Who has made big gains from designer steroids alone?

As per title, who has only used designer steroids (no classic steroids such as dianabol or test) and has made large muscle improvements to their body?
 
Please state the total difference in your weight, the cycles used and the amount of time you have been using them for.  Before and after pics would be great.
 
On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.
 
Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 
 
Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.
 
Cheers
 

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On paper it would look like large gains can be made as they are steroids, but I am yet to see someone who has successful gone from say a natural 14 stone to an 18 stone man who clearly uses steroids.
 
Are injectables needed to get these kind of results or can they be achieved from designer steroids? 
 
Please answer using your experiences and not just what you have heard or believe to be the case.
 
Cheers
 

Hey Powerhouse,

Well I am planning my 1st ever cycle of Tren (4 week cycle starting tomorrow). I am planning on posting up a progress on the stuff (I have never used anything before).

I'm currently 15.5 stone, 5' 11" and am eager to get to 17.5 stone. 

The only problem I have before i begin this cycle is weather or not I can do the PCT- I am off to Hong Konw/ Oz in 4 and a half weeks and don't know the legal status of OTC PCT's in Hong Kong/ Oz... am trying to research that now!
DJ

Oh I don't expect to gain 2 stone in 4 weeks by the way....

Thanks deejay15, but not the kind on answer I'm looking for.

I want to hear from people who have been using designer steroids for some time and have made big muscular gains to their bodies.

Without trying to sound offensive, all I have really seen pics of is guys making relatively small gains and then moving on to injectibles or classic oral steroids like dianabol.

I want to hear from people who have used designer steroids only e.g. superdol, h-drol, M1T to make large gains.

Up until now I have not seen pictoral evidence that it is possible to become what I would consider "big" using only these designer steroids.

I gained 10lbs on SD last August, kept 7lbs

I assume over time you could gain large amounts but I moved onto the 'real deal' soon after

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I gained 10lbs on SD last August, kept 7lbs

I assume over time you could gain large amounts but I moved onto the 'real deal' soon after

Well you would assume that you could gain large amounts over time but I am yet to see this so I am doubting it.

I've found 2 pics almost exactly 1 year apart here and gained a lot through PH, Superdrol especially.

DB Bench
Pic 1: 30kg's for 3 x 6-8
Pic 2: 50kg's for 3 x 6-8

DB Shoulder Press
Pic 1: 27.5kg's for 3 x 6-8
Pic 2: 45kg's for 3 x 6-8

BB Bench
Pic 1: 70kg for 8
Pic 2: 130kg for 4

BB Row
Pic 1: 75kg for 3 x 8-10
Pic 2: 110kg for 3 x 8-10

Deadlift
Pic 1: 140kg for 1
Pic 2: 210kg for 1











Progressed quite a lot since the second picture too now and will post up results after my upcoming Methyl-S / Tren-E cycle which should see me get to around 190lbs with single digit BF%.

Cheers for the input IronLabs.

Can you tell me how many cycles you have ran please?

How long do you have off between cycles?  A lot of people on here say time on plus pct is the amount of time you should have off, but this is just a random amount of time that somebody has made up at some point and everyone has it drilled in their heads that this is somehow an equation that your body accepts.

Have you used anything other than designer steroids, and if so, what have you used.  

How much is your body weight increase between pictures one and two?

These answers are between the 2 pics as i've done more since then, but...


Cycles:

- Epistane (was not very good)
- Superdrol & Tren (awesome results)
- Superdrol solo (good cycle)


Time Off:

- yep my cycle + PCT = time off between cycles


Anything else:

- nope, just those PH along with whey & pre-workout supps, the occasional fat burner too maybe.


Weight change:

- first pic @ 80kg
- second pic @ 100kg
- so 20kg gain over the year.

Very good going then mate.

So going on your experiences, do you think using Superdrol only, doing say 3 cycles a year, muscle could keep being added without constantly upping the dosage?

How long do you run Superdrol for and at what dose?

I'm giving up the PHs for injectables. 

I done one brilliant M1T cycle several years back but have never got close to the results again with SD and another M1T, a dbol only all pish.  Did one injectable of test e for 2 months and that was only ok, 1st M1T was unbeatable.

I'm currently 2 weeks into an RV5 PH course. Basically 20mgSD, 20mg PPlex, 50mg hdrol ED.  Loads of warnings about sides and the expected results but once again I'm dissappointed.  Deffo proper injectable cycle next time.

Yes I think if you are eating and training well a few SD cycles a year will see you make great improvements consistently. The cycles will really help break through plateaus that you reach and keep taking things to the next level.

Well having run SD and then SD with Tren I will always run SD & Tren now.

My next cycle is going to be:

- Methyl-S week 3-6 @ 30mg/day
- Tren-E week 1-6 @ 90mg/day

Works great & so no real reason to go through the extra effort & cost of using injectables.

What about the liver toxicity of the PH IronLabs? - Honest question here is it worth the extra risk or is it minimal? - Its not so much injecting that bothers me, doing that with ghrp right now .. but it is a pain in the ass.

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What about the liver toxicity of the PH IronLabs? - Honest question here is it worth the extra risk or is it minimal? - Its not so much injecting that bothers me, doing that with ghrp right now .. but it is a pain in the ass.

Well, I have run cycles and had blood tests done pre-cycle and then blood tests after PCT and my liver values have indicated everything was fine and returned to normal by the end of PCT.

I think that so long as you are sensible - so running a good cycle support, not going crazy on the dosage, etc - then you should be fine.

hi mate, ive ran a couple of PHs, i got some good size gains off a 6 week epistane cycle. i then moved on to using methyl test, which i know ur not interested in hearing about but the lower back pains, kidney/liver i got for the whole 3 weeks i used it were horrible.

i know use injectables, just finished my 1st course and IMHO there is no comparison between the use of PHs and the use of AAS. its not even worth discussing if im honest mate. the gains are worlds apart

Powerhouse - I think the reason that you have not seen people get "beyond big" from DS is because the majority will inevetibally move onto injectables after a couple of DS cycles, as it is the next progressive step forwards.
This is exactly what I have done, after running a couple of DS cycles.

If you carried on taking DS and running 3 cycles per year for e.g, I can't see why you would not carry on making gains, but you would more than likely have to keep increasing the dosage, but as Tapout has mentioned, DS are just not comparible to injectables and if you want to get beyond big, this is a transition that will no doubt make in the end.

I think another reason for not seeing many people get huge on ph/ds use is because the majority of people who use them havent put in sufficient time in the gym and built a good natural base before using them. Most of the people i know who use PH/DS don't even have the signs of a decent build yet, dont know how to eat or train properly and in all honesty expect the ph's to do all the work for them. Whereas the guys i know who have some solid years training behind them and have taken ds/ph to break plateaus have had great results and look great. i dont mean to bash anyone but i think its such a shame when 'kids' with a few months training hit the OTS hormones...one guy at my gym is 18 been on aas for months now and he looks like a skinny tennis player at best...

^^agree Vasquez, also, the easy part is whilst on ANY form of steroid is seeing strength increase and size gain happen within this period...keeping the gains between cycles is what it's about and those people who haven't laid down solid diet and routine for a long period of time(prior to any cycle)will just slowly lose these cycle gains, not within pct but months on from this...pound by pound! Just ONE cycle a year gaining 10 pound and maintaining this would be the smart way to go and being satisfied with this!! 

Yes this is very evident on this forum Vasquez. 

I see logs of people running stacks of designer steroids and having bodies which barely looks like they have been training.  

Have you used anything other than designer steroids vasquez?

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Yes this is very evident on this forum Vasquez. 

I see logs of people running stacks of designer steroids and having bodies which barely looks like they have been training.  

Have you used anything other than designer steroids vasquez?

No m8, not even tempted. ...and the DS i've used have been very mild.......i was 14st at around 6% bodyfat before i even thought about a ds/ph.....and the thing that made me try one in the first place in all honesty was an injury i couldnt shake and the first ph i chose cured it.....i wasnt even interested in gaining size at the time.....it was the cherry on the cake :-)