Who has made big gains from designer steroids alone?

hi powerhouse,
 i have just finished my 3rd cycle of megvol, and personally i cannot fault them......much. The first cycle was as good as the second and the third. like vasquez says people dont put the correct sort of training,diet and recovery into place before hand, not to say everyone but people think these type of ds/ph are an easy fix. i started taking megavol about 1 year ago because my gains were really slowing down. i was told i didnt eat nearly enough to get the gains i was looking for. but for me eating 4000_5000 kcal a day was a mission on its own. But i can re assure you megavol does work. im positive you wouldnt get the gains like injectables but they are good with hardly any side effects. i gained on avererage about 12-14 pound on each corse which i kept 10lbs of every time. your muscles seem a lot firmer and skin feels a lot tighter and pumps when working out are sometimes a bit to much but all good, strength increase is good to. i did 3 tabs a day for 30 days on 60-90 days off. Honestly if you have hit some king of physical or even mental wall and want to give something a go i would defiitaly give megavol a go, if you want any more answers i will try and help

^^first post, welcome mate...

So you've done x3 cycles of megvol and you've kept 30 pounds from the three cycles?? What was your pct? 

thanks for the welcome
as for pct it might sound bad but i did nothing, just kept eating and drinking extreamly clean, i do take quite a lot of old skool supps, milk thistle, dessicated liver, ginko bilboa but i take these all the time, i got to ask now what is good pct for megavol and alike ??????

Cheers for the input people.

No doubt some have made some good gains from these DS.

But as I thought, there wasn't a reply from an exceptionally big bloke who has only used DS to get that size.

And by this, im talking roughly 19/20 inch arms (not covered in fat!).  It seems that all the guys this kind of size are using injectibles. 

On paper it seems possible using these Designer steroids but Im doubting that its possible in the real world as no one seems to have done it.

powerhouse_ad it's a nice topic you've brought up here for discussion born out of an assumption that DS can parallel AS: I don't think anyone has advocated the idea that DS will parallel AS.

I think most people who do DS are looking for a leg-up in terms of their appearance and training and not necessarily a bodybuilders physique. Sure, some people will 'progress' onto AS but for many people the bodybuilders physique is not their goal. 

Simply a matter of using a certain tool for a certain job. 

In my personal experience I've gained 16lb at the apex of my first SD cycle (attributed a lot of this to rapid re-uptake following a period of weight loss and no training while overseas) and roughly 10lb on a 1T-tren cycle. I can't imagine any of these sorts of DS cycles totally transforming ones appearance akin to several months injectable treatment though. 

I think the majority of ppl on MT that use DS/PH do put in the hard work at the gym and with their diet etc.

Thing is, if you want to great size /condition and you have already dipped yor toe in the water and tried DS/PH, then of course you would move onto injectables. It is safer for one reason, can stay on cycle a lot longer, and the gains will outweigh oral only cycles.

Plus I don't see how someone can say people don't have their diet and training in check, when they do not even carry out a proper a PCT themselves... come on now!

BroodingSea


powerhouse_ad it's a nice topic you've brought up here for discussion born out of an assumption that DS can parallel AS: I don't think anyone has advocated the idea that DS will parallel AS.

Who made that assumption?  It certainly wasn't me.
 
If you read my original question and understood it you would notice that I am saying quite the opposite.
 
I am asking if anyone has used Designer Steroids to build an exceptionally big physique as I have not seen this happen and am not sure if it is possible. 
 
I believe to obtain an exceptionally big physique, one would have to venture into the world of injectibles, but I started this thread to see if anyone has managed a large transformation from using Designer Steroids alone to prove my views incorrect.

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BroodingSea


powerhouse_ad it's a nice topic you've brought up here for discussion born out of an assumption that DS can parallel AS: I don't think anyone has advocated the idea that DS will parallel AS.

Who made that assumption?  It certainly wasn't me.
 
If you read my original question and understood it you would notice that I am saying quite the opposite.
 
I am asking if anyone has used Designer Steroids to build an exceptionally big physique as I have not seen this happen and am not sure if it is possible. 
 
I believe to obtain an exceptionally big physique, one would have to venture into the world of injectibles, but I started this thread to see if anyone has managed a large transformation from using Designer Steroids alone to prove my views incorrect.

Understood your question perfectly well and it is a classic straw man argument. No-one really misrepresents DS/PH to compare with AS, yet your statement was positioned to insinuate that they have been suggested to be comparable with injectables in the regard of a 'massive physique'. As you yourself concluded in your original post there aren't that many comparisons to make; you dispute the value of PH/DS in comparison to AS, yet you chose to ask the question all the same, despite the confidence in your rejection of DS for 'exceptionally big physiques'.  You already knew the answer to your question and many people would be inclined to agree with you. 


This is akin to trying to measure grams with centimeters in my view. I think, as Skull already said, if someone wants to get 'massive' they migrate onto traditional steroids where there is less hype on the marketing patter, consistent historical evidence regarding use, effectiveness, safety, cost and the like. 

Even with just PH you can get VERY big, i'm not saying I have ever been that big but i've been up to 250lbs @ 6'1" and I wouldn't want to be any bigger personally, if I went for a night out I would always have a load of people come up to me ask what I was taking and comment on how big I was (certainly only situation i'd hear that!!!!!!!)

You see people who are huge, bigger than a majority of steroid users and they are natural! So with what are basically oral steroids you can be sure you would be able to get to a very serious level of muscular development, certainly sufficient for most people.


Whether you opt to go for PH or injectable AAS is down to a lot of variables, there are plenty of pros and cons to both, but be assured you can get huge from DS alone!

powerhouse_ad


As per title, who has only used designer steroids (no classic steroids such as dianabol or test (???)) and has made large muscle improvements to their body?
 
Please state the total difference in your weight, the cycles used and the amount of time you have been using them for.  Before and after pics would be great.
 
On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.
 
Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 
 
Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.
 
Cheers
 

Honestly, after all the input in the thread, I'd love to see a change from "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with inj AAS" and the whole "no, you can't" creating a certain "impression" ,to "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with oral AAS" or even to "can you get as massive from oral AAS as you can with inj AAS" and watch the results...

It would be very difficult to attain 19 inch lean arms using orals alone, whether they be DS' or more traditional AAS'. 

If one's goal is to get that big then injectables are the only way forwards, IMO

beholder69

powerhouse_ad


As per title, who has only used designer steroids (no classic steroids such as dianabol or test (???)) and has made large muscle improvements to their body?

Please state the total difference in your weight, the cycles used and the amount of time you have been using them for.  Before and after pics would be great.

On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.

Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 

Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.

Cheers

Honestly, after all the input in the thread, I'd love to see a change from "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with inj AAS" and the whole "no, you can't" creating a certain "impression" ,to "can you get as massive from DS/PH as you can with oral AAS" or even to "can you get as massive from oral AAS as you can with inj AAS" and watch the results...

WTF?? Can you repeat that in an understandable format please lol.
 
Oral AAS are the same as DS/PH, the only difference is that one is legal (due to a loophole) and the other is not, so there would be no point in having a discussion as to which would be better at gaining mass.
 

Daari


It would be very difficult to attain 19 inch lean arms using orals alone, whether they be DS' or more traditional AAS'. 

If one's goal is to get that big then injectables are the only way forwards, IMO

 
Cheers for your input Daari.
 
Is this due to the fact orals cannot be run for as long?

Skullcrusher
 

Plus I don't see how someone can say people don't have their diet and training in check, when they do not even carry out a proper a PCT themselves... come on now!

Who?

simm27996


thanks for the welcome
as for pct it might sound bad but i did nothing, just kept eating and drinking extreamly clean, i do take quite a lot of old skool supps, milk thistle, dessicated liver, ginko bilboa but i take these all the time, i got to ask now what is good pct for megavol and alike ??????

This guy ^^

Skullcrusher

simm27996


thanks for the welcome
as for pct it might sound bad but i did nothing, just kept eating and drinking extreamly clean, i do take quite a lot of old skool supps, milk thistle, dessicated liver, ginko bilboa but i take these all the time, i got to ask now what is good pct for megavol and alike ??????

This guy ^^

Blimey missed that post!

IronLabs


Even with just PH you can get VERY big, i'm not saying I have ever been that big but i've been up to 250lbs @ 6'1" and I wouldn't want to be any bigger personally, if I went for a night out I would always have a load of people come up to me ask what I was taking and comment on how big I was (certainly only situation i'd hear that!!!!!!!)

You see people who are huge, bigger than a majority of steroid users and they are natural! So with what are basically oral steroids you can be sure you would be able to get to a very serious level of muscular development, certainly sufficient for most people.


Whether you opt to go for PH or injectable AAS is down to a lot of variables, there are plenty of pros and cons to both, but be assured you can get huge from DS alone!

 


In your experience IronLabs  what kind of total weight increase have you been able to attribute to your PH use? If, and I'm guessing here, you started at say 200 but over the course of x cycles and x months (?years) you reached that 250 mark this could be deemed very considerable, and gets to the heart of the matter in terms of the evidence powerhouse_ad is seeking evidence for? 

There is a natty guy at our gym who most would say is genetically gifted, he is meticulous about food and training and has 18.5inch arms, he is around 10% bodyfat but looks great, now for me someone like Jim Cordova has awsome muscluarity and size.....yet he is also natural....and in show condition is around 165lbs......., he 'looks' at least 50+ lbs bigger than that......so in summary are we talking about all out mass and monster growth or awsome physique with superb muscularity.....i personaly would take Cordova's phyique over any current olympia contender for example.....

.....although perhaps not Cordovas legs ;-)

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Daari


It would be very difficult to attain 19 inch lean arms using orals alone, whether they be DS' or more traditional AAS'. 

If one's goal is to get that big then injectables are the only way forwards, IMO

 
Cheers for your input Daari.
 
Is this due to the fact orals cannot be run for as long?

IMO, yes