age of consent-varg's post

I read in the newspapers that some teens were being put on the sex offenders register for sending their boyfriends/girlfriends raunchy photo messages.

even though it was from a 15 yr old girl to a 15yr old boy

drab4



Exactly

We frequently hear even on this forum that people in their 20s get ID'd for cigarettes!

Put a bunch of 15 year olds and another bunch of 20 year olds in a room, ask people to choose between them, and I guess the choosers would get it right most of the time. But all the time? No way

Maybe that would make a good experiment actually lol

my cousin is a prime example, unless its his local shop/pub/club so they know him he gets ID,d all the time and hes eitehr 28 or 29, he has a propper baby face tho lol - he says he,ll still look young when the rest of us look rough as sh1te lol

If it's so wrong for girls in their early teens to have sex then why does nature/God/whatever make them fertile by that age?

So you are suggesting a 9 year old girl is mentally mature enough to be having sexual relations?

CheekyChappie


If it's so wrong for girls in their early teens to have sex then why does nature/God/whatever make them fertile by that age?

That's not really the case though. More recently girls seem to be reaching puberty at a younger age, when I was young the majority of girls where in their early teens before they started to menstruate. Girls are getting bigger boobs too.....are we as humans doing something that is changing the rate of development of ourselves? Environment/diet?

I think nutrition has a big effect on puberty.

Despite our poor western diets , we are better nourished than ever in history, which brings puberty on sooner, and also means that people are getting taller than ever before.

I must have been malnourished as a kid then as I'm a short arse with no boobs and didn't start my periods until 13

Papa Lazarou


So you are suggesting a 9 year old girl is mentally mature enough to be having sexual relations?

what mental atributes do you have to have a sexual relationship?
 

Well the results can require a bit of maturity eg a sprog.  And there are dozens of other things that a 9 year old wouldn't understand.

stephen77

Papa Lazarou


So you are suggesting a 9 year old girl is mentally mature enough to be having sexual relations?

what mental atributes do you have to have a sexual relationship?
 

Being mentally mature to have sex, as is being mentally mature about anything is all about your upbringing and social interactions from a young age.

Children from a young age over the last 20 years are being bombarded with sex sex sex through advertising/internet etc. We are all desensitized to sex so to speak and having casual sex is more common and acceptable.

There are many interlinking issues here, having trouble getting my point across.

john_cappa

stephen77

Papa Lazarou


So you are suggesting a 9 year old girl is mentally mature enough to be having sexual relations?

what mental atributes do you have to have a sexual relationship?

Being mentally mature to have sex, as is being mentally mature about anything is all about your upbringing and social interactions from a young age.

Children from a young age over the last 20 years are being bombarded with sex sex sex through advertising/internet etc. We are all desensitized to sex so to speak and having casual sex is more common and acceptable.

There are many interlinking issues here, having trouble getting my point across.

If people needed a virginity pass to loose it. You were in charge of giving these out.
WHat atributes would you look for this person to have before giving them a pass?
 
no ages given but you can chat to them to find out about them etc.
 
I do not know the answer.

For women the age of consent should be 21.


At least it will be if the wife and I have a daughter.

ffs

the rule is half your age plus 7

stephen77


If people needed a virginity pass to loose it. You were in charge of giving these out.
WHat atributes would you look for this person to have before giving them a pass?
 
no ages given but you can chat to them to find out about them etc.
 
I do not know the answer.

I suppose i would like to know that the individual understands all the risks/rewards involved in having a sexual relationship and that the individual will be able to deal with the potential consequences of their actions i.e. if they get pregnant/get some one pregnant they will be able to offer the child a decent start of living and act as a responsible role model etc.

so do i get the job or what??? send all your sisters/daughters/friends around for evaluation!!!!

Its not just the repecussion on the peoples involved.  Society also has to pay the costs of these acts.   In literal fiscal points and how it fits together as a whole.

I was never emotionally mature enough to have sex at 16, i ended up being a father far too young. This was for sure a direct result of my immaturity and wrecklessness...just like thousands of other teenagers.

The age of consent is just as ambigious as most laws in this country, personally i think it should be 18.

spencerslide

The age of consent is just as ambigious as most laws in this country, personally i think it should be 18.

Would this have made any difference to when you actually started having sex?

Wheels

spencerslide

The age of consent is just as ambigious as most laws in this country, personally i think it should be 18.

Would this have made any difference to when you actually started having sex?

No it wouldn't.

It's not just the physiological aspect but physchological one. There is no where near enough "real" education in the system.

That's not really the case though. More recently girls seem to be reaching puberty at a younger age, when I was young the majority of girls where in their early teens before they started to menstruate.

That's what I'm saying, early teens. Most girls are fertile by the age of 13 I believe. Some people might ask why is it so wrong for a 13 year old girl to have sex if nature has made her ready for it? Indeed, throughout most of human history women would have bore children as soon as they were ready. Lifespan was much shorter, so 13 would effectively have been considered adult, the women old enough to breed, the men old enough to go out hunting or working.

The reason we see 13 as too young now is that in our modern society we have the luxury of shifting everything later. We now define 13 as an age at which you should still be being nurtured and educated. Babies aren't conducive to this so an arbitrary threshold has been set at 16 at which society doesn't want you running the risk of pregnancy (finish your compulsory education first!). It's not because it's inherently wrong, it's for practical reasons, for the good of society.

CheekyChappie

That's not really the case though. More recently girls seem to be reaching puberty at a younger age, when I was young the majority of girls where in their early teens before they started to menstruate.

The reason we see 13 as too young now is that in our modern society we have the luxury of shifting everything later. We now define 13 as an age at which you should still be being nurtured and educated. Babies aren't conducive to this so an arbitrary threshold has been set at 16 at which society doesn't want you running the risk of pregnancy (finish your compulsory education first!). It's not because it's inherently wrong, it's for practical reasons, for the good of society.

 
Social policy has changed over the years as we have become more advanced and educated IMO. I have no idea if the UK has ever has a social climate that thought 13 year old mothers was the norm? If it has I would guess it was along time back when society accepted lots of weird stuff like burning witches at the stake etc. Thats not being sarcastic, just saying that we have moved on from many darker times in our history as we have become more educated as a wider society.
 
Society values childrens rights and grants them more protection today than its probably ever done before. In centuries past they had little or no rights in society and it was hard to define 'abuse' as realy nobody understood it was possible to abuse the rights of someone who had 'none'.
 
Im have little idea what the medical profession feels about the mental and physical complications of a 13 year old (or even younger) giving birth? I would guess that on both grounds there would be at least serious concern that either or both could cause problems for the child. We dont have to look back too far in our past to see how little regard was given to mental health within society and how poor the whole area was understood and dealt with.
 
We have moved on from the darker times and now understand that there are many reasons why its wrong on many counts for people to have sex with 13 year old girls and the vast vast majority of society will agree with that I have little doubt.
 
The law can be judged as being wrong.
 
Social policy cannot be judged as being wrong and thats why its inherently wrong IMHO.