Ursolic acid instead of mthistle during cycle.

Hi,does anyone use this or Oleanolic acid for liver protection during a ph cycle,only asking because milk thistle gives me the skitters,tried two brands now and both have the same effect on me,plus if these two compounds can protect the liver and increase muscle,then would be better wouldn't it.
Thanks.

Run Liv -52 before, during, after. 
 
Maz

Yes,was gonna try liv 52,heard its easy on the guts,but was interested in ursolic acid  due to its anabolic/anti catabolic properties,and it being hepatoprotective.or maybe run it as part of pct.

brit iron
Hi,does anyone use this or Oleanolic acid for liver protection during a ph cycle,only asking because milk thistle gives me the skitters,tried two brands now and both have the same effect on me,plus if these two compounds can protect the liver and increase muscle,then would be better wouldn't it.
Thanks.

The only thing I would suggest using to prevent or reverse androgen-induced liver problems (cholestasis) would be UDCA or TUDCA, though there is certainly evidence of hepatoprotective (and anti-cholestatic) effects from ursolic acid. I have my doubts as to how much difference (if any) milk thistle or liv-52 actually make.

henryv

The only thing I would suggest using to prevent or reverse androgen-induced liver problems (cholestasis) would be UDCA or TUDCA

+1 to henryv (who as you know, know what he is talking about). Having done a lot of research recently, I've ordered Ursodiol, which happen to have arrived today.
 
Contrary to popular group think, milk thistle is not advisable on oral cycles. Fine to preload and on PCT (week 2-3) though.

Thanks for the info,and the link,interesting reading.didn't like the bit about them harvesting the acid from bile bears in china.If its true.
 
 

You may also find this blog post userful, which talks specifically about application to orals.
 
Another consideration, based on Russian sources, is that its primary mechanism of action is by strengthening the liver cells', which is undesirable on cycle, as it further interferes with the Biliary flow. Same reason it's advisable to pre-load (probably simultaneously with Hawthorn berry) and take it during the PCT.

Out of interest who sells Tauroursodeoxycholic acid or Ursodiol ?
 

ThermoLife's LiverLonger contains TUDCA (I haven't used it, so can't comment on the product).
UDCA/Ursodiol/Udiliv is a prescription-only medicine (so like other staple POMs, it's available online).

thanks :)
 
Henry could you clear this up - its the first for liver not second one.
Ursodesoxycholic acid
Ursolic acid
 
Just seen online site that had  Ursolic acid/UDCA as the same thing wiki says otherwise.

 

squid
thanks :)

Henry could you clear this up - its the first for liver not second one.
Ursodesoxycholic acid
Ursolic acid

Just seen online site that had  Ursolic acid/UDCA as the same thing wiki says otherwise.

Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) - bile acid shown to improve liver function during cholestasis.
Ursolic acid - has lots of different properties like increasing insulin sensitivity and being cardioprotective as well as being hepatoprotective.
Two different things, like you said.

KaKTy3


You may also find this blog post userful, which talks specifically about application to orals.

Another consideration, based on Russian sources, is that its primary mechanism of action is by strengthening the liver cells', which is undesirable on cycle, as it further interferes with the Biliary flow. Same reason it's advisable to pre-load (probably simultaneously with Hawthorn berry) and take it during the PCT.

thanks,been trying to track down some thermolife liverlonger,which has TUDCA like Henryv suggests,sold out everywhere ive looked in uk.must be popular.

KaKTy3

henryv

The only thing I would suggest using to prevent or reverse androgen-induced liver problems (cholestasis) would be UDCA or TUDCA

+1 to henryv (who as you know, know what he is talking about). Having done a lot of research recently, I've ordered Ursodiol, which happen to have arrived today.

Contrary to popular group think, milk thistle is not advisable on oral cycles. Fine to preload and on PCT (week 2-3) though.

Hi kakty3 - What are you going to run its as? 150mg or 300mg day of Udiliv/ursodiol day