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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 27 October 2008 21:16
haha...
i never really chat t anyone in my gym t be honest! been there since maybe, May time and theres a couple of people ill say 'how do' to, but none that id have a chat with.. at uni its a bit different, as usually theres a few pople i know but i try not t talk too long as they would prob keep me there all day!!

but yeah im likin trainin on my own t be honest!!
u likin the switch to the JJB then mate?

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 27 October 2008 21:21
JJbs is alright, can't say I like it over any other place TBH, kinda no better/no worse, does the job... it's a gym LOL. But yeah, no regrets as yet
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 27 October 2008 21:32
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Good news on the Mrs front mate.

Nice benching as well


cheers fella.. yeah its kinda perked me up nicely!!

dirty- i know wat ya mean.. i suppose as long as it caters ur strength, then the gym will be as good as u make it!! unless u have some t1ts actin up.. but i suppose a place like that would be fairly strict etc so not much of that happenin?!!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 28 October 2008 00:05
The gym I'm at now is a works one so during the day it's pretty quiet and when I often go in for a session it's only me. I have to turn the lights on and everything and I'm really starting to enjoy it.

I train in the power rack too so know if I fail a lift I'll be safe but there's a handy pull cord next to it which will alert security if I end up stapled under the bar!! The only problem really is unracking the bar. So I'm very impressed with your unspotted 150kg bench press!!

Also 60kg incline pressing? - Incredible Bulk better watch over his shoulder as you're fast catching him up on his 68.18kg incline presses
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 28 October 2008 10:16
haha.. cheers fella!! yeah i was surprised i unracked it myself, and normally i wouldnt attempt 150k just incase it was a slight off day and i wasnt able to get it, but they were nice and slow, controlled reps, but yeah dint fance bein stapled under neath it! but a 3rd was mine!
yeah i reckon i could get the 60's on incline at the moment, did 50's for 9-10 reps after a v heavy shoulder session so i reckon it can happen :-)!! bulk is goin up in weight every week so it'll be some task t catch him!!

the pullchord sounds good... although i would hope that the security would be pretty quick..!! trainin in an empty gym would be awesome!! do u scream and everythin..?? haha

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 28 October 2008 11:57
68.1....70.....meh lol

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 28 October 2008 12:28
cheers fella!!
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 28 October 2008 20:44

the pullchord sounds good... although i would hope that the security would be pretty quick..!! trainin in an empty gym would be awesome!! do u scream and everythin..?? haha

Security is about 5 minutes away so not the best method of quickly getting out from under a bar!!!

Having the gym to myself is pretty good and as far as noises go, grunting, yelling, going "urgghhhhh", and the odd motivational "stop ****ing around you pussy and lift it" can be safely uttered without disparaging glances from any other members.
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 15:57
ok so i havent trained since monday!! think i needed a few days off.. been a bit up and down this wk! plus the weather has me on a real downer!!! its so frickin cold when i go to train in the evenings it really puts me off!!

anyway, just got back from my session-

OHP-strict press-
60x5
70x5
75x3
80x3
82.5x3
85x2
85x2
Push press-
85x3
87.5x3
90x3
90x2
INCLINE BENCH-
100x7
100x6, 30 secs, 5
DB ROW-
55x10x2
65x8
UPRIGHT ROW-
60x10x2
EZ BAR CURLS-
50x8
60x7,50x3
30x12 <--- v srict with close grip!
CABLE REAR LATERAL-
25kx15

was a decent session!
dint feel overly strong with the overhead pressing tho.. i got 92.5 last wk, was hoping for 95k today.. its ok tho!!
not feelin 100% so all in all i shouldnt complain!
supposed to be goin out tonight but i really cant be arsed !! the weather is sh1te and its now v nice and warm in my apartment...
i should have done a little tri work today too, maybe some CGBP or dips.. will do them next upper session!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 16:11
good session, the shoulders must have been nuked after the OH pressing!
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 16:11
Still a nice session there, mate, and loads of pressing so the tris weren't exactly left unaccounted for. You could probably get away with some larger jumps. You do a lot of work staying very close to your max weight.... 80 then 85 on your strict and 85 to 90 on your Push would probably have left enough in the bank for a solid 95 too
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 16:22
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 17:01
cheers guys!!yeah i try work near my max for my sets.. dont like to stay too light.. warm up on 60  and just jump from there really!
yeah suppose there was a lot of pressin so yeah the tris will be good after that come t think of it!!
bulk- yeah the delts were v  tired.. doin the inclines was v hard this time round, front delts were so tired the bar was shakin, was quite hard to stabilise it!!


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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 17:30
Nowt wrong with staying round your max (preps you up nicely), I warm up close to it but I do keep my reps down the closer I get (i.e. a 100kg bench might include a 90kg warm up but only for half the normal reps) - it's just that you do what, 8 sets all within 10kilos, I reckon you can play with that to give yourself more on a final set or 2
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 31 October 2008 17:34
ur probs right actually mate!!
suppose i was just thinkin more along the lines of makin sure i complete 3 reps for each weight! when i can only get 2, i'll maybe try one more set at that weight then leave it and try beat it the wk after!
i undersstand totally tho!! its just quite hard tho as warmin up with 60 k, im already within 25-30k of my max, so i suppose i like t get there quick and then save some energy for the heavier sets...
however, ur point is def taken on board.. will look into it next wk!!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 01 November 2008 10:55
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 01 November 2008 16:18
cheers mate!!
lookin at it tho, im a bit disappointed my OHP isnt stronger!! my bench is pretty high in terms of what i can shift, so im quite disappointed that my pressin from the shoulders isnt 90+k at least.. will be working hard on this one!! i want to be push pressin 100k for 3 rep by xmas!!
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 01 November 2008 16:32
What you weighing in at these days lad?

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 01 November 2008 16:38
You usually do Push Press after another exercise don't you? Why not hit PP first in the session then finish with strict Military Press (standing or seated)?

PP involves a little more technique rather than just sheer brute strength (but obviously that helps!!) so maybe a little work on getting under the bar rather than muscling it up (I'm assuming that's the problem here as I don't know how you perform PP)
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 01 November 2008 17:06
with PP, i have dabbled with gettin in a big push rom the legs, but seem to do better with a shorter, more explosive/conmcentrated push! so not much f a ben din the knee, but just quicker and more explosive and that works much better.. with the PP mate, yeah ur right, a lot of it is technique so thats somethin that should hopefully just get better as time goes on..
i could try strict press after the push press, i just feel i wanna hit the strict oress whilst delts and tris are fresh but i see ur point mate!
will try this next time round and see how i get on!! im as much concerned about my strict press as i am push press ya see, so i suppose i could swap it each session in terms of which i do first!
shane- im around 106k at the mo.. with ABS!! :-), so im fairly happy.. although i have def put a little fat on since the start of the cycle, (into about wk 2 of pct now).. strength seems to be the same tho!!


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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 03 November 2008 21:09
havent trained since friday.. was supposed to go today but ive had a horror!!
this is a pre warning on my no doubt hit and miss trainin for the next couple wks!! dont feel in the right mindset at the moment and feel if i went i would just be goin thru the motions!!

hopefully will be goin tomorro.. and will get a solid session in..
im thinkin that im not gonna have it in me to really push the numbers tho, so i think maybe some lighter stuff for a week or so wont do much damage.. ive been trainin fairly heavy for a while now and i think i need a little break!! plus my head is so far up my arse, as a said, my sessions just wouldnt cut it!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 03 November 2008 21:13
Maybe look at these days as speed sessions, so you can still go and train, perhaps, but with a different focus to your training that may not be so dependant on a strong mind-set (thinking aloud really)

That said, a week or so of coasting won't realy do any harm, whatever it takes to get your head straight and motivated I guess, just try not to let the slump get on top of you.
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 03 November 2008 21:53
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 03 November 2008 22:55
what did I say!!!  back off for a bit .. it won't hurt and will do you more good than anything.  You can't push hard all the time .. gaining isn't a continually linear process .. you have to take a step back to take two steps forward.
 
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havent trained since friday.. was supposed to go today but ive had a horror!!
this is a pre warning on my no doubt hit and miss trainin for the next couple wks!! dont feel in the right mindset at the moment and feel if i went i would just be goin thru the motions!!

hopefully will be goin tomorro.. and will get a solid session in..
im thinkin that im not gonna have it in me to really push the numbers tho, so i think maybe some lighter stuff for a week or so wont do much damage.. ive been trainin fairly heavy for a while now and i think i need a little break!! plus my head is so far up my arse, as a said, my sessions just wouldnt cut it!



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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 04 November 2008 00:25
haha.. cheers guys!!
mars- i know mate.. im just a cnut for droppin th trainin! i hate not goin, or trainin lighter etc..but it definately fels like its needed..
im havin good days followed by a few bad ones at the mo so im not switched on for consistant hard trainin!!
dirty-i was actually thinkin of that mate.. just switch it up for a wk or so, either speed trainin, or doin a bit of vince gironda style wi low rests and higher reps, or maybe evn do a wk of crossfit.. work the cardio side a bit more this wk! may help erk me up a bit
firestorm- u comin on to me mate?? haha..

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 04 November 2008 12:06
I had this about 2 yrs ago really bad, were i just suddenly couldnt be arsed but i wasnt really laziness it was just the weights felt heavier than usual and i wasnt making progress and it was getting me down a bit.
You will already know this yourself and as others have said, but it is break that you need and sometimes that break still doesnt seem to do it. My training went down the drain for a bit but getting a training partner got me motivated again. So sometimes its hard to figure out what you need, but a weeks break might be it.

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 04 November 2008 12:11
take a week off and you'll be climbing the walls to train!

rest up and kick back... i find there is a big differance to taking a week off to blowing off a few sessions in terms of mentality.

with a week off you know your going to be resting and rest well...peacefully.

blow off a session and you have niggling thoughts of how you should be training and you dont feel any better for the rest

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 04 November 2008 13:44
If you want to train to get stronger you need to learn to manage your general fatigue through cycling intensity and volume. High intenisty work (ie +90%) ie Westside ME sessions don't generally give you the DOMS of BB style training but dose generally 'batter' you more and give rise to more chronic type fatigue.

If you are doing ME sessions, a la Westside, then you probably need a planned break pretty frequently. This could simply be dropping the strength work, whilst continuing the BB work every 5 weeks or so. So this is not a total rest week rather a reduction in intensity, or volume, or both. A more traditional linera progression type cycle allready has lighter weeks built in.

Either way it takes some trial and error to know what work to do and when!
 

im havin good days followed by a few bad ones at the mo so im not switched on for consistant hard trainin!!


'Bad days' are just as part of training as good days. The important thing is getting the appropriate work done each week, rather than trying to pb every session. As you mention consistant hard training is the key.
 
If I was feeling rough I'd just cut back on both volume and intenisty for a week. As you catually siggested do a few purley DE sessions. Speed work (but not a big volume as normal), 1-2 light assistance lifts and get out.

As an example this sat I was still recovering from my comp last sunday and I just worked up to approx 70%x5-6 on the bench and squat, then 50%x5x3 for down sets, and then finished with a bit of light cable rows.
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 04 November 2008 23:06
cheers iain.. yeah ur right, although the 'bad days'im referring to are generally to do with my mood/ state of mind etc..!
had a session today..did,

bench-
100k x 20
120x10
100x13
BB rows-
80x15
100x12
80x13
BTN shoulder press-
45kx20x2
45kx10 <--- these ones were where u swap BTN and front presses each rep..
pull ups-BW
15,7,8<--- approx 30 sec rest between each set
Dips-
26,20 < could have done more but i was just doin things by this stage t keep the heart pumpin and for that 'pump'!! haha..
straight bar curls-
35k x 20 <--- dint need them as my bi's were fried but whacked in a set..

i actually really enjoyed this.. did each set with very low rest, may do somehtin along the lines of this for a couple of weeks, in more of a curcuit style...
i know for a fact that my trainin is gonna take a slight hit over the next couple weeks, i have shed loads o uni coursewk, heads up my arse too so this will be a nice break!!
ill prob keep it upper/lower split, twice for each session a week, ut will prob perform them in a curcuit fashion, a la crossfit stylee!


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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 16:57
today-
pre exhaust delts-
side lateral, 10,12,14k DBs x 10- w/ 45 secs between each set
18k x12
hammer shoulder press-
50x12
60x12
70x8
70x5- delts were wrecked!!! - all sets w/ around 45 secs rest in between..
cable rear laterals-
20x12x2 - about 30 secs rest

arm circuit-
pronated grip pushdowns supersetted with straight bar cable curls-
70kx12x2 <--- no rest, pushdowns, curls, pushdowns curls etc
reverse grip pushdowns supersetted with reverse grip curls-
55kx12x2 <--- same system as above!

was in and out of the gym in no time.. liked it actually!! havent got much time for anythin at the moment! so im thinkin, with regards to trainin, i will takin an instinctive approach for a while! just cant get out of this rut at the moment and my motivation t stay there for an hour/+ is just not there.. if i can get in and get out in less than half hour ill be happy for a while! at least til ive sorted my head out!! so ill prob just be trainin 1-2 muscle groups per day with anywhere from 1-3 exercises, quick sets with low rest, mid range reps!

good points for this wk, i seem to be leanin out again as i am eatin very clean/ bland food at the moment cos i cant be arsed cookin loads etc.. loads o chicken an eggs and veg..
was out last sat night and my mate who has done a few cycles was up, he's lookin to knock trainin on th ehead for a while as he's gettin sick of it, and has around 8-10 wks worth of sust left over so he said would gimme it if i wanted! v tempted for when ive stopped feelin sorry for myself!! :-)

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 17:03
Good to see you're still getting yourself out and down the gym mate.... damage limitation and all that. It'll all come good.

10wks of free sust..... it would be rude to say no wouldn't it?!?!
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 17:09
mate i think it would be awful for me to say no!! haha
yeah i felt good gettin in there.. had a good sessin too! just whacked on sometunes, got my head down and banged out a v good session in about 20 minutes! felt great..
i know everythin will be fine in time, but my head cant get round it t be honest... feel like ive hit a wall.. and its all pretty much down to gf issues!! stupid i know, but its got me hard this time!! dont know wat u've got til its gone and all that..
we'll sort it out tho!.................. eventually

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 17:15
There's always light.... when me and the ex split up, after 10 years, despite the fact it was always looming and she deserved it - I was crushed. A complete life overhaul, everything had changed and it took some time to adjust and took a few spells sitting on my own having a right blub LOL

That was 5 years ago. Wasn't long before things turned around and I soon met my now wife and have a 3 y/o cracker to boot.

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 17:21
ur right mate!! i know it will sort out in the end! its just made all the harder cos its me who has f*ckt things up and she has had t move out etc, and i cant do anythin bout it!!
but ur right.. we have spoken, and it seems things will be sorted in the end!.. just need t get my head to f*ckin understand that!!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 18:05
free sust .. snatch his hand off!!!!

As DV said .. all will come good if its meant to be ;)
 
Like the new approach to training as well .. just do what you want for a few weeks to keep things fresh .. its not like you're struggling for size lol

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 18:29
haha.. cheers mate!!
yeah i think im gonna have t take him up on it eventually!!
as for the trainin.. i think it is gonna have t be like this for a while.. im one of those people who is an arse for makin off the cuff decisions, and im always choppin and changin the way i feel/ wat i like etc etc.. so if i just turn up with the intention of doin a short but intense session, all should be good!!

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 07 November 2008 21:36
good job with the 10 reps on 120kg's....
how's your head atm?

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 08 November 2008 12:27
heads still up my arse mate.. hence the change in the routine for a little while.. just struggling to get on wi things at the mo due to all this sh1te with the gf.. its one of them things that weve talked and have said that we both want it to be sorted but will take time, but the whole adjusting to livin on my own again and not really seein her much at all every wk is takin its toll!!
ill be fine soon.. my head will slowly begin to retract from anus and we'll start spendin more time together soon and when that happens i'll be back on the right track!!
cheers fella!!
the 10 felt pretty easy to be honest.. it was the 100k that hurt tho.. no proper warm up really.. just did a few reps on 60 then straight to that, and i could feel it hurt more than really work the muscle!! ah well.. was puuuuuuuuuuuummpped after it tho

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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 10 November 2008 08:23
this is weird, the last post i can see in this thread is by me but when i check from outside in the journal section, it says you made a reply afterwards?
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Re:Makin Moves The MAX-OT Way... Pics page 1 - 11 November 2008 18:34
haha.. it does that sometimes mate.. sometimes if i reply, and it takes it onto a new page, it wont show the new page until someone else posts in the journal too!!

anyway.. today- this last wk has been pretty awful t be honest... eatin has been sporadic, moods have been up and down and ive felt exhausted all wk.. not t mention the abundance of f*ckin fluid i must have lost thru f*ckin ballin!! anyway,
got into the gym and did some higher rep stuff and feel f*ckin great.. v pumped and due to the reduced cals, i have shifted a little bf, so lookin poretty cut too!!

i did a crossfit workout- 'LYNNE'
bodyweight bench press- 5 sets, max reps- @100k- 20,13,7,10,7 - realised after the 3rd set i wasnt resting enough..
bodyweight pull ups
- same as above- 16, from here on in i kinda lost track of countin, as they were gettin hard, but i did ok, think my last set i finiished on about 5-6..! they were supposed to be kipping pul ups but my form isnt nailed on them yet so did regular pull ups!
then i moved onto these to just finisih me off..
pec dec-
77x15
86x15
95x12, dropset, 59x12 - unreal pump.
face puls-
105x15
115x15
115x15, dropset, 75x9- again, amazin pump!
got home and haaayyy sssuuuus i was pumped! veins everywhere.. was great! especially for the mental boost!
anyway tomorro will be another cross fit workout.. preferably based around legs and OHP i hope!





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