True Horror - Historys most violent

 
I watched a program last night called True Horror and it was about Vlad the Impaler (for those of you who have Sky Anytime TV you can still watch this)
 
now i knew a bit about Vlad before this as most of us will know Dracula is based around this man and his nickname gives it away that he impaled his victims - but what i didnt know was the actual method he used but i found out last night and it really disturbed me?!
Often Vlad was involved personally too?! they would get a long stalk and grease it up and then shove it up the victims backside(and yes his victims were men,women and children apparently) and then they would raise the stalk up and stick in the ground leaving you to slowly descend down the greasy stalk in agonising pain as he watched and sometimes even ate while listening to your screams
he even massacared his own people and impaled them then lined them up as a deterrent to the invading Turks who said to themselves if he can do this to his own people what on earth will he do to us and promptly returned back?!
 
truly a sick man - has there really been anyone worse than this psycho? guys in the 20th Century like Richard Trenton Chase or that Russian mass murderer are extreme but even they pale in comparison to Vlad
 
i struggle to believe people can become so sick and twisted?!

surely fritzl is as sick as this?

kaldog


surely fritzl is as sick as this?

I wouldn't put Fritzl in the same league as someone reported to have had between 40,000-100,00 put to death, especially considering his methods described above.

What people have managed to do and also still do to one another throughout history up to present day is truely shocking.
At least Vlad and his cronies didnt have they ability to film it and post it up on the internet.

ShadowMan
 
 
 
i struggle to believe people can become so sick and twisted?!

 
Give the guy a break.
 
His own father gave him and his brother away to their arch enemy the Turks when they were just children and they were regularly raped.
 
Wasn't going to turn out normal was he!

If you re talking in terms of scale id enter somebody like Stalin into the mix, during his era in the USSR tens of millions were massacred.

Bullmastiff
 
 
Give the guy a break. 
 

 
lol so i guess Hitler should be given a break too because the germans believed the jews sold them out in World War I and used this to justify his propaganda against them?
maybe Fritzl's daughters will turn out to be violent and crazy people too?
 
i can understand he wasnt going to turn out normal - but he pushed the envelope a little too far too dont you think? he had a very good education too so its not like he knew nothing but violence

These people must not have the part of the brain that tells them what they are doing is sick. Either that of the sick part is linked to the pleasure part is some deformed way!!

Dave284


If you re talking in terms of scale id enter somebody like Stalin into the mix, during his era in the USSR tens of millions were massacred.

I read a biography of Stalin last year - apparently when he made speeches to senior party members, they had to have a guy whose duty it was to ring a bell to signal the end of the standing ovation that was obligatory every few sentences...  no one dared to be the first to stop applauding and sit down, because if Stalin noticed you'd be taken out and shot...  so the bell was essential to stop the applause going on virtually indefinitely. Apparently he was a terrible public speaker too, and talked b*llocks in a heavy georgian accent (which to Muscovites sounds very 'country bumpkin')...

Imagine inspiring that much fear in people....

PS - google Josef Mengele if we're on the subject of true life monsters...

I recall reading that Vlad was portrayed negatively in parts of medieval Europe basically because of slander and propaganda, one of the earliest cases of a media smear campaign you might say (as this was around the time that printing became widespread)

TBH a lot of the rulers of that time were pretty brutal and he was no exception, but stories of his cruelty etc were exaggerated by rival rulers

In his own country he was (and still is) quite a popular figure I think

yes drab4 he is popular in his native country but still i see no good in the way he slaughtered people, there is no excuse for the torture of so many people
my brother lived in germany a few yrs back and said people talk highly of Hitler but theres no doubting Hitler was an evil man no matter how much his acts were to be exaggerated

ShadowMan


yes drab4 he is popular in his native country but still i see no good in the way he slaughtered people, there is no excuse for the torture of so many people
my brother lived in germany a few yrs back and said people talk highly of Hitler but theres no doubting Hitler was an evil man no matter how much his acts were to be exaggerated

I don't think anyone sees any good in the slaughter of people mate. What I'm saying is that some of the legend surrounding Vlad is probably fiction

As we're talking about WW2 as well, have a read about Unit 731 for some of the worst crimes of that period, it's pretty shocking stuff TBH

drab4



I don't think anyone sees any good in the slaughter of people mate. What I'm saying is that some of the legend surrounding Vlad is probably fiction

As we're talking about WW2 as well, have a read about Unit 731 for some of the worst crimes of that period, it's pretty shocking stuff TBH

Very, very shocking stuff! And, worse, many of those involved 'got away with it', thanks mainly to the US government brokering a deal in exchange for their bio-weapons research data! A couple of the scientists involved in disecting live prisoners went on to become CEOs of top american and japanese companies after the far and lived to a ripe old age wealthy and succesful, as pillars of the community. Disgusting.

drab4

I don't think anyone sees any good in the slaughter of people mate. What I'm saying is that some of the legend surrounding Vlad is probably fiction

 
totally agree im sure some of it is fiction - its just that we understand people will get killed/murdered/executed but what i dont understand is how someone can torture another, a slow death since that gives you time to see,hear and feel someone die before you, that takes a special kind of sick person to torture a victim on such a widescale like Vlad did

PS - google Josef Mengele if we're on the subject of true life monsters...

agree with that tac , you don't earn a nickname like 'The Angel of Death' for nothing

A couple of observations.

- A lot of modern day 'monsters' use other people to do the business, ie they are detached from the violence to a degree, this is in stark contrast to Vlad and his ilk who seem to get off on this level of violence.

- Life back then was cheap in comparison tp ie we were at lost more used to death in our own families / communities and severe trauma.  We slaughtered and butchered our own animals so we were a bit more used to the gore.  Not saying that the behaviour wasn't shocking for it's time but I think it's reasonable to suggest that we are a bit more squeamish in modern times, thus the behaviour back then was probably a bit more acceptable.  (remember, (we) used to put people's severed heads on pikes on London bridge a few hundred years back and everyone used to enjoy a good execution - can you imagine that happening now?

lost

PS - google Josef Mengele if we're on the subject of true life monsters...

agree with that tac , you don't earn a nickname like 'The Angel of Death' for nothing

What really shocked me about Mengele was not so much the cold-bloodedness of his brutality (although that is pretty shocking), but that aparently he was known for his kindness.

The camp children knew hiw as 'Uncle Josef' and 'Mengele the Protector' because he would treat them well, give them candies, share jokes with them, and prevent the guards from treating them roughly... 

...imagine the mentality of someone that could form a relationship with a child, get to know them, give them sweeties and protect them, and THEN sow them to another child without anaesthetic before disecting them alive as part of an unnecessary and pointless scientific study into conjoined twins...

Drab4 mentioned Unit 731 - ive just had a read and that is some shocking stuff, in the same category as Mengele probably worse

ShadowMan


Drab4 mentioned Unit 731 - ive just had a read and that is some shocking stuff, in the same category as Mengele probably worse

Yep, and as mentioned above the real crime is that you never hear of the place.
 
Pretty much swept under tha carpet...