What is the best testosterone boosting product you've have? if any?

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I've had good results from the NHA stack and have seen some pretty good reviews on Diesel Test which i'll be trying out in the future

Agree with LJ. You wont find a better test booster than NHA stack - combine that with diesel test and you'd have a super natural testosterone boosting stack!

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Whenever I see a thread like this I have to wonder to what extent natural testosterone is "boosted"? natural test production is linked to a feedback loop which maintains homeostasis i.e. the body senses too much circulating test, production is slowed.

Does this type of product come with any credible evidence (aside from marketing bullsh*t) to suggest they are worth considering?

NHA stack frees up bound test - therefore giving you a higher free test % (activate) and reduces estrogen (rebound xt). Because there is no 'increase' in total test the body will not down regulate test production.

Whether its all marketing crap or there is actual evidence i dont know, but seems logical to me...but that doesnt mean it works!

I'm sure ive seen blood tests done on NHA stack, rebound standalone and ALRI Ultra Hotter and they showed a high inrease in total/free test.

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ORIGINAL: kasabian19

Whether its all marketing crap or there is actual evidence i dont know, but seems logical to me...but that doesnt mean it works!

That's exactly my point, even if there are these effects; to what degree? Will it really be enough in real world terms/ results to justify the hassle (cost)?

Also, reductions in normal estrogen levels in healthy males is not necessarily a good thing.

I stick to Tribulus Terestris and Horney Goatweed. I get the Tribulus from Bulkpowders and the Goatweed from Healthy Direct. I alternate 3 a day of Trib for 1 week then 3 a day of Goatweed for one week, then repeat. I only take these products post cycle as a way of helping my natural testosterone production return to normal.

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Whenever I see a thread like this I have to wonder to what extent natural testosterone is "boosted"? natural test production is linked to a feedback loop which maintains homeostasis i.e. the body senses too much circulating test, production is slowed.

Does this type of product come with any credible evidence (aside from marketing bullsh*t) to suggest they are worth considering?

Normally i wouldn't have replied to this, but for argument's sake i thought i'd give this tid-bit.

One of our beta testers for Rebound Reloaded ran it with his own stash of activate.

His pre-bloodwork noted:

Total Test: 690
Free Test: 520

His readings during the trial (after 3 weeks):

Total Test: 1123ng/dl
Free Test: 984ng/dl

So, what sort of extent do you class that as? :)

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This is only one subject so has obvious implications. Aside from that, the latter readings although substancially higher, are not abnormally high, and nowhere near supra-physiological doses assumed to provide worthwhile results. So my point remains; in real world terms, are this type of product really worth the cost.

Well if someone doesnt want to turn to the darkside, wants to stay natural and wants an 'edge' then it is worth the cost. I think someone on here gained 11 or 12lbs on the NHA stack in 4 weeks. Seems decent to me. Total costs is about £65 (if that) and there are no sides - or if there are, very little sides that occur - for naturals it will give them that little bit of an 'edge' to put on a bit more muscle. No pct needed, no ancillaires, and decent gains....

Even gains of 5 or 6 lbs in a few weeks is decent -which seems to be about average for the NHA stack.

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ORIGINAL: kasabian19

Well if someone doesnt want to turn to the darkside, wants to stay natural and wants an 'edge' then it is worth the cost.

I guess that's a personal decision, though in all honesty I fail to see an effective edge from this kind of thing.

I think someone on here gained 11 or 12lbs on the NHA stack in 4 weeks. Seems decent to me.

Seems far fetched to me! Its been said many times before in this forum - Some of the claims of gains tbh are miraculous bordering on the ludicrous. imo this sort of claim needs to be taken with a pinch of salt and serious consideration given to the circumstances - i.e. % fat gain, water gain, carb intake. Not only that but also consider the experience of the user and whether such a replication result would have been the case anyway without the use of the product.

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

Aside from that, the latter readings although substancially higher, are not abnormally high, and nowhere near supra-physiological doses assumed to provide worthwhile results

I wonder what sort of figures he'd have had a couple of hours after a heavy squat session and some steak. £65 is a lot of money.

Whoa whoa whoa! calm down fellas, i'm just puttin one side of the argument forward! it really comes down to personal choice - whether they use gear or stay natural, and how much £££ they spend. I'd personally never use 'test boosters' i'd opt for one of the designer supplements such as ergomax or phera cos i know what they can do. Obviously chemical is better than natural supplements at raising test so really its a none issue.

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

This is only one subject so has obvious implications. Aside from that, the latter readings although substancially higher, are not abnormally high, and nowhere near supra-physiological doses assumed to provide worthwhile results. So my point remains; in real world terms, are this type of product really worth the cost.

We have other testers getting bloodwork done also. If i remember, i'll post them in here also.

The only thing that will raise testosterone to supraphysiological levels is testosterone itself.

I think the dude who got the testing done is late-20's/early-30's, for which 1100+ ng/dl sounds pretty abnormal to me.

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

Seems far fetched to me! Its been said many times before in this forum - Some of the claims of gains tbh are miraculous bordering on the ludicrous. imo this sort of claim needs to be taken with a pinch of salt and serious consideration given to the circumstances - i.e. % fat gain, water gain, carb intake. Not only that but also consider the experience of the user and whether such a replication result would have been the case anyway without the use of the product.

Correct.

Now consider that it isn't a one-off case, and we've had two other users report 10lb gains. And multiple reports of 3-8lbs.

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NHA stack does not work at all

If anyone disagrees then point me to a published study on it. My mind is very easily changed on such matters. You might even say I'm whimsical about these things. So show me some evidence that it does anything at all and I'll instantly change my mind. Go for it lads

ORIGINAL: Da Vinci

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

Seems far fetched to me! Its been said many times before in this forum - Some of the claims of gains tbh are miraculous bordering on the ludicrous. imo this sort of claim needs to be taken with a pinch of salt and serious consideration given to the circumstances - i.e. % fat gain, water gain, carb intake. Not only that but also consider the experience of the user and whether such a replication result would have been the case anyway without the use of the product.

Correct.

Now consider that it isn't a one-off case, and we've had two other users report 10lb gains. And multiple reports of 3-8lbs.

The points still remain clear: a) credibility of claims, b) effect of the actual product in question in relation to any gain.

ORIGINAL: Da Vinci


I think the dude who got the testing done is late-20's/early-30's, for which 1100+ ng/dl sounds pretty abnormal to me.

Not particularly abnormal. And imo not at a level where obvious implications (results) would be forthcoming.

Not wishing to denigrate your company, Da Vinci, but i think (and i'm sure i'm not alone) that the price of the NHA stack is ludicrous.

Especially when there are so many good value supplements out there now (bulk whey, MD2, Cyclo 1-T etc.), it seems like the prices are being set artificially high because you have a monopoly on this particular stack.

I wonder how long it will be until a company like Juggernaut will make a clone of these two and sell it as one for £10 a bottle.

ORIGINAL: drab4

NHA stack does not work at all

If anyone disagrees then point me to a published study on it. My mind is very easily changed on such matters. You might even say I'm whimsical about these things. So show me some evidence that it does anything at all and I'll instantly change my mind. Go for it lads

Published study?

You are joking right?

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