ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

ORIGINAL: CoNs
the full phase should last about 11 weeks i think.. can i take any other supplements while on Hydroxy? i.e planning taking Taurine maybe and even some non stim Sesamin?
have u tried the Grenade from Muscle finesse?

I wouldn't bother with anything else. Hydroxytrim is a good product.

i haven't used grenade.

cheers partyboy

i heard Hydroxytrim isnt being stocked again @ MF

plan on starting Hydroxy on Feb 1

thanks for the info

Hi partyboy

Im thinking about starting a cycle of ECA and clenbuterol.

Do you know of any sites online where i can buy these products and how should they be taken.

Any advice

Give this link a try for some of it: www.astronutrition.com/weight-loss-weight-loss-ephedrine-ephedra-25_1/#buyew

ORIGINAL: AndyJay

I certainly feel like they are working, i.e. i get that wired feeling and usually can't manage more than 2 a day but i don/t seem to be losing any weight when i take them. Are there any other ones that are better? I've heard the ones with a K on them are the best, whats the proper name for those?

Is everything else in order mate,diet and CV? eph wont do sh1t otherwise except give you a tingly head....which is nice.

Just read through this whole thread lol, good work PB
I am going to start an ECA stack on monday. I have just ordered some eph HCL (8mg) tabs off astronutrition along with caffeine tabs (100 x 200mg), with postage and using the discount it was £28 which aint too bad.
Im looking forward to starting it, my schedule for cardio will be:
TUE - 30mins swimming (am) 30-45 mins running (pm)
THUR - 30 mins running (am)
FRI - 30-45 mins running (pm)
SAT - 30-45 mins running (am)
Is this enough cardio (combined with a good diet)? I burn around 500 calories each time.
If I stick to this for 12 weeks will I see noticeable weight loss?

Also I have not had effects to aspirin before, shall I include it in the stack? Im really focused on weight loss atm so how important is it to include it?
Sorry if I have waffled on, thanks for you time.

P.S. By the way, how does this stack compare to stimerex-es?

Stimerex ES Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Servings Per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving:

Sida Cordifolia Extract (leaves) (25mg ephedra group alkaloids) Acacia Rigidula 70% (leaves) Theobroma Cocoa Extract Phenylethylamine HCL Citrus Aurantium/Synephrine 30% Extract (fruit) (10mg of Synephrine group alkaloids) Green Tea Extract (leaves) Yohimbe Extract (Bark) Naringen (fruit) 6 - 7 Dihydroxy Bergamottin (fruit) Caffeine (anhydrous) 80 mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline Cellulose Dextrose Sodium Starch Glucolate Magnesium Stearate Stearic Acid FD&C Blue # 1 FD&C Red # 40.'

Just wanted to clarify 2 things about ephedrine

1. As well as being a strong fat burner does it help maintain LBM while cutting?

2. How much time b4 your WO should u take it, I'm asking because it's a good idea to take it with caffeine and I've been told u should take caffeine about an hour b4, is this too long b4 training?

ORIGINAL: b21man
Is this enough cardio (combined with a good diet)? I burn around 500 calories each time.
If I stick to this for 12 weeks will I see noticeable weight loss?

Impossible to predict cardio requirements as they are personal, though your plan looks reasonable. Also, impossible to predict fat loss results. You must gauge progress and tailor diet and cardio activity accordingly.

Also I have not had effects to aspirin before, shall I include it in the stack? Im really focused on weight loss atm so how important is it to include it?

Not particularly necessary tbh.

P.S. By the way, how does this stack compare to stimerex-es?

Effects should be similar tbh

dan:

1) I wouldn't count on it. If your cut is harsh then expect muscle catabolism never to be far away. A sensible rate of loss is best.

2) 30-45mins is about right.

does it slow down to destruction of LBM!!

Agreed with fat loss. I'd lost around 10-12lbs in 4 weeks which seemed a little too quick, i've upped the food levels again and i'm back to around 1.5lbs a week, much more controlled.

As anyone got a link to the effects of long term eca use?

cheers

Personally i take 4 a day - 2 1st thing with my breakfast and 2 - 20 mins before i go the gym so they kick in soon as im there and ready to work

day off from Gym (still proberly do some fitness) - i take 2 only with breakfast

once every few weeks i take nothing, my tip is to carry your water bottle in the gym or any sport your doing keep hydrated as the ephadrine will make you de-hydrated very quickly, yes the norm things happen your penis strinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

like all drugs moderation is the key, when you go on holiday take a week or two off !! if you have heart problems id stay clear off it


cardio all the way !!!

ORIGINAL: Nunners

yes the norm things happen your penis strinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

what???

ORIGINAL: b21man

ORIGINAL: Nunners

yes the norm things happen your penis shrinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

what???

Yeup, that can be a genuine side effect.

Although it only affects it whilst flaccid, so nothing to worry about if you're with a partner

Also as soon as the ECA has worn off everything is back to normal.

Once upon a time I read that ephedrine was anti-catabolic to some degree, I know its not as anti-catabolic as Clen but is there any evidence of it showing any muscle sparing?

I just ordered some ephedrine from astro, haven't used it for years so it should be a nice boost while on the treadmill. Can't believe the price, it wasn't so long ago (10 years) I was paying £15 per 1000 x 30mg, now its £8.99 for 50 x 8mg!

i think your right, who's got the accurate info on this.

Hey. I've been reading through this thread as i'm at the end of a cut and i wanna shift those last couple of pounds that i want to be rid of. ECA seems like a fairly good way of achieving this.

Do people buy ECA stacks in one pill or do you do it in three? What do people suggest?

I am considering buying a product called Thermalean with these dosages:

Ma Huang 350 mg
(standardized 8% for 28 mg ephedrine)
Kola Nut 350 mg
(standardized 50% for 175 mg caffeine)
Chromium Picolinate 200 mg
White Willow 25 mg

Basically i'm lazy and can't be arsed to work out the dosages i'd need from three pills, but i will if this thermalean isn't worth it or has the wrong dosages in it.

Also i understand this is a herbal equivalent, is this as good as the real thing?

Any help would be brill.

MAtt

That product looks fine.

Hi Party boy,

having read this thread i have started taking ephs, can you read the below link so not to post twice, i am trying to work out if i might have overdone the chest eze tabs

see this http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1677683/tm.htm

with the added ephs, could this have made a huge increase in my rmr and wanting to eat more.

any thoughts on weather i have just experienced major sides etc, or not ruling out over doing my efforts, or even a simple stomach bug.