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UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 04:48 ( #1 )
I am a huge Machida fan but Shogun was robbed there, i scored the first to Machida and maybe the second but overall he was beaten bad. I definitely feel for Shogun there, poor bloke.
 
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 05:55 ( #2 )
Im not a big fan of either fighter but after that result im in a really bad mood.
Wasnt close and was never in a million years a unanimous one to machida


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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 08:22 ( #3 )
Shogun was robbed.He won at least 4 rounds and i hope he gets an immediate rematch.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 09:08 ( #4 )
LOL I havnt seen the video yet but from what i have read he was robbed. Got a message from my mate at about 6 am fing and blinding about how ****e the show was.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 10:48 ( #5 )
Disgrace of a decision. Shogun is one hard b**tard, while others have backed off when Machida attacked he stood solid and threw back causing Machida to back off. And how he could throw kicks like that after 2 knee reconstructions, very impressed with him tonight. Ben Rothwell was a major let down.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 11:14 ( #6 )
rothwell was pooooor... saying that, velasquez looked very good! never took his foot off the gas, relentless..
johnson looks like a genuine contender. just gone thru his previous fights and sh1t me he looks awesome!! not as refined as GSP, but a genuine threat i reckon.. serious hands and a good ground game!!
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 14:35 ( #7 )
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johnson looks like a genuine contender. just gone thru his previous fights and sh1t me he looks awesome!! not as refined as GSP, but a genuine threat i reckon.. serious hands and a good ground game!!


To bad he can't make weight!!

Having watched the show live (and being a Machida fanboy) I have to say that the decsison was disgracefull

me and my mate who I watched it with had it at 4-1 to Shogun, with the 1 round that Machida won being debtable
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 15:04 ( #8 )
i think it was really close!!  wdnt say it was a robbery tho by miles!!  really close decision that machida got .  only clear rd i had shogun winning was the last.  was a boring fight tho!

think shogun deserves a rematch tho.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 17:10 ( #9 )
yep he was without doubt robbed.




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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 17:13 ( #10 )
I had it scored 49-46 Shogun and so did the people I watched it with. Got to have a immediate rematch...... make it happen dana!
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 22:37 ( #12 )
I think it was closer than many people are saying, but there's no doubt that Shogun won that fight.
Don't say the old lady screamed. Bring her on and let her scream.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 25 October 2009 22:53 ( #13 )
Flop the judges final decision, the people all know who won that fight. I said he woulddo it.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 00:51 ( #14 )
I thought Machida won the fight and agree with the scoring. First 3 defo Machida rounds, 4th and 5th to Shogun.

Joe Rogan wouldn't stop kissing his ar*e! Constantly going on about Shogun's leg kicks and ignoring all the clean shots that Machida was landing.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 07:32 ( #15 )
I thought Shogun had the first(just), fourth and fifth. It was much closer than a lot of people are saying though.
Don't say the old lady screamed. Bring her on and let her scream.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 10:59 ( #16 )
interesting what dana says about mazagatti.. is it the licensing commission who apoint the refs in charge of the fights?? u'd think if he disliked him that much he could just get him out the UFC..??
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 11:49 ( #17 )
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interesting what dana says about mazagatti.. is it the licensing commission who apoint the refs in charge of the fights?? u'd think if he disliked him that much he could just get him out the UFC..??


If it was upto Dana, he would referee and judge the fights. The commision picks the referees.
 
There is a big gap between the best refs (McCarthey, Herb Dean, Yamasaki) and the guys who make constantly bad judgements in the UFC (Dan Mirgliatta, Yves Lavigne etc)
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 13:06 ( #18 )
shogun won every round, when theres no takedowns or grappling the judges are meant to score the fight on effective striking, octagon control and agression.

shogun landed more clean shots in every round and as he was throwing thai kicks rather then karate kicks he also hit harder.

shogun controlled the octagon and was more agressive  in every round a apart for about 20 second in the 3rd, he  was more agressive in every round including the majority of the 3rd.

those are the facts, the only thing machida did effectively was stuff shoguns shots and that only landed him in the 50/50 clinch were he got knee'ed and elbowed.
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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 13:15 ( #19 )
So disappointed with Rothwell, he didn't seem interested.

IMO Shogun won but I wasn't surprised by the decision, Shogun executed his game plan very well. I was surprised Machida didn't let his hands go and be more aggressive IMO if he did he could of got the (T)KO.

I'm glad Shogun lost I really really want to see Shogun v Silva. That would be a very interesting fight, though I'd like one of them to expose Rasad Evans.

Johnson v Daley/Swick theres another great possibility.
 

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Re:UFC 104 spoiler - 26 October 2009 13:53 ( #20 )
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shogun won every round, when theres no takedowns or grappling the judges are meant to score the fight on effective striking, octagon control and agression.

shogun landed more clean shots in every round and as he was throwing thai kicks rather then karate kicks he also hit harder.

shogun controlled the octagon and was more agressive  in every round a apart for about 20 second in the 3rd, he  was more agressive in every round including the majority of the 3rd.

those are the facts, the only thing machida did effectively was stuff shoguns shots and that only landed him in the 50/50 clinch were he got knee'ed and elbowed.


Im Sorry, but ive got to take issue with this.
 
First, there is not a chance Shogun won every round, you have to remember this is Machida's belt to lose, simply going out there and throw 1-2 combinations is not going to win you the belt, especially when more often than not in rounds 1 & 2 Machida's counters were much crisper and on the money.
 
Only when Machida lost mobility in his spring did Shogun start landing anything of significance and even then i saw only one clean shot connect with Machida's face (bloodied him up) and another hit him in the neck. The rest of the damage was to the torso and legs, to try and win a belt from a champion with body/leg kicks especially when he had Machida hurt many times and did not pursue is not going to cut a clear decision in any judges mind, it could have gone either way.
 
Rogans commentary is this match was disgusting and has turned me from a moderate fan into a "hater".
 
I had to rewatch several clips multiple times to actually comprehend that Joe was not recognising any of machida's landed shots (especially a few brutal knee's) but seemingly making love to every glancing blow Rua threw, it was simply unreal.
 
Its a paradox imo, did Rua win? Yes. Did he do enough to take the belt? No.
 
There is a difference in all combat sports, those who have ever competed for a belt will have been told this or know it from teachings.
 
Secondly, this is not fact as you say, its a subjective opinion based on the visual, audio and kinaesthetic information your brain took from the fight; in short your brain is bias lol.
 
I really wanted Rua to win as i am Muay Thai at my roots even though i transitioned into MMA, but when the final bell rang, i can say who i thought deserved to win, but i didnt have a clue who's hand would be raised.
 
Something interesting i picked up from Machida's corner was in the 4-5th round break his coach said "you have to find his timing!!!!", meaning even at that late stage he hadn't managed to get Rua's timings down which interests me as to the naked eye his movement was traditional Muay Thai, linear with a light front leg which i thought would have been the perfect meal for the dragon, obviously not lol.
 
Rothwell was terrible, tough as hell but completely under skilled to be fighting that calibre of fighter in his first fight, reminded me of a bigger Cabbage. Brock will cripple Cain. The only guy left with a shout is Nog with his diamond chin and submission skills.
 
I see an Anderson Silva Vs Rua fight sometime next year.
 
Suddenly the UFC divisions are looking extremely weak bar a few elite fighters in each division.
 
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