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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 19 July 2005 17:49
Was using chesteze but am now using pure eph, it seems a lot cleaner, sides are less, infact chesteze tends to make me really dehydrated whereas pure eph hardly effect hydration. However I reckon chesteze seems to last longer, ie 6hrs or so whereas eph 3-4 hours ???.

Got my tabs from astronutrition however they seem a little expensive and are low dosed.

what do you think of these 2 herbal eca products

http://www.fastresearch.co.uk/pcp/products.asp?partno=FB1
http://www.fastresearch.co.uk/pcp/products.asp?partno=ep1

and what about the company, anyone ordered from them

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 19 July 2005 19:27
They both look ok tbh, though I've never used the company.

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 20 July 2005 11:15
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 23 July 2005 19:35
Partyboy' Just to be sure mate, 1x do do chesteze, 4 proplus, 1-2 aspirin taken 3 time per day.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 24 July 2005 22:06
Yes, though dependant on personal tolerance. I'd up the chesteze to 1.5 tabs per dose tbh
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 25 July 2005 16:31
ive just bought some eph from a different supplier and i just wanted to make sure it is kosher they are small white tabs with a capital letter k on them and came in a bag of 1000 has anyone used these?
6 out of every 5 statistics are wrong!!!

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 25 July 2005 18:48
That sounds like the kaizen brand to me, although i have always stuck by Vasopro so couldnt be 100% sure...

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 28 July 2005 02:38
I noticed that my piss is alot darker since I started taking eca. Is that normal?


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 28 July 2005 13:24
That will be due to dehydration no doubt, as you'll need to drink more water when your on ECA.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 29 July 2005 01:58
Will do. Thanks bro


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 08 August 2005 22:43
i am a beginner, does this sound OK as a beginner stack

vasopro 25mg
caffiene 200mg
half an asprin

also i buy from a store that has the following products ephedra, ephedrine and a new one which i have never heard about called ephedrene.

what is ephedrene?


also i had asthma as i child, gone now is OK to take it also im overweight so will they help me, i have my diet and excersize down just looking for a wieght loss booster.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 08 August 2005 23:40


ORIGINAL: pike168

i am a beginner, does this sound OK as a beginner stack

vasopro 25mg
caffiene 200mg
half an asprin

perfect... take once a day, in a couple days take 2 if you can handle it... then after a week or so take 3 if you can. never take more then 3 doses divided equally thoughout the day.



also i buy from a store that has the following products ephedra, ephedrine and a new one which i have never heard about called ephedrene.

what is ephedrene?

The Vasopro is Ephedrine, and thats what you want.



also i had asthma as i child, gone now is OK to take it also im overweight so will they help me, i have my diet and excersize down just looking for a wieght loss booster.

this is perfect for you as long as, as you said, your training and diet are correct.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 06 September 2005 14:26
Hi guys, I've just got my Thermogenesis from Astronutrition but have a quick question.

The tub states that it contains 50mg WWB which I believe is standardized at 15% yielding only 7.5mg of Asp, so am I right in thinking I need to get some more? If so, where can you buy these baby aspirins from??

Thanks in advance!
TR.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 06 September 2005 15:08
You can buy regular aspirin very cheaply from the supermarket and use a pill cutter on them but tbh I wouldn't bother as its not really an integral part of the stack.

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 06 September 2005 16:41
OK cool - thanks PB!

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 06 September 2005 21:20
u said u can take eca and clen togetheir... do u mean at the same time or split them.is it possible to take them both at the same time

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 07 September 2005 12:16


ORIGINAL: axel

u said u can take eca and clen togetheir... do u mean at the same time or split them.is it possible to take them both at the same time



See:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_690000/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#690062

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 08 September 2005 21:55
Hey there,

was curious as my birdie is currently on an eca stack (reccommended doses).. probably should have asked this before she started but do these drugs (or any others like these) mess around with 'the pill' (for birth control, not sure of correct name).. dont want any babies unexpectedly poppin up!

any feedback is appreciated

Thanks

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 September 2005 05:21
I dont see how an ECA stack would effect any birth controls...
From the Warning labels:::::
Asprin dosent do anything as far as birth control...
Ephedrine dosent effect birthing at all...
Caffiene: Do not use if ALREADY Pregnant or Lactating... thats it... nothing about the control portion.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 September 2005 05:24
then again i'm not a Pharmacist
If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 16 September 2005 14:33


ORIGINAL: gr44

Hey there,

was curious as my birdie is currently on an eca stack (reccommended doses).. probably should have asked this before she started but do these drugs (or any others like these) mess around with 'the pill' (for birth control, not sure of correct name).. dont want any babies unexpectedly poppin up!

any feedback is appreciated

Thanks


Hi GR - just seen this post.

I have used ECA for a while now and never experienced any side effects or problems relating to the pill.
As far as I know it shouldn't have any effects on birth control whatsoever - you hope

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 19 September 2005 21:37

I have Dymetadrine 25+ (Fast Research). 100 tablets per bottle.

Dosage per tablet : Ephedrine HCL 20 mg, Caffeine 200 mg, Aspirin 250 mg and Bromelase 25 mg (extract from ananas I think). 3 times/day 1 tablet.

Is the aspirin dosage OK, or it's too much ???? I hear 75/80 mg for the aspirin, and Dymetadrine 25+ has 250 mg of aspirin.

For the moment, I use 2 weeks on/off (since 1 month), Steromax Super Stacker Extra (100 caps per bottle).

Per cap : 375 mg Ephedra extract (30 mg Ephedrine), 375 mg Kola Nut (200 mg caffeine), white willow bark 2.5 mg + chromium picolinate 50 mcg. 3 times/day 1 capsule.

Wich is the best between Steromax and Dymetadrine ???
And can I use ECA for a longer period of time (maybe 4 months) with cycling always 2 weeks on/off ???

Have also heard for Dxadrine RFA 11 from Fast Research (the same composition as the old Xenadrine RFA-1).
What do you think about it ?

Thanks.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 20 September 2005 05:53


ORIGINAL: fikret

I have Dymetadrine 25+ (Fast Research). 100 tablets per bottle.

Dosage per tablet : Ephedrine HCL 20 mg, Caffeine 200 mg, Aspirin 250 mg and Bromelase 25 mg (extract from ananas I think). 3 times/day 1 tablet.

Is the aspirin dosage OK, or it's too much ???? I hear 75/80 mg for the aspirin, and Dymetadrine 25+ has 250 mg of aspirin.

For the moment, I use 2 weeks on/off (since 1 month), Steromax Super Stacker Extra (100 caps per bottle).

Per cap : 375 mg Ephedra extract (30 mg Ephedrine), 375 mg Kola Nut (200 mg caffeine), white willow bark 2.5 mg + chromium picolinate 50 mcg. 3 times/day 1 capsule.

Wich is the best between Steromax and Dymetadrine ???
And can I use ECA for a longer period of time (maybe 4 months) with cycling always 2 weeks on/off ???

Have also heard for Dxadrine RFA 11 from Fast Research (the same composition as the old Xenadrine RFA-1).
What do you think about it ?

Thanks.


it all really depends on the prices... but if i had to choose between the one's you listed, i'd go with the Steromax... they are all basically the same, figure out which is the cheapest per Capsel (or "dosage") and go with that.
If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 20 September 2005 08:09
Thus they are all OK ? I'll go buy more Dymetadrine 25+, which is the cheapest.

Thanks.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 22 September 2005 06:10


ORIGINAL: fikret

Thus they are all OK ? I'll go buy more Dymetadrine 25+, which is the cheapest.

Thanks.

good call
if they sold that here in the States i'd buy them because i'd rather have everything all in 1 pill like it use to be back in the day before it was banned.
If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 23 September 2005 12:41
I love dth eoriginal Xenadrine RFA-1 with Mahuang, but since i have been using EPh hcl and caffeine i havent had any of the side effects i sued to get with the alkaloid variants in the over the counter fat burner supps, they used to make me agitated, wired and sleepless, but the pure eph hcl seems to treat me well, plus i sweat like a horse in a glue factory when i do cardio nowadays, much cheaper too.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 23 September 2005 16:49


ORIGINAL: vasquez

I love dth eoriginal Xenadrine RFA-1 with Mahuang, but since i have been using EPh hcl and caffeine i havent had any of the side effects i sued to get with the alkaloid variants in the over the counter fat burner supps, they used to make me agitated, wired and sleepless, but the pure eph hcl seems to treat me well, plus i sweat like a horse in a glue factory when i do cardio nowadays, much cheaper too.

i've had the same results you have... but for me the "make your own" most of use have been doing dosent work as nearly as well as the pre-blended with MuHang.
If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 29 September 2005 22:37
Hey guys im new here even if i did sign in with a diffrent name years ago i forgot to log in.....

what i am wondering is pseudoephedrine HCI 60mg d same as ephedrine????

I never hade any problems to get effs or eca in d "good old days" when i was in ireland but i am in bermuda now and i cant get anything overhere exept pseudoephedrine HCI 60mg.
im on with i add a good diet, 200mg caffein, 250mg aspirin, 180mg effs, 4times/day 2wks on, 2wks off with clen 2wks on 2wks off alternate. stacked with t3.

thanks...
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 03 October 2005 00:04

ORIGINAL: fikret


I have Dymetadrine 25+ (Fast Research). 100 tablets per bottle.

Dosage per tablet : Ephedrine HCL 20 mg, Caffeine 200 mg, Aspirin 250 mg and Bromelase 25 mg (extract from ananas I think). 3 times/day 1 tablet.

Is the aspirin dosage OK, or it's too much ???? I hear 75/80 mg for the aspirin, and Dymetadrine 25+ has 250 mg of aspirin.

For the moment, I use 2 weeks on/off (since 1 month), Steromax Super Stacker Extra (100 caps per bottle).

Per cap : 375 mg Ephedra extract (30 mg Ephedrine), 375 mg Kola Nut (200 mg caffeine), white willow bark 2.5 mg + chromium picolinate 50 mcg. 3 times/day 1 capsule.

Wich is the best between Steromax and Dymetadrine ???
And can I use ECA for a longer period of time (maybe 4 months) with cycling always 2 weeks on/off ???

Have also heard for Dxadrine RFA 11 from Fast Research (the same composition as the old Xenadrine RFA-1).
What do you think about it ?

Thanks.



Is this available in the UK??

Ref:Dymetadrine 25+ (Fast Research). 100 tablets per bottle.

Dosage per tablet : Ephedrine HCL 20 mg, Caffeine 200 mg, Aspirin 250 mg and Bromelase 25 mg (extract from ananas I think). 3 times/day 1 tablet.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 03 October 2005 11:13


ORIGINAL: Dchef

what i am wondering is pseudoephedrine HCI 60mg d same as ephedrine????



No it isn't. Info below courtesy of TheDoctor:

It is generally accepted that pseudoephedrine is much less potent than ephedrine overall.

To give a specific answer in terms of percentages, I would need to have had monitored hundreds of clients, half using ephedrine and half using pseudoephedrine, to get a realistic idea of the difference. Unfortunately many of the clients I see use ephedrine in their cycle regimes(infact I dont think I have had anyone using pseudoephedrine), so cant speak from personal experience.

Theoretically, eventhough ephedrine and pseudoephedrine have very slightly different mechanisms of action (adrenoceptor agonists and catecholamine-releasing actions), they are similar enough to suggest that pseudoephedrine should work as an effective thermogenic.

Thus the only real way now to answer the question is to turn to scientific studies but yet again unfortunately there is not the wealth of information on pseudoephedrine as there is on ephedrine.

quote:


Life Sci. 1985 Sep 16;37(11):1023-8.

Comparison of brown adipose tissue thermogenesis induced by congeners and isomers of phenylpropanolamine.


Wellman PJ, Marmon MM.

The present experiment compared the effects of intraperitoneal injection (.0223 mMol/kg) of several phenethylamine congeners and isomers including amphetamine (AMP), ephedrine (EPH), methoxyphenamine (MET), norpseudoephedrine (NOR), pseudoephedrine (PS) and phenylpropanolamine (PPA) on in vivo interscapular brown adipose tissue temperature in adult male rats. Comparisons of isomer potency revealed that the 1-isomer was more thermogenic than the d-isomer for EPH and PPA but not for AMP, NOR and PS. Congener potency order was: AMP greater than PPA greater than EPH greater than NOR = MET greater than PS. The implications of these data for the weight-reducing activity of these compounds is discussed.





This study (ignoring the limitations that it was carried out in rats and using injections) shows that pseudoephedrine was the least potent out of the lot in relation to thermogenesis and confirms my previous statement above regarding its potency.

Your question still remains how potent is "least potent" with respect to thermogenesis....


quote:


Obes Res. 1999 Jul;7(4):370-8. Related Articles, Links
Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trials with non-prescription medications for the treatment of obesity.


Greenway F, Herber D, Raum W, Herber D, Morales S.

Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, LA 70808-4124, USA. greenfl@mhs.pbrc.edu

OBJECTIVE: Phenylpropanolamine (PPA) and benzocaine are non-prescription medications approved for treating obesity. The dose of PPA for weight loss is 75 mg/day. PPA has the same chemical similarity to pseudoephedrine that amphetamine has to methamphetamine. Because benzocaine causes weight loss by altering taste and PPA by central appetite suppression, they may induce additional weight loss when combined. These studies explore the safety and efficacy of low-dose PPA, pseudoephedrine, and PPA with benzocaine in causing weight loss. RESEARCH METHODS AND PROCEDURES: Study 1 compared PPA 12.5 mg tid with 25 mg tid and placebo in a 6-week trial in 108 obese subjects. Study 2 compared pseudoephedrine 120 mg/day and a placebo in a 12-week trial with 72 obese subjects. Study 3 compared 4 groups of 20 obese subjects using PPA 75 mg/day, benzocaine gum 96 mg/day, PPA with benzocaine gum, and a placebo over 12 weeks. RESULTS: Both doses of PPA gave twice the weight loss of placebo, but the difference did not reach statistical significance. Pseudoephedrine was no different than placebo in inducing weight loss. The PPA with benzocaine group had more adverse events than the benzocaine group (p = 0.03), the placebo group (p = 0.03), or the PPA group (p = 0.09) without additional weight loss. DISCUSSION: We conclude that further studies with low-dose PPA for weight loss are indicated, that pseudoephedrine is not effective for weight loss, and that adding benzocaine to phenylpropanolamine increases adverse effects without increasing weight loss.




So from the above study we can say that at that dose of 120mg pseudoephedrine (which is 4 to 6 times greater than the ephedrine doses used) there is insignificant thermogenisis.

Maybe at even higher doses still of pseudoephedrine and combined with caffeine and aspirin it may have some noticeable effect on thermogenesis but from the evidence so far it I think you would have to agree that pseudoeph has barely a thermogenic effect.

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 05 October 2005 17:03
Hi PartyBoy Firstly just wanna say your dedication to giving information to others is amazing.

I started the stack 4 days ago E(Unknown 2 Tablets) C(200mg) A(150mg) not much in the way of side affects apart from the hand shaking.

1.) I would like to know if you could tell me how much ephidrine is in the tablet it looks identical to pro plus but has no writing and is half the size

2.) I am taking with a small bowl of a fibre breakfast a salad with a small amount of meat for lunch and a low fat low carb microwave meal for tea i also put alot of tuna egg whites fish and chicken in my diet for the protein. I go to the gym 3 times i week where i do 2 and a half hours weights and cardio am i eating enough? and if im not does it hurt not eating enough? tried 5 meals a day but cant stomach it when the Eph kicks in.

3.) Talked to my Dr and he said the stack is pointless because when your finished the weight all comes back on is this true or was he just trying to scare me?

4.) is losing 5 stone in 6 months realistic? thats about 3 pounds a week or would i need to up the cardio?

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 05 October 2005 17:26
Thanks Partyboy...

So i guees d fat loss is from d hard work and diet I have ordered ephedrine so i will se if it will make a diffrence..

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 05 October 2005 17:30

ORIGINAL: Bugz

Hi PartyBoy Firstly just wanna say your dedication to giving information to others is amazing.

I started the stack 4 days ago E(Unknown 2 Tablets) C(200mg) A(150mg) not much in the way of side affects apart from the hand shaking.

1.) I would like to know if you could tell me how much ephidrine is in the tablet it looks identical to pro plus but has no writing and is half the size


Thanks bugz, and a warm welcome to MT

Eph comes in many different forms and really is quite difficult to ascertain what you actually have. Normally, ephs would come in at between 20 - 30mg, assuming that you have a legitimate product.



2.) I am taking with a small bowl of a fibre breakfast a salad with a small amount of meat for lunch and a low fat low carb microwave meal for tea i also put alot of tuna egg whites fish and chicken in my diet for the protein. I go to the gym 3 times i week where i do 2 and a half hours weights and cardio am i eating enough?


I would susupect not from the information you have given. Your diet by the sounds of things needs a complete overhaul. I would have a look around the diet forum and seek advice to enable you to nail yours.


and if im not does it hurt not eating enough?


Yes, catabolism will not be far away and metabolic rate is likely to be compromised.



tried 5 meals a day but cant stomach it when the Eph kicks in.


I can appreciate this. Eph seriously suppresses appetite for me also. Its a superb feature of the drug tbh, though sometimes works a little too well, especially the first 2 or 3 weeks of administration. You must ensure that you still feed your body regularly, even if that means one or to of your meals are merely protein shakes.



3.) Talked to my Dr and he said the stack is pointless because when your finished the weight all comes back on is this true or was he just trying to scare me?


Pretty much all of the drugs we use are typically frowned upon within the medical profession as a whole. As for the fact that the weight will be regained, well this would only be true if you were generally taking in (eating) more calories than you expend (through daily metabolic functions and activity). This equation holds true whether you use ephedrine or not. By using ephedrine you are merely tipping the odds in your favour by:

a) Slightly increasing caloric expenditure through thermogenisis and;
b) Controlling appetite thus helping avoid eating habits likely to lead to fat accumulation.



4.) is losing 5 stone in 6 months realistic? thats about 3 pounds a week or would i need to up the cardio?


3 pounds a week seems reasonable for someone who has plenty of fat to lose. You may find that your fat loss pw gradually lessens as you reach your target. Only you can gauge how much activity you need to help along your fat loss. I would say though generally you're looking at 3 or 4 cardio sessions of 30-45mins per week. If you must do your cardio at the same time as your weights, ALWAYS do your weights first.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 05 October 2005 17:46
ty partyboy i am 21 stone and before this diet i ate 1 meal a day (very large just before bed ) :/ and know the without eph i wouldnt be able to control my appetite. I hope it works out and i will check the dieting section

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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 October 2005 11:08
Have buyed another bottle of Dymetadrine 25+.
This time, on the product label, it says : 20 mg Ephedrine HCL, 20 mg caffeine, and 250 mg aspirin.
Instead of 200 mg caffeine.
Have contacted the seller, and he says what's on the product label is true.
It's not a typing error.

Thus I must add a caffeine tablet (Prolab 200 mg) to have the right dosage ???

It will does, with Prolab tablet : 20 mg Ephedrine HCL, 220 mg caffeine, 250 mg aspirin.
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 October 2005 11:25
All the information on the net suggests that product has 200mg caffeine.

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 October 2005 12:00

You're right. The informations on the internet says 200 mg caffeine.
It's why I was confused and sended a mail.


My question to the seller :

"I have ordered Dymetadrine 25+.

The product label of the Dymetadrine 25+ I received says it has 20 mg caffeine, instead of 200 mg.

But on your internet site, its says it has 200 mg caffeine
Wich is true ? Is it real 200 mg caffeine or 20 mg caffeine per tablet ? It's maybe a typing error on the product label I received.
I join a photo of the product label.

Thanks for answering.
Best regards,"


The answer :

"Hello,

What is on the product label is wright.
So 20 mg caffeine and not 200 mg.

We made an typing error on internet.
Thanks for asking, best regards."

I have taken a picture of the product label but I don' know how to insert the picture in the message.


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 09 October 2005 12:45
Hmm, very odd indeed. It it were me taking them and there was some confusion over the dosage, I'd opt for a halfway house by taking half a prolab tab with each serving. That way the result won't be as extreme as taking none or a full one.

 


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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 24 October 2005 20:56
Question for partyboy or anyone else who can answer. I have athma just wondering how Epedrine will effect it?
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RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) - 25 October 2005 10:03
Yes it will dilate bronchial vessels thus making it easier to breathe. You should notice a positive effect in this regard.

 


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