Winni for first cycle

Hello all. Please can you assist me with your opinions?
 
Im thinking of doing my first cycle. I have run the prohormone epi before which was my crossing to the darkside from 8 years natural. But now I am thinking of taking it further and running my first AAS cycle.
 
Now a couple of conditions I had as I researched which to use:
 
1. I dont want to inject. It just wouldn't wash with the Mrs.
2. It cant be too expensive.
3. I want a dry cutting cycle as I am not interested in weight gain at the moment. Im 17st 4lbs and am in ok shape Prob about 15%. I'd like to cut and be around 15-16st ripped. Plus I'm moving into MMA so dont want to be too heavy.
 
Im happy with moderate results with moderate sides. I just dont really want to stack any even if it means Ill get less results.
 
So obviously 8 weeks on Var looked perfect for me. Until I heard the price. So that was out. Clearly all injectables are out.
 
So I came up with Winni. How do you think Winni is for a first cycle?
 
This is where I have a few questions. Please can you have a go at answering them for me:
 
1. Would you use tabs or drink the vials?
2. Im thinking 50mg ed. Is this about right?
3. Have you any experiences with Winni?
4. What are the sides like?
 
I'm thinking of the following:
 
6 weeks Winni depot drunk or tabs at 50mg ed.
1g Milk thistle throughout cycle and PCT ed.
Standard Nolva PCT.
EFAs throughout.
My usual high protein, cutting diet with cardio.
 
By the way, as a note, I will be using this once I have already gotten pretty lean. Say 10% BF. Not for about 10 weeks.
 
Thankyou
 
James

Personally its diet if you wanna be 15-16 stone ripped winny will do jack ****.
 
Have you researched winny etc do you know its sides??? you would be better in my opinion nailing ya diet,then running tbol for 6-8weeks.

Thanks for the reply mate.

Yeah I liked the look of Tbol. Cheers

I have heard Winni has harsh sides cholestrol, andro wise but low est/prog sides. Is that right?

Is it very harsh sides wise then?

Tbol looks milder and pretty good. Suitable for me. Not sure on its price though Ill find out.
Is Tbol good for cutting then?

Im 17,4 now so as I am I will be pretty lean at 15st after a good diet. Atleast as lean as I want to be. Proper ripped by 14st7lbs. So I figured if I got to 15st then did a cutting cycle while I dieted further or recomped, then I would be 15st ripped etc.

What do you mean by it'd do nothing? Is it not good enough on its own to maintain some mass then? Is that why its normally stacked?

I dont want to gain too much weight, just harden what I have once ripped and get stronger. Will Tbol assist these effects?

Cheers

Falconski


Personally its diet if you wanna be 15-16 stone ripped winny will do jack ****.
 
Have you researched winny etc do you know its sides??? you would be better in my opinion nailing ya diet,then running tbol for 6-8weeks.

agree I would go with tbol ! ticks all your boxes cheap, not to many sides etc 

i prefer winny but in order for it to have noticeable effects you need to diet in order to have low bodyfat before taking.

Yeah thats what Ill be doing. I can see my abs now and full quad/delt separation etc.

Ill be dieting for another 10+ weeks doing lots of cardio/MMA and using ECA first.

When I have lower BF, say 10% with smooth but clean cut abs etc I will get the cycle then.

So not really made my mind up yet but some good advice so cheers.
Id really like Var but cant afford it.

Done some more research. Winni does look harsh on some potential sides but it is so widely used I wonder if its really that bad?

Otherwise Tbol does look good for a first oral cycle. Alternatively of course I could use the prohormone H-drol and stack with Tren X etc and stay OTC.

What are your opinions as to how OTC steroids compare to the suggested AAS? I know things like Sdrol and Phera wouldn't measure up to Dbol, Anadrol, Test or Deca, but in comparison to Winni only cycles etc?

Cheers

James

i would go with a good diet and clenbuterol to keep your burning more all day long. with cardio morning and night.

phmcgru


i would go with a good diet and clenbuterol to keep your burning more all day long. with cardio morning and night.

second this, clen is my favourite med for removing unwanted body fat, cycled with eph for off days, dream combo :) great outcomes.