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anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen?

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2008/09/21 23:04:51 (permalink)

anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen?

So i really dont want acne or at least limit the chances, anavar seems to be the way forward, im looking at 40mg per day, not a lot i know but everyones different. Problem is PCT acne seems to be inevitable so at this low dose of 40mg per day over 7 weeks, what would happen if i didnt use clomid/nolva and opted for a test raising supp like animal stak or trib for pct?
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    foofighterson
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:07:32 (permalink)
    hmmm u need 2 research my friend!

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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:08:49 (permalink)
    the acne during pct is more often than not down to hormone levels, not down to the choice of pct meds.

    i get no acne at all on cycle, yet quite alot during pct, and i dont run nolva or clomid.

    if you dont want to risk any acne, then steroids arent the right choice.

    your dose of anavar is also way too low


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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:17:32 (permalink)
    I agree 40 mg a day of Var will do nothing for you. You need to double that.
    My mate ran a Var cycle of 80 mg a day for 6 weeks and didnt bother with pct he didnt suffer any ill effects.
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:22:49 (permalink)
    Well my research so far tells me, anavar will shut me down but not completly, also i know gyno isnt a problem with anavar and my test levels will come back to normal eventually, i know thats risking gains and so wondered about 'lighter' alternatives, i understand the pct med wont cause acne but the rapid raising of test levels that occurs during pct could contribute to the hormone fluctuation indirectly causing acne in some. 40mgs to low? maybe but i can always add to it rather than jump in at the deep end. Iv been training many years 'naturally' and get spots from some natural test boosters but it wont stop me training-- if i can lower the chances of getting acne i will. Correct me if im wrong about any of this-im sure you will.
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:26:35 (permalink)
    wont shut you down competely?  erm yes it will

    rapidly rising test levels in pct?  afraid not!

    you wont have to worry about losing gains from 40mgs anavar, as its pretty likely there will be little in the first place


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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:31:18 (permalink)
    angelfan

    I agree 40 mg a day of Var will do nothing for you. You need to double that.
    My mate ran a Var cycle of 80 mg a day for 6 weeks and didnt bother with pct he didnt suffer any ill effects.


    No ill effects even after he stopped the anavar? I know people say you 'need' x amount a day but every one is different and iv heard people experiencing gains from low doses such as 40mg's, if i dont i can up the dose. Im not 100% but doesnt everyone have varying steriod receptors? or at least steriod receptors with different sensitivity?
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:39:13 (permalink)
    dazc

    wont shut you down competely?  erm yes it will

    rapidly rising test levels in pct?  afraid not!

    you wont have to worry about losing gains from 40mgs anavar, as its pretty likely there will be little in the first place


    Its weird how different people come up with different info, yet an individuals own opinions are always set in stone, if anavar will completly shut me down then why are meds like deca refered to as needing a aggressive pct to recover test levels due to the fact it'll 'totally shut you down' yet people using anavar sometimes dont use pct (two people in this thread alone have mentioned this)

    Is it not true that the use of nolva/clomid in pct will raise test levels quicker than without using them? Of course its true because thats one of the reasons there used.
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/21 23:47:07 (permalink)
    True I suppose but how AAS effects people is roughly the same in everybody isnt it. and what dosages to take are roughly the same for example the usual starting dose for Test is between 250 mg and 500 mg per week 500 mg being the more common.

    Now when you talk about Var and taking 40 mg a day is abit like recommending Test at 150 mg a week.
    Yes you are using a AAS.
    Yes that dose will shut you down.
    And will you make any additional gains over natural Training. Prob Not.

    So you can see why Var is recommended to take at 80 mg a day The very minimum I would take Var at is 60 mg a day but even at that dose i wouldnt get excited at the gains you are excepting.









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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 09:31:08 (permalink)
    Agree 40mg ED not enough

    Also agree that it'll shut you down, you don't NEED PCT, but it would be best to have it.

    If you want to do a cycle but are worried about acne why not keep accutane to hand or try a primo/var cycle?

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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 13:38:24 (permalink)
    thanks everyone for the advise on 40 mg anavar, guess deep down i knew the answear but thats wishful thinking eh. Wiffers, why would a primo/var cycle be easier on the acne sides than a anavar only cycle? Is it usual practise for people to purchase accutane from the internet? i have seen sites advirtising it but kinda thort there must be a catch if doctors are reluctant to perscribe it. It was something i had in mind. 
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 14:12:36 (permalink)
    Primo/var would not be easier than var, but primo stacks well with var and that combination is good for acne.

    Accutane had a lot of sides, shouldn't be taken lightly, but works. Can't dicuss sources, but look into getting isotrentinion, it's literally 100x cheaper.

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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 15:14:07 (permalink)
    Thanks wiffers ill look in to it.
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 19:50:55 (permalink)
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    dazc

    wont shut you down competely?  erm yes it will

    rapidly rising test levels in pct?  afraid not!

    you wont have to worry about losing gains from 40mgs anavar, as its pretty likely there will be little in the first place


    Its weird how different people come up with different info, yet an individuals own opinions are always set in stone, if anavar will completly shut me down then why are meds like deca refered to as needing a aggressive pct to recover test levels due to the fact it'll 'totally shut you down' yet people using anavar sometimes dont use pct (two people in this thread alone have mentioned this)

    Is it not true that the use of nolva/clomid in pct will raise test levels quicker than without using them? Of course its true because thats one of the reasons there used.


    ive never said that deca needs an agressive pct. i dont see much difference in shutdown levels, when taking into account halflifes.

    anavar is proven by medical study to be supressive, so how people can have the opinion it isnt and therefore doesnt need some form of pct is beyond me.

    yes, serms will raise testosterone levels quicker than without, but in no way could this be reffered to as 'rapidly rising test levels'.  they will return gradually over a number of weeks.


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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 19:59:58 (permalink)
    has anyone actually stating that 40mg var per day is not enough actually ran this amount?

    i was always of the opinion it wasnt too, 3 good friends ran between 80-120mg per day for 8-12 weeks, all had good results.

    but the older more experienced users i know who have a welath of knowledge never run more than 50mg. like they say its a mild steroid it gives mild results, if you want better results than it can give then use something different and dont waste your cash using stupid amounts.

    until i try it myself i wont know, just food for thought.
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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/22 21:24:55 (permalink)
    I am still undecided that any PCT would help following a cycle of Anavar only, as estrogen levels will not raise then what use would a SERM be? I see only Androgen level elevation from Anavar and we know that will self correct due to the drugs half-life, so in theory natural hormone production will also rectify itself just as quickly with, or without the use of Nolva/Clomid etc.
     
    Shut-down from Nandrolone (deca) is a different story to most as you are dealing with something that affects estrogen and progesterone levels in one and has also shown an ability to re-esterify itself so continues to have an effect a long time after original half-lives suggest.

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    Re:anavar without nolva pct-whats the worst that can happen? 2008/09/23 17:59:11 (permalink)
    Im glad to see im not the only one who was unsure about this, id like to hear from people who have used anavar at low does without pct and tell me exsactly what they found.
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