Do we have enough material?

Apparently a turkish emissary visited him to give a message from the Turkish emir or whatever and thinking he was immune due to his position refused to remove his hat in Vlads presence. Hat was duly nailed/impaled to his head lol.

Bet he was great at parties though.

rightyho

Fat Pete

For the years he ruled his country was virtually crime free and trade increased massively as anyone corrupt went on a spike too

That's a lot of spikes in today's Parliament. Do we have enough material?

It was a lot of spikes in his day too.
 
We could possibly do the top ten and give the others a week to get their act together in the interests of conservation. Watching a greased pole slide up someones ringpiece until it exits the mouth, at which point their feet are nailed to it so that it slides no more and the real fun begins would convince me. Of course I can't speak for eveyone.
 
I just finished reading Vlad by CC Humphreys. Interesting to say the least

  The beauty of such a system is that , as suggested you only have to show you are serious , and everything falls into place - I'd guess we'd only have to impale a few people and we'd suddenly see more reform than yu could shake a stick at 

    Inhumane ?  ..... nah ! ..... Letting a pair of child killers out after 8 years is inhumane
         

ShadowMan


 
I watched a program last night called True Horror and it was about Vlad the Impaler (for those of you who have Sky Anytime TV you can still watch this)
 
now i knew a bit about Vlad before this as most of us will know Dracula is based around this man and his nickname gives it away that he impaled his victims - but what i didnt know was the actual method he used but i found out last night and it really disturbed me?!
Often Vlad was involved personally too?! they would get a long stalk and grease it up and then shove it up the victims backside(and yes his victims were men,women and children apparently) and then they would raise the stalk up and stick in the ground leaving you to slowly descend down the greasy stalk in agonising pain as he watched and sometimes even ate while listening to your screams
he even massacared his own people and impaled them then lined them up as a deterrent to the invading Turks who said to themselves if he can do this to his own people what on earth will he do to us and promptly returned back?! 

 
That method of impalement is still used in arab countries in mob justice, there is videos on the net, quite horrific. Especially with all the children watching clapping and cheering such torture, makes you want to puke.

I've read snippets about the nazi doctors and experiments and it's pretty damn horrific. Plus seen a programme of Lady bathery(sp) and Vlad.

Pee Wee Gaksin(serial killer) is pretty bad....I'm pretty sure he tortured his victims and forced them to eat themselves.

Albert Fish is another vile human being....sadistic in every way.

There is also a story(probably exaggerated) of a French lady in America that would torture her black slaves and that was pretty bad...I'll try and find a link.

http://jhb15.tripod.com/midnight/id19.html


The ones that involve torture are always the worst.

Dav


Apparently a turkish emissary visited him to give a message from the Turkish emir or whatever and thinking he was immune due to his position refused to remove his hat in Vlads presence. Hat was duly nailed/impaled to his head lol.

 
the documentary i saw mentioned the turkish emissaries kneeled down to Vlad out of respect to Vlad but didnt know Vlad thought they were disrespecting him by not removing their hats - they made it sound like a bit of culturing misunderstanding led to the emissaries having their hats nailed to their heads
 
MrBrownstone - i had a quick check on the net and sadly it looks like impalement has been used by a number of countries as a form of punishment
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement

some people are just born sadists/psychopaths. Usually the early signs are cruelty to animals.

Anyone who read "The Iceman" knows how truly horrific a person can be to another human being
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski
On Youtube you can watch him in a series of documentaries made by HBO before he died.
One passage I remember especially was where he said he used a screwdriver on his victims spine to immobilize him before beating him slowly to death.
Another was where he shoved a flare up a victims anus and set it off.
Or where he tied a victim up naked in a cave full of giant rats and filmed the rats eating the guy alive.
He was a mafia hit man btw.

yeah I've seen Iceman tapes or something....I remember actually watching it for the first time on xmas day...massive bloke as well, would of made a good strongman.

Yeah anyone who is capable of doing these crimes are sociopaths....add in some trigger...usually bad childhoods and you got a very dangerous person.

Northern Rocker


some people are just born sadists/psychopaths.
Anyone who read "The Iceman" knows how truly horrific a person can be to another human being

Surely his actions were the result of his upbringing?
 
I've also read the book and it goes into detail about what went on at home when he was a kid. Explains why his younger brother turned out to be a rapist and murderer too.

to kill one person is murder, to kill a million is just statistic

Bullmastiff

Northern Rocker


some people are just born sadists/psychopaths.
Anyone who read "The Iceman" knows how truly horrific a person can be to another human being

Surely his actions were the result of his upbringing?
 
I've also read the book and it goes into detail about what went on at home when he was a kid. Explains why his younger brother turned out to be a rapist and murderer too.

I think a lot is genetic, otherwise there would be a whole load more sociopaths.

Most evil person in history probably isnt even documented or at best is little known. If you're looking for mass number then Hitler and Stalin are up there, but I suspect that the African nations through the ages have a few regemes and dictators that would compare. At the time of Bandaid in the 80's people interviewed in Addis ababa claimed to know nothing of starving millions living nearby. How many died? Whats changed?
Evil actions pale into significance next to evil inaction IMO.

dats deep brah