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X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 00:04 (permalink)
Hi all,
 
I am contemplating whether to increase the dose of my X-Mass cycle from 120mg ed to 160mg ed for week 2-6 seeing as I am running the X-Mass as a standalone?
 
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    Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 14:20 (permalink)
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      Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 19:47 (permalink)
      why?  by week 2 you will only just be starting to tell what 120mgs is doing for you.

      i don't think you really need to be taking the stuff anyway if you're only benching 70kg for 4 reps...  my advice would be to get strong first and then take this sh*t to get stronger.
       
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        Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 21:13 (permalink)
        Mate how long you been running this for now? Give it at least a few weeks to take effect and kick in properly.

        My understanding of your goals are increased aggression and strenght for your MMA sport correct?

        If so are you not feeling extra focus and agression from the dose you are using?

        As for strenght you will experiance it but it will not be a prominant as if you used a more updated stronger DS like SD/PP etc. It will be more progressive over the whole cycle i.e. you will prob add 10kg over the whole 6 weeks as opposed to 10kg in the first week if you get me?

        So as for upping the dose id say hang in there a little longer mate. But if you are not achieveing the result you want in a few weeks and your pocket can take the strain up it.
         
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          Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 21:16 (permalink)
          rokkus3


          why?  by week 2 you will only just be starting to tell what 120mgs is doing for you.

          i don't think you really need to be taking the stuff anyway if you're only benching 70kg for 4 reps...  my advice would be to get strong first and then take this sh*t to get stronger.

          Why does this have a bearing fella on usage of DS?
           
          I know a guy who enters bb comps runs injectable test but rarely goes over 100kg on bench.
           
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            Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 21:48 (permalink)
            Taz


            Mate how long you been running this for now? Give it at least a few weeks to take effect and kick in properly.

            My understanding of your goals are increased aggression and strenght for your MMA sport correct?

            If so are you not feeling extra focus and agression from the dose you are using?

            As for strenght you will experiance it but it will not be a prominant as if you used a more updated stronger DS like SD/PP etc. It will be more progressive over the whole cycle i.e. you will prob add 10kg over the whole 6 weeks as opposed to 10kg in the first week if you get me?

            So as for upping the dose id say hang in there a little longer mate. But if you are not achieveing the result you want in a few weeks and your pocket can take the strain up it.


            ah kk, sorry it prob just me being a fool lol
             
            cheers bud will keep it at 120mg ed (but i do have 2 bottles of it haha)
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              Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 01 November 2009 21:50 (permalink)
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              why?  by week 2 you will only just be starting to tell what 120mgs is doing for you.

              i don't think you really need to be taking the stuff anyway if you're only benching 70kg for 4 reps...  my advice would be to get strong first and then take this sh*t to get stronger.


              How bout you take some of my advice............Jog on
               
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                Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 02 November 2009 10:04 (permalink)
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                rokkus3


                why?  by week 2 you will only just be starting to tell what 120mgs is doing for you.

                i don't think you really need to be taking the stuff anyway if you're only benching 70kg for 4 reps...  my advice would be to get strong first and then take this sh*t to get stronger.

                Why does this have a bearing fella on usage of DS?
                 
                I know a guy who enters bb comps runs injectable test but rarely goes over 100kg on bench.


                i just remembered mma's original post a little while back where he said he was wanting to take this for strength gains... i just don't see the point in taking something when you've so much more natural potential.
                if he had said he wanted to get big then i'd understand him trying a mass-builder but why take something for strength when he could smash this in no time with a little more hard training?  it's just a little lazy.
                 
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                  Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 02 November 2009 10:11 (permalink)
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                  rokkus3


                  why?  by week 2 you will only just be starting to tell what 120mgs is doing for you.

                  i don't think you really need to be taking the stuff anyway if you're only benching 70kg for 4 reps...  my advice would be to get strong first and then take this sh*t to get stronger.


                  How bout you take some of my advice............Jog on


                  don't have to be an arse just becasue i have an opinion you don't like mate.  in your first post when asking about this stuff i said the same thing as well as giving you advice on how to use it.

                  a good friend and training buddy fights mma.  he's 26, is 79kgs and benches 120kg without breaking a sweat... he got there through training hard for 8years, not by taking a steroid.  i think if you're serious about fighting mma then you'l need that kind of devotion to succeed in it, build solid natural strength.  anyway, you obviously know more then i do so i guess i'll be jogging on now.  good luck.
                   
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                    Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 02 November 2009 13:56 (permalink)
                    X-mass did very little for me to boost strength as a standalone

                    Are you on a  training regime built around maximising strength, with appropriate nutrition, especially optimising fuelling pre and post workout? 
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                      Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 02 November 2009 18:48 (permalink)
                      Celt


                      X-mass did very little for me to boost strength as a standalone

                      Are you on a  training regime built around maximising strength, with appropriate nutrition, especially optimising fuelling pre and post workout? 


                      Hi Celt, this is my training regime and diet:
                       
                      My training is based around MMA style training with plenty of circuits, pad work, and intervals.
                      Mon am - squats, bench, pullups
                      Mon pm - Intervals (4-6 x 6 min rounds x-trainer and treadmill and rower, 30 secs slow,30 secs flat out)
                       
                      Tues am- Burpee Interval = (30 secs Burpee + 30 sec heavy bag) x 3 total 3mins, 6 x 3-minute rounds with 1 minute of rest between rounds
                                     Rowing Interval = (row 1 min + 30 secs pushups) x 8 rounds
                      Wed - sparing and technique
                       
                      Thurs am - deadlift, seated row, shoulder press
                      Thurs pm - SSCV or HIIT
                       
                      Fri am - No Excuses Workout (4 rounds, each round consists of burpees pullups squats pushups, round 1-60 secs per station, round 2 - 45 secs per station, round 3- 30 secs per station, round 4 - 15 secs per station, no rest between each round.
                      John = ( 20 Squat Jumps + 20 Pressups) x 5 rounds
                      Joey = (10 squats + 10 squat jumps) x 5 rounds
                      Nicky = (10 pressups + 10 squat thrusts) x 5 rounds
                       
                      Sat am - Barbell complex or Weights Circuit
                      Sat pm- SSCV
                       
                      My diet will be app.3000-3500cals per day to keep at the  same weight, but if I add a couple of kg, I am not really too worried. 
                      diet will be as follows:
                       
                      meal 1
                      100g oats + 30g whey + 250ml skimmed milk + 1tsp peanut butter+ 1 piece of fruit
                       
                      postworkout
                      45g whey + 45g dextrose
                       
                      meal 2
                      4 slices of wholemeal/ seeded bread + 1 tbsp mayo + 1 tin tuna + 1 piece of fruit
                       
                      meal 3
                      75g couscous/ basmati rice + 120g salmon/ chicken/ beef + toms/peppers/ cucumber
                       
                      meal 4
                      75g oats + 30g whey + 250ml skimmed milk + 1 piece fuit
                       
                      meal 5
                      120g chicken/ 1 tin tuna + 4 new potatoes + loads of mixed veg
                       
                      meal 6
                      250g quark + 25g brazil nuts
                       
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                        Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 03 November 2009 09:32 (permalink)
                        OK mate, so as I see it you have two strength building sessions per week?

                        I'm not an expert as such on routines mate, but I'd suggest that's ok, and I'm sure you could up strength with it, but imo you would benefit from moving to 3 sessions per week if possible, potentially changing the Sat am session?

                        The key is shifting heavy weights, with low reps and high intensity - you may already be doing so but I'd suggest reading around the training forum and considering a routine based on 5x5 or the currently popular 5-3-1 method.
                         
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                          Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 03 November 2009 13:48 (permalink)
                          Celt


                          OK mate, so as I see it you have two strength building sessions per week?

                          I'm not an expert as such on routines mate, but I'd suggest that's ok, and I'm sure you could up strength with it, but imo you would benefit from moving to 3 sessions per week if possible, potentially changing the Sat am session?

                          The key is shifting heavy weights, with low reps and high intensity - you may already be doing so but I'd suggest reading around the training forum and considering a routine based on 5x5 or the currently popular 5-3-1 method.


                          Cheers for the reply Celt.
                           
                          Currently Weight training sessions are 5x5, but I do like the look of the 5-3-1 method. What is the protocol for the 5-3-1 method?
                           
                          I could probably change my training around a bit to incorporate a 3rd training session. I would probably have a look at the Franky NY routine or the MT strongman article just recently published.
                           
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                            Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 03 November 2009 15:15 (permalink)
                            Best info I've seen on 5-3-1 apart from buying the ebook mate is here...

                            http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/how_to_build_pure_strength



                             
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                              Re:X-Mass cycle- Up The Dose? 03 November 2009 15:30 (permalink)
                              Cheers Celt

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