ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

So there's no significant difference. As im contemplating purchasing pure ephedrine but if the effects are not drastically better than Ma Huang then there is no need.

Thanks PB!

lilbigman

I think they are trying to out-alpha you.

I'd be wary of stating it that definitely. If you've tried genuine 25-35mg Ephedrine stacks they feel pretty different to even some of the crazy-ass dosed products out now with Ephedra Alkaloids...The real ephedrine feels more like the bronchodilator it is, with massive rushing breath, while some of the Ephedra replacements feel just like strong caffeine...

Or maybe that's just my mind over matter after buying up the real stuff!

Better living through chemistry...

You didn't have to add any extra caffeine to the 'genuine' ephedrine did you? Iv been told it will over stimulate your system.

THE_MANN

lilbigman

I think they are trying to out-alpha you.

I didn't bother adding the caffeine to the pure ephedrine as I'd feel like I was having a heart attack! But personally I'm not the best with extreme stimulants and I don't drink lots of coffee so adding a few hundred mgs of caffeine to pure 30mg ephedrine would probably be overkill for me. I have found lots of guys with high stimulant tolerance use the full stack without problems though. I'd look at how you react with a few test days and back off if you can't handle it.

Better living through chemistry...

Best solution would be to drop the eph content and add caffeine. Half the eph and add 200mg caffeine.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

If you have a splittable ephedrine tab/powder or a breakable capsule you can certainly try part dosing. Just be sure what dose you start with. There are 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 25, 30, 35 and possibly even 40mg Ephedrine tabs depending on your source for it from what I've seen.

The Caffeine can help with fat metabolism and release, generally its accepted that the Aspirin part isn't required. You can throw in some natural thermogenics in there too. Green tea is always handy for that.

Be careful if you move into Clen or thyroid of any kind as the combo with real, genuine ephedrine can be lethal (or at least feel like it!) if you get it totally wrong.

Better living through chemistry...

hey all,
been a good amount of time since i been on here...  wanted to make note of the lack of progress over the past couple years.

Couple years ago when this thread was started was when I started taking an ECA stack. Mixed and changed doseing to help lose fat but it never worked for me in 1 year of testing.   After that I also stopped hitting the weights because of work (16hours a day).

Finally have plenty of time to start the training again and have been looking into new Fat buring stacks and many people have pointed me to: NO Shotgun V.3

Here is a copy and paste of the label
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Nutrition Facts

Serving Size 1 scoop
Servings Per Container 28 Amount Per Serving   % Daily Value Calories 81 Total Fat 0 g 0% Sodium 65 mg 3% Total Carbohydrate 0 g 0% Protein 20 g 40% Folate (as Folic Acid) 100% Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCl) 250% Protein Hydrolysate Matrix Yielding 22% Glutamine Peptide, 21% BCAA Peptide, & 41% EAA's. 9,660 mg Proprietary Muscle Volumizing, NO2, Insulinotrophic Matrix 10,055 mg Redline Energy & Meltdown Fat Burning Technology 377 mg *percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Ingredients: Other Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Malic Acid, Sucralean Brand Sucralose (a Non Nutritive Sweetner), Citric Acid Anhydrous, Monosodium Phosphate Anhydrous, Trisodium Phosphate Dodecahydrate, Glycine (Food Grade). Protein Hydrolysate Matrix Yielding 22% Glutamine Peptide, 21% BCAA Peptide, & 41% EAA's (9,660 mg): (Casein Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Isolate), Proprietary Branched Chain Ethyl Ester Amino Acid Matrix [L-Leucine. L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Arginine, L-Valine Ethyl Ester, L-2-Aminopentanoic Acid (L-nor-Valine), L-Alanyl Glutamine, L-Arginine Ethyl Ester di-HCI, L-Isloeucine Ethyl Ester HCI, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCI], Proprietary Muscle Volumizing, NO2, Insulinotrophic Matrix (10,055 mg): [Creatine Gluconate, Di-L-Arginine Malate, CEX (Creatine Ethyl Ester HCI), Citrulline Malate, Creatine Taurinate, Gamma-Butyrobetaine Ethyl Ester, Creatine Monohydrate, MTB Pump (Magnesium Tanshinoate B), COP (Creatinol-O-Phosphate), Bis Picolinato Oxo Vanadium (BPOV), Di-Na Creatine Phosphate Tetrahydrate, Gamma-Butyrobetaine], Power, Speed, Strength and Endurance Matrix: [Beta-Alanine/Beta-Alanine Ethyl Ester HCI, KIC (Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium), Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA), Phosphates, L-Histidine, Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCI) 250%, Creatine Magnesium Chelate], Redline Energy & Meltdown Fat Burning Technology [L-Tyrosine, Hordenine HCI, Caffeine Anhydrous, Folate (as Folic Acid) 100%, Beta-Phenylethylamine HCI, R-Beta-Methylphenylethylamine].
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Directions

Recommended use: Do not use N.O. Shotgun v.3 with Redline or Meltdown or any other products containing caffeine or other stimulants. Mix one scoop of N.O. Shotgun v.3 with 8 to 10 ounces of water or your favorite beverage. Drink N.O. Shotgun v.3 prior to any type of athletic event or resistance training. For enhanced results consume N.O. Synthesize during and after training. Unlike other N.O. (Nitric Oxide) Supplements which may require several scoops, N.O. Shotgun v.3 is extremely powerful and requires only one scoop. The N.O. Shotgun v.3 and N.O. Synthesize supplement strategy represents the most advanced and latest research on muscle growth and athletic performance. Store in a cool, dry place. Protect from heat light and moisture. Store at 15 - 30 degrees C (59 - 86 degrees F). Drink an additional one hall (1/2) ounce of water for each pound of body weight.
 
as you can see it has protien and creatine and "therogenics" for fat buring but it dosent give amount of specifics.

Has anyone used this?  And what were the results?


Thanks all

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Sounds more like a pre-peri workout drink with some stimulants like a lot of NO Xplode type things. Not bad but I wouldn't think of it as a fat burner all out. If you want to avoid Ephedrine I got great results with things like Hot-Rox Extreme (thyroid boost) and Shred Matrix (thermogenic and diuretic)...

Better living through chemistry...

i'm not saying i have a problem with Ephedrine, but it basically never did anything for me.

Remember, i'm in the USA so I before the Ephedrine ban in 2004, almost all "fat burners" had Ephedrine already in them, and they DID work great for me.  Since the ban i've had to seperate and use Ephedrine HCL 25mg, regular 200mg Caff. and regular 100mg asprine (along with green tea extract and Synphrene here and there to try and help with the loss) but none of it ever worked as well as the original mix of pills before the ban.

What are your thoughts?

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Great thread!!
Just after some advice, has anyone tried Extreme Thermoburn? just ordered some and looking for some user reviews.

I am currently taking an ECA stack of 30mg UNEXO Ephedrine, 200mg caffiene and 100mg asprin x3 per day. I was getting a mild buz but this seems to have gone, hense why i have ordered the thermo.

I train 5 nyts a week weights 3 of which are follwed by a cardio workout generally spinning or x-trainer. Strugglin a little with the cardio tho as i'm only 5 months into recovery from a akilies tendon rupture. which is where the extra weight has stemed from.

Has anyone tried these 2 products? or recommend something better?

Thanks for the info in advance.
Matt

Here's my ECA stack page:

ECA Stack

Kevin
StrongandFit.net

Hi there.  This is such a great thread with so much info but my addled and overworked brain needs some clarification and advice if that's OK.
Needed to lose quite a bit of weight gained after lay-up post sporting accident. 
Started diet + ECA stack last week June 2009.  To date have lost 16kg with around 14kg to go.
Started off taking 3 doses a day (at 0630, 1100 and 1430) of  16mg Eph HCl from Century Supplements + 75mg Aspirin + 200mg caffeine (4 Pro-plus tabs).  After a couple of weeks felt I was getting a bit tolerant so upped the Eph to 24mg and kept the rest the same.  Have noticed weight loss has slowed right down to zero for last week or so.  Nutritional input ranges from 700 to 1000cals per day (with nothing after 1800) and exercise is light (have to take the dogs on long walks!).  I'm female and 5ft 8".
Anyone got any ideas how I can give myself a kickstart?  Is my ratio OK?  Should I add another dose in, change the ratio or what!?? Would appreciate any help you can give.
Cheers.
Jo

Welcome.

You are not eating enough. That's why fat loss has stopped. You are starving yourself and your metabolic rate is shot. The body is designed to keep you alive. When calories are severely restricted your body goes into starvation mode and will hold onto fat stores at all cost. It would rather cannabilise muscle tissue for it's energy requirements in such a situation. Muscle is metabolically active which means it requires (burns) calories to survive. Less muscle mass = less calories burned = vicious circle.

You must eat after 6pm. I've no idea where the notion came from but it's nuts. Again, starvation mode. The trick is to keep metabolism kicking over by proving to your body that food is always coming. This means smaller portions, more frequently.

Visit the diet section for more help.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

There was the herb i took from Africa. Its makes ephedrine look like a sleeping pill. I was hyper for over 20hours non-stop. I ran, lifted and did some more. Too much energy is a bad thing!

I prefer to be in control, no more supplements for me

 Half the herbs out of africa are pharma, Thinz (we in the UK called it Obetrol) was the most popular which was sold as 'herbal', but only if amphet is herbal in your world.

There are also things like Khat pills too, which are herbal, lots of nasty stuff in africa, be careful of what your taking :)

Just thought id add my experience:
I have just finished my 1st 4 week 'course' or ECA, did wonders for me!

Lost almost a stone and cut up pretty good!
Go to the gym 4-5 times a week and train/play rugby 3 times a week.
Made a huge difference to my rugby, while playing i felt tired but never felt like stopping, like i could keep going!

Did make me jittery at times, but got kind of used to it!
Took:
30mg eph, 1 pro-plus, 300mg aspirin
4 times a day!

Just need to find a new source now, as i have changed gym.......................

Yeah, just to add. If you go at it properly and do a full course then the sides like 'jitteryness' go after a few days.

! stone is a great result for 1 month btw!

Hi,

I've been running a cycle for 2 weeks now, here is my dosage:

2x 8g Ephedrine Tabs
4x Pro Plus Tabs

I take this half hour before my workouts which I do at 11am, but now I feel I can up the dosage..

Would you recommend I take another 1x 8g ephedrine tab around 4pm ?

FatPete buy Caffeine tablets from MyProtein or BulkPowders, you can get 200 x 200mg Tablets for about the price of 20 proplus :)

Is it safe to cycle ECA with creatine as they both have effects on the liver?

Hi Im a newbie to this site so I apologize in advance for this post as you will probs not have a clue what im going on about.
I am 18years old, 5ft 7(170ish cm), 11st 2(71kg). Small I know. With a body fat % of 12.8. I have been playing sport at a high level full time for the last two years and have now stopped completely other than weight training 5/6 times a week.

Today was the first time I took ECA30+(Just the one) and was wondering if this was beneficial and healthy? I want to use them for more of an energy booster before sessions rather than stripping fat off me...is this ideal? My aim is to gain muscle mass and strength.

I am completely new to all the enhancing supplements and need some advice, and best options.

I have also been taking a Xtreme Bulk Protein drink which at first was really helping me put some muscle mass on but now I feel like I have hit a brick wall?!?!?!
The reason I went searching for an energy booster.

Oh btw I have never felt energy like that before in the gym, I felt like I could work constantly without a break.

Sorry for the long-winded post but thought it would be best if you knew my situation in detail!

Thanks for reading and will be looking forward to replies!

NeO 

Welcome.

No, it's not a good idea to use ephedrine as an 'energy booster'. Doing so promotes the mindset that eph will always be necessary to accomplish a decent workout.

Not only that, but usage may also interfere with appetite levels which is not ideal when looking to add mass.

Your brick wall is most likely one of two things:

1 - Your diet is suboptimal and lacking in areas, most probably in sufficient calories to grow.

2 - Your training is stagnent. You need to try different training methods, splits, strip/drop sets, supersets etc etc. Whatever is necessary to shock your body into further progress.

Please seek further assistance for both criteria in the relevant forums for specific advice.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

Thanks for the reply Partyboy.

It is definetly my training routine.
Ive read in one top about the 5x5 routines and i am going to give that a go, how long should it be before I see a gain or if this routine is working for me?
And how long do you reccomend I should keep the same routine as I have done mine for far too long now!

Oh and what would be the outcome if you drank alcohol with ECA? (Just a query)

Cheers

Keep a routine whilever it is working. Give it  3 or 4 months to gauge progess. Increases in performance (reps) would be a good indication of progress.

You can have a drink while using ECA. I would avoid eph though if you were drinking to excess.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

im thinking to buy eph 30+ extreme to lose weight
i used to be 100kg pure muscle like a few years ago and i stopped working out completely. im now 143kg ive still got 80% of my muscle and im wanting to know if the ephedrine is gonna help me shed that 40k of fat, is this possible?

Hi I am 5 days into my first ECA cycle.
 
For the first 4 days I took one dose per day (to establish my levels of tolerance, sides etc) of: 

Ephedrine 24mgs (Kaisien HCL)
Caffeine 200mg
Aspirin 75mg
Today I have started taking the above stack twice a day but if honest have not noticed anything different at all over the 5 days. Whilst I appreciate from reading this thread i can take 3 doses per day of up to 3omgs eph I intend to build up gradually. The absence of any feeling is good from a personal perspective but does not seem to fit the info contained within the thread. Is this normal and if not what sort of 'symtoms' should I be feeling?
 
Any advice would be appreciated.

Hope this thread hasn't gone cold...

I need some advice please!!!

These are my stats;

I am female, 5'7, weigh roughly 190lbs

I have just ordered 150 8mg caps of pure eph and would like to do the ECA stack using normal aspirin and coffee / diet coke for the caffeine.

I will of course, be curbing my eating and training in the gym at the same time.

My question is; what dosages should I be taking? I want this for pure weight loss - if I could get down to 130lbs I would be ecstatic - but am entirely new to this sort of thing.

Please help, Party Boy!! 

New article now added:
Ephedrine & Ephedra, and the Associated Alkaloids and Compounds which includes information on ECA and herbal preparations.  It's a detailed article in 2 parts:

Part 1
Part 2

James Collier
MT Co-Owner & Nutrition Consultant

James

Great article!!

James,

Are you able to help me with my dosing?

Thanks!

Party Boy, 
Seems like you're the star of this topic! 


With that said, I've got some questions for you. 
Buying eph stateside is next to impossible, so I've come across a few sources, but the downside is, that I'll have to buy in bulk. I read that you only want to cycle 'eph' for a maximum of 12wks, which means, I'll have enough to last years. My source told me it's got a good shelf life, so that's a good thing!


Anyways, for the questions...


These are 30mg... Legit? 

Should I start my doses small, around 30mg or so, till I work up to around 75mg, for daily consumption?  

NSFatty


James,

Are you able to help me with my dosing?

Thanks!

Hi NSFatty - welcome

I would stick to the dose amounts here: http://articles.musclet...ephedrine-ephedra-2.aspx - and take them as suggested in the article

I've only used EPH and ECA stacks (the kind you get in pill form pre mixed), is it better just to buy ephedrine tablets or the kind I mentioned?

Anything can be achieved if you simply believe

Hi James

Thanks for all of the info included in this thread it has been a big help. I have one question regarding ephedrine and would you be able to let me know if there is lots of fakes around at the moment. I have recently sorted some from a new source and when I tried them they made me feel really ill. This is about the third time I have experienced a bad batch and it seems that recently it has got worse. Have you any ideas on how to check the quality etc. Any help would be a big help

thanks

The Saint


I've only used EPH and ECA stacks (the kind you get in pill form pre mixed), is it better just to buy ephedrine tablets or the kind I mentioned?

Personal preference.

vanny1


Hi James

Thanks for all of the info included in this thread it has been a big help. I have one question regarding ephedrine and would you be able to let me know if there is lots of fakes around at the moment. I have recently sorted some from a new source and when I tried them they made me feel really ill. This is about the third time I have experienced a bad batch and it seems that recently it has got worse. Have you any ideas on how to check the quality etc. Any help would be a big help

thanks

Hi vanny - welcome

I cannot comment on fakes for professional reasons.  You should always acquire ephedrine through a licenced medical practitioner.

Sorry I am unable to help more.  Maybe others can...?

there is a shocking amount of bad ephedrine on the market. Some seems to work slightly when first dosed, but after a few days it's apparent that there are other chemicals added. There is still decent Eph to be had but it's a bit of pot luck to find them. Even Pharma turkish Arsan which used to be very good 50mg hCL doesnt seem to be the same quality it used to be and I'm sure this was legit Arsan.