best pre workout formula?

Shotgun, no xplode, pulse are good ime. No xplode the best out of the lot.

I'd like to try something along these lines minus the creatine!! anything?

Ok then another way of looking at this, if I was to go for example to MyProtein for said ingredients what would be my basic requirments for a pre-pump workout formula?,minus the creatine.

Oasis why no creatine?

Theres lots of ingrediants you could mix and match for an effective pre wo supp eg below:

-Citrulline malate
-Beta alanine
-Taurine
-Tyrosine
-Arginine
-Glucoronolactone

Let's just say mate to keep this thread from spilling over into "studies prove this and studies prove that" that the stuff just doesn't agree with me, that apart though thanks for those tips any one's over the others in preference?

Ok mate no problem but remember theres not even much creatine in pre wo supplements and alot have diff sorts of creatine in it. Pre wo supps would only contain a few grams creatine, not much at all.

You see some of the above like BA and CM are best consumed daily, but may still help if taken pre wo. If you like pumps arginine and CM are good from what ive read. BA is good for endurance. Taurine gives focus.

I would go for something like this:
-Citrulline malate
-Beta alanine
-Taurine
-200mg tablet of caffeine

Caffeine is the best about for energy, you could take a 200mg tablet 30mins pre wo, it will give you energy and delay the onset of fatigue, if i had to chose one ingrediant pre wo it would be caffeine, infact i would say caffeine pre would be more benefitial than the 3 above ingrediants put together.

Many thanks mate.

I've tried N.O Xplode , Tri matrix and Magnum V12.

N.O Xplode had a very good taste in it's Orange flavour , but the crash was a bit dodgy and the results were average.

Tri Matrix tasted foul as anything but produced better results imo than N.O Xplode and a slightly lesser crash effect.

The Magnum X I only had a sachet of which seemed to tick all the right boxes , but as my diet wasn't the best on the day I don't think I got the best out of it.

Looking to give N.O Shotgun a go soon.

How do you guys fit your protein in around the same sort of time when you consume these ?

Take your protein about 30 mins pre wo, then take your pre wo supp 15 mins pre wo or so.

Ive been through about 10 different pre-wo supps and the best overall is MRI Blackpowder followed by superpump250.
 No Xplode just doesnt compare to the other 2 IMO
Ragnorak was also decent.

Best ive used would have to be No explode (if you can handle the high stim content) for pump, energy and aggresion.Superpump, at 3 scoops gave me decent pumps but felt slightly jittery on it, even at 2 scoops.However i did seem to sweat more on it, probably going along with the theory that it states of making you burn fat also lol
MRI BlackPowder was a mix of both,however id say the mental focus and concentration was amazing on blackpowder,never tryed at 2 servings, as have only previously done samples but was impressive from only 3 seperate uses

There are two very good ones on the market today that i have used too.
These are PreSurge and Jack3d. I would have to say that PreSurge (capsules) has the edge slightly but i do here there is a new powdered version coming soon with extra goodies in there. You can get this at Predatornutrition too.

best one i have tried pal is nox pump

I have tried Superpump 250, No Xlpode, Metrx Amped, they are all pretty much the same.  But if you want the real deal, UPS Labs - J4ck3d. You dont get the crazy pump after the workout that some of the NO products give you.  But you will never want to lift so hard!  It gives you an awesome pins and needles feeling when you take it, and as soon as you walk into the gym, all you want to do is lift the heaviest weight you can get your hands on.

Try VOLCA.N.O from PROTECH :) works great and taste is amazing.

Really want to try j4ck3d.  Lately I've been taking 30g of cacao nibs with some goji berries preworkout and the effect during workout is amazing.

Anyone ever used cold fusion ex LG Science ?