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Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 14 December 2009 23:13 (permalink)
You oughta try partials mate - you can do lower weight and its much harder work!
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    Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 14 December 2009 23:24 (permalink)
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    You oughta try partials mate - you can do lower weight and its much harder work!


    ?? which part of the range?
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      Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 07:37 (permalink)
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      ive spent alot of time thinking about the reps/weight thing.  you read the info on stuff like DC training, and you would think it was the only way to grow.   But im not as strong as i was a few years ago, but i know for a fact i have alot more lean muscle, so the whole have to get stronger to get bigger thing is a bit overrated, in terms of 1RM lifts.  im still 'stronger' in terms of reps i can do.
       
      honestly i dont think it really matters, if you blast the muscle you tear it!  the only difference i see with the higher reps is less injuries, and as consistency is the most important thing, then thats got to be the way forward for me at least!


      define 'blast the muscle'
       
      while i liked the higher rep work during prep i never really strayed higher than 12 reps. 12-20+ seems to be more of a cardio aerobic exercise or a feat of endurance more than anything.
       
      While i agree the chances of injury are less than lower reps/heavier weights... do you not feel you are coasting rather than progressing?
       
      Benching 18 reps then being able to bench 20 reps.... is that an increase in strength or an increase in stamina/endurance?
       
      While i do believe that an increase in strength does lead to an increase in muscle size, i also agree in different rep ranges for different body parts.
       
      You know i have my feet on the other side of the river on this one, just thought a little discussion is good for both of us.
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        Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:19 (permalink)
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        define 'blast the muscle'
         
        while i liked the higher rep work during prep i never really strayed higher than 12 reps. 12-20+ seems to be more of a cardio aerobic exercise or a feat of endurance more than anything.
         
        While i agree the chances of injury are less than lower reps/heavier weights... do you not feel you are coasting rather than progressing?
         
        Benching 18 reps then being able to bench 20 reps.... is that an increase in strength or an increase in stamina/endurance?
         
        While i do believe that an increase in strength does lead to an increase in muscle size, i also agree in different rep ranges for different body parts.
         
        You know i have my feet on the other side of the river on this one, just thought a little discussion is good for both of us.

        hmm, well i supposse if the weight i used on the 18 reps was 'light' then i would just be cruising, but the next day and the day after the chest was definately torn!
         
        i do go heavy once every now and then, but if i drop the reps and up the weight into the 6,8 or 10 rep ranges, then i seem to get tendon problems PDQ!
         
        a few years ago, i could bench, squat, shoulder press etc etc, quite alot more than i can now, but im carrying alot more muscle!
         
        i dont think im any worse off, lifting lighter and more reps. 
         
        BUT that said, if i could consistantly push very heavy and not suffer injuries then i probably would, as lifting very heavy is a good ego boost!  id love to get back to my bench of old, where i was doing 155-160 for reps, 130kg OH shoulder press etc :-(
         
         
        on the bench increase from 18-20 reps, and wether it is strenth or endurance increase, well i think its both!  the muscle has more endurance because it needs to use less percentage of the fibres for each rep (a fibre can only pull or not, strenth is regulated by fibre recruitment).  so more reps on the same weight means less fibres are being used for each rep, so they must be stronger!! If your working very low rep ranges, then strenth increases are due to the same reason IMO, and a little bit of CNS adaptation
         
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          Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:24 (permalink)
          been a long day today, 12 and a bit hours at work, so called in at the gym on the way home, and did legs, was bloody hard work, and knees arent great, after kneeling down for a few days tiling bathrooms!
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            Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:24 (permalink)
            been a long day today, 12 and a bit hours at work, so called in at the gym on the way home, and did legs, was bloody hard work, and knees arent great, after kneeling down for a few days tiling bathrooms!
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              Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:33 (permalink)
              Urgh that doesn't sound nice :/

              Glad you're feeling the luuurve for the incline DBs.. just started doing these and I LOVE them, they're such a nice movement!
               
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                Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:43 (permalink)
                incline DB's are FAB!
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                  Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:48 (permalink)
                  I missed out the flyes bit oops ! I'm doing Incline DB flyes not pressing .. LOL !

                  Ah well nevermind, incline is good
                   
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                    Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 20:56 (permalink)
                    I LOVE Incline DB's, not Incline BB mind... Infact, not any kind of BB really... :-/ You get a much nicer range of motion with DB's I think...
                     
                    I think it's great to 'feel the burn' with higher reps... Not all the time, but every now and again :-) You can't physically go hard and heavy ALL the time
                     
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                      Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:07 (permalink)
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                      I LOVE Incline DB's, not Incline BB mind... Infact, not any kind of BB really... :-/ You get a much nicer range of motion with DB's I think...
                       
                      I think it's great to 'feel the burn' with higher reps... Not all the time, but every now and again :-) You can't physically go hard and heavy ALL the time


                      definately! i pretty much avoid the BB altogether now, it seems to do nothing but cause me shoulder and RC problems!
                       
                       
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                        Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:26 (permalink)
                        I hate benching with une passion..full stop...however its good for the old delts too....so I have extra VIGOUR...Ha!  Yep, DBS brill ROM I find.

                        Crikey.......me....in a convo....with boys....about BENCHING......get me to a stairmaster FAST!!  I'll be discussing PBs next...  swoon...
                         
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                          Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:36 (permalink)
                          Hi Daz, if the dumbell are too light why not super-set them, do flyes for 10 reps then straight away do the dumbell press if you get the flyes right you should be lucky to get 10 reps out of the presses but, you will be working the pec muscles more due to the pre-exhaust.
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                            Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:39 (permalink)
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                            Hi Daz, if the dumbell are too light why not super-set them, do flyes for 10 reps then straight away do the dumbell press if you get the flyes right you should be lucky to get 10 reps out of the presses but, you will be working the pec muscles more due to the pre-exhaust.


                            doh, why didnt i think of that???  will do that this week when i do chest!  cant go too heavy with the flys, as it annoys the RC but it will certainly knock a good few reps off !
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                              Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:42 (permalink)
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                              I hate benching with une passion..full stop...however its good for the old delts too....so I have extra VIGOUR...Ha!  Yep, DBS brill ROM I find.

                              Crikey.......me....in a convo....with boys....about BENCHING......get me to a stairmaster FAST!!  I'll be discussing PBs next...  swoon...


                              yeah!! get a much better squeeze on the chest at the top, feels so much better than BB bench!  AND the better arm range has a good crossover to the tris as well ;-)
                               
                              stairmaster?  what is this strange thing you speak of????  lmao!
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                                Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 21:55 (permalink)
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                                Hi Daz, if the dumbell are too light why not super-set them, do flyes for 10 reps then straight away do the dumbell press if you get the flyes right you should be lucky to get 10 reps out of the presses but, you will be working the pec muscles more due to the pre-exhaust.


                                doh, why didnt i think of that???  will do that this week when i do chest!  cant go too heavy with the flys, as it annoys the RC but it will certainly knock a good few reps off !


                                Mwuhahahaha !! Enjoy that one


                                 
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                                  Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 15 December 2009 22:55 (permalink)
                                  IB:

                                  Like Daz says - if I go heavy too often, my shoulder begins to pull and then I can feel tendons pulling and a familiar tearing feeling.  If I do several weeks of light work and then a couple of weeks of heavy i'm fine - heavy for too long and the RC begins to deterioate, to a state of where it hurts sleeping on it.
                                  Indeed, my shoulder when lifted to the front currently feels gristly and crunchy inside (not painful) if I rotate to the front or to the side.

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                                    Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 16 December 2009 20:58 (permalink)
                                    appetite is back with a bang!   have eaten alot of pineapple the last few days, and it seems to have helped! happily this coincides with me increasing cheat meals from one to two a week, so one midweek and one weekend.  (when i say cheat, i mean pig out)

                                    so tonights eating is-

                                    6 chicken fajhitas comprising
                                    250g chicken, 2 peppers, 6 tortillas, pot of sour cream, pot of salsa, cheese

                                    2 pieces of chocolate cheesecake, tub of extra thick jersey cream.
                                    2 cans of redbull cola.

                                    so that takes tonights 'cheat' meal to about 2600 cals.  hmmmmm tasty!  lol
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                                      Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 16 December 2009 21:40 (permalink)
                                      Can we have a cheat food warning in future please ?
                                       
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                                        Re:Dazc competing today (Sunday) at the Leeds UKBFF 16 December 2009 21:43 (permalink)
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                                        Can we have a cheat food warning in future please ?


                                        haha, its revenge for everyone that talked about food during my prep! haha
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