can someone just clear this up for us please

what is the difference between Adex and Tamoxifen?
 
 
just in basic terms, i know Adex stops the conversion to oestrogen?

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It's not hard to google it or look in articles

briankelly1986


what is the difference between Adex and Tamoxifen?


just in basic terms, i know Adex stops the conversion to oestrogen?

You basically answered your own question. Tamoxifen stops oestrogen from binding to the breast tissue receptors in the chest. You where right about the adex (same for aromasin and letro....although letro is meant to be the ultimate daddy)

nice one scotty
 
so if i was to run armidex while i was on a course of test to avoid gyno, is it still worth taking the tamoxifen for after it?
 
sorry for the basics mate, just trying to get more advice, ive read most of the articles on here but think im just stupid and dont really get the difference!

briankelly1986


nice one scotty

so if i was to run armidex while i was on a course of test to avoid gyno, is it still worth taking the tamoxifen for after it?

sorry for the basics mate, just trying to get more advice, ive read most of the articles on here but think im just stupid and dont really get the difference!

Yes
 
You would use nolva for PCT

Aye use an AI (Aromatise Inhibiter) on cycle if you are gyno prone then use the Tamoxifen for your post cycle therapy mate. Whats your cycle look like? Whats your stats?

Don't go too mad with the ai mate you need oestrogen to build muscle if you nuke it too hard you'll prevent gains.

Minger

its my first course, just going to run test on its own, just want to get all me meds first, i'l see what Test i can get hold of when ive got them.
 
looking at about 800mg a week? that ok for me first course dya think, or should i just do two half ml jabs a week (400mg a week)
 
im 5'10 12.5 stone train 5 times a week, been training for about 7 years on and off, last 2 years have been constant like, started with mainly more endurance training at first but want to grow abit now so been doing fewer reps more sets.
 
sorry im 25 and i'm going to do a 10 week course, i wont be using it until ive got all me facts like

thanks for the advice mate, what do u think then minger? how much a day, see the thing is ive got abit of gyno from when i was younger mate. no one else notices it but i do! it pisses me off! so trying to avoild that at all costs!

I'd do 500 mg or there about. Perfect for your first run. Is it test 400 your running ? If so maybe do 600 mg/week i.e 1.5 ml. 
 
Tolerance to AI's is person specific, some need more some need less. Take half a tab of adex eod or e3d is a good starting point.
 
You could just use Tamoxifen, 10-20 mg per day for estrogen support. Some say that AI's aren't needed on 500 mg though and I agree depending on BF etc.
 
Good luck

Tamoxifen won't lower oestrogen directly it just prevents it binding with the receptor, not just in the chest either.

Adex will actively lowers oestrogen by inhibiting aromatisation

You can use either separately for pct, or both although aromasin would be my personal preference.

As sawdust says its up to you what you run, adex 1/2 pill eod or e3d if you notice any symptoms just up it a little, you'll get to know your own body mate. Or nolva, I think nolva is the more expensive option

If you got a little gyno chances are the nolva will clear it up during your pct, if not letro will probably shift it if you willing to not have sex for a couple of weeks and put up with the sides.

good luck mate

Minger

As the guys above have said 800mg/wk is too high for a first cycle mate. 400 to 500mg/wk is ideal. I wouldn't bother with an AI for a cycle which only involves Test as you are only dealing with elevated estrogen for gyno and PCT, Nolvadex will cover both of these aspects perfectly and also if run throughout the cycle at 20mg/day would likely clear up your pre-existing gyno condition mate.
 
Bigfella.

Thanks lads!! BIG HELP believe me
 
Id be buzzing if that nolvadex clears my existing gyno up Big Fella! i always thought u could only get rid of it through surgery!
 
so if i was to run Test 500mg / week for ten weeks, 20mg ed of tamoxifen,
 
how would i go about the tamoxifen for PCT seen as though i would be on it already through my course?

Just carry on running it at 20 mg per day for 6 ish weeks after your last shot, I don't think there is any need to taper. pct would normally start 2 weeks after your last shot then run it for 20 day to 1 month or until you feel recovered.

Minger

so i dont need that 2-3 week break after my last shot then? just carry on with 20mg ed for for a month!
 
im nearly there lads haha

No need to take a break mate as you will continue dosing to assist with gyno reversal and control.
 
Bigfella.

ok i think im on it
 
500mg of test (two 0.5 shots per week) for 10 weeks
20mg tamoxifen ed throughout the ten week course and then 20mg ed after for about 6 weeks
 
?? THAT IT! is that f*cking it! heres me worrying about a million and one meds! haha
 
sound so just need to train hard eat properly and grow like a weed!!

Go for it mate and good luck.


Minger

Just train and eat as much as you can. Is it test 500 mate?
 
If it's the lab I'm thinking of just take 1ml once a week as there's a decanoate ester in it so it's pretty long acting, up to you though.