age of consent-varg's post

Just been having a discussion about age of sexual consent with the mrs, and decided to look it up:

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

I'm pretty surprised by some of the countries:
15 in France
14 in Germany
13 in Spain!!

Sleeping with a 15 year old in this country would get you locked up and your face plastered over the tabloids, with the mob at your door, nevermind 13!

I suppose you have to draw a line somewhere
 
 
i am not going to get involved in this post as i got the last one locked but after a pm from varg i told him i would re-post it

It will just get locked again mate sooner or later.
Thanks anyway.

Well if you all avoid language that will make it locked it might just survive. The fact that the original was locked might doom it anyway but I'm an optomist!

For what it's worth I'm personally torn on what the proper age of consent should be. I think it truely depends on the individual but for the sake of safety it should be higher not lower

lol @ monitor

Threads like this can only possibly survive in an environment in which all board members are willing to discuss the subject in a mature, rerasonable manner.

I'll give it about 5 minutes on here...

Probably not that long.

Very sensitive subject seen very differently by men/women/parents etc.

My reason for posting it is that it seems weird to me that the age which defines whether someone is a child or adult, and therefore whether someone sleeping with them is a paedophile or not varies so much in countries which are so close culturally.

Imo, 16 is bang on.
 
Edit... dont filth this up as its not what i meant...

PAGAN
it should be higher not lower

I completely agree. Wouldn't stop people though, shame.

I always find it weird that people can have sex at 16, die for their country as a child but cannot legally watch pornography until they're 18.

16 seems right to me too.
But if you knew someone who had relations with a 13 yo and they then  told you it was okay because it was in Spain, would you immediately think "oh, that's ok then"?

Well it's controversial only because that has been drilled into us. I mean, i presume there isn't a huge outcry in spain about it. Altho if you look at it lets have a think who has the highest age of consent; America. Now take a look at some of their others laws i.e drugs/alcohol. To me suggests the goverment are more controlling. That's all. There;'s nothing wrong or right about it it's just how you have been brough up to "believe" what is right or wrong. Just look at other cultures around the world, many many variations in right/wrong.

To me the key word is consent, it is not the age. Obviously there is a line because under a certain age there would be no consent (without manipulation/brain washing etc). But consent is consent.

Varg


16 seems right to me too.
But if you knew someone who had relations with a 13 yo and they then  told you it was okay because it was in Spain, would you immediately think "oh, that's ok then"?

If they were not Spanish then it is wrong by the law (imo as im used to it being 16, anything less is wrong regardless of the law)

I don't really have an opinion as I don't think an age of consent actually affects much in the real world. It's just another law which doesn't do much

One thing worth bearing in mind is that kids are maturing earlier and earlier as time goes on. Physically that is. I'm not sure about mental development (although on a biological level the two are somewhat tied)

I imagine the thread can stay open if people just stay polite

PAGAN

For what it's worth I'm personally torn on what the proper age of consent should be. I think it truely depends on the individual but for the sake of safety it should be higher not lower

If you're when your son turned 18 the laws changed consent to 18 and he continued to sleep with his 17 or 16 year old girlfriend would you still hold the same opinion? Even when he is arrested, publicly branded a peadophile and sent to prison?

Of course for most people things will change when you have a daughter of your own, i fully realise this fact.

OK, as this now seems to be doing OK I will avoid the desire to lock a restarted topic. In future tho pls run it by the Mod in question first, just common 'netiquette' to do so.

And incidently, many countries with the younger ages for consent still do not permit 18+ to have sex with them. They can still be breaking the law if they are not of a similar age.

drab4


I don't really have an opinion as I don't think an age of consent actually affects much in the real world. It's just another law which doesn't do much

It affects how people think of those who sleep with under 16's.

withouth the opinion of someone from spain, france ans germany on here its a bit of a futile discussion, 16 is the norm for us, 13 may be the norm for then....

I personally think 13 is way to young, but then considering we have the highest teenage pregnacy rate in europe with one of the highest ages of consent somhing doesnt quite add up.

I think the whole idea of setting an age of consent is a bit weird anyway. Basically what the legislature is saying is (in Spain for example): If you are 13 or over, then you know enough about sex and relationships and what you want, etc. to have the capacity to provide valid consent for sexual relations.

Capacity for consent (at law) doesn't seem any different to me than, say, capacity for intent (in the case of murder, for example)? And there is no hard and fast rules to say whether somebody has the capacity to intend to kill somebody or not (ie. in cases of insane automatism), this decision will be determined based on the circumstances.

Would it not be a workable alternative to just presume that a person has the capacity to consent, and then if in the case of an alleged statutory rape type situation, it would for the court to determine whether he or she at the time, did in fact have consent or not? And obviously no jurist would ever say that a 9 year old or whatever could provide valid consent because being 9 they almost certainly would have no understanding of what was going on, and thus a precedent would be set, but without the hard and fast rules which have the potential to lead to injustice?

My daughter is 13 and while I know I will not be seen as  a objectinal commenter I honestly dont think she is ready..........to see her next prospective boyfriend  beheaded with a blunt sythe





No really ..........






I also have access to several shotguns ...and in the event of my death my father and brother also own guns ad care deaply for my daughter.......you c*nts

i think the problem is age difference more than anything to be honest.  i mean i see nothing wront with two 14 year olds being sexual if they want, but a 14 year old and a 25 year old?  now that would be wrong imo.  But its impossible to make such complicated laws.  So i think 16 is a good balance.

if we all lived in spain we wouldnt see anything wrong with 13, and probably think 16 was very 'bigbrother state'.   Personally though i think 13 is way too young, especially if there is a bigish age difference