ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

Ive just started taking ephedrine hcl to assist with weight loss. Im currently taking 8mg 3 times a day. Is this dose sufficient?

Im currently on high protein diet (180g/day) and training 6 days a week (3 cardio and 3 weights). I'm 16 stone and high %bf - looking to strip down and build more muscle.

Im new to this so all help much appreciated.

Cheers, James

Welcome duzza

Not really a decent dosage tbh. Most users will take 25-30mg for between 1 and 3 dosages per day. Therefore, you could triple your current schedule and still be taking moderate dosages. I would increase gradually to assess tolerance.

Fat loss ultimately though is down to diet and exercise. It might be worth a look in the diet forum to ensure yours is adequate.

i got Do Do chesteze from boots yesterday and have been taking one with one proplus twice aday, just to see if my bodys good with it!! i got a coule of questions though

1/ what is theophylline?? its in the Do Do chesteze... will it lessing the effect of the eph? asnd is it harmful?

2 one dodo is like 18 mg.... every one on here seems to be on 25mg of eph... is it safe for me to take 2 or should i cut one in half and take 1 nd a half?

3/ when should i up the dose, of eph and caffeine... if i take 4 pro plus that will be like 230mg of caffeine including the 30mg in dodo

4/ asprin... is it worth taking? or should i try it and see how it goes??

5/
2 dodo would be 36.62mg of eph
60mg of cafffff
3 pro plus would be 150mg of more caffff
and poss try the 75mg of asprin with that or is all that too much??

cheers guys

round where i come from, ECA's are called T-5, is this anything to do with t-3's?

can someone explain what t-3's are? i know their something to do with thyroids or somthing?

ORIGINAL: bjg7

i got Do Do chesteze from boots yesterday and have been taking one with one proplus twice aday, just to see if my bodys good with it!! i got a coule of questions though

1/ what is theophylline?? its in the Do Do chesteze... will it lessing the effect of the eph? asnd is it harmful?

2 one dodo is like 18 mg.... every one on here seems to be on 25mg of eph... is it safe for me to take 2 or should i cut one in half and take 1 nd a half?

3/ when should i up the dose, of eph and caffeine... if i take 4 pro plus that will be like 230mg of caffeine including the 30mg in dodo

4/ asprin... is it worth taking? or should i try it and see how it goes??

5/
2 dodo would be 36.62mg of eph
60mg of cafffff
3 pro plus would be 150mg of more caffff
and poss try the 75mg of asprin with that or is all that too much??

cheers guys

1 - can't help there
2 - 2x dodo will be fine, I've taken 90mg eph before. Wouldn't recommend more than about 50 for a newbie when training as you'd be very wired
3 - experiment with dosages. Up dose when you stop feeling effects and stop getting the 'wired' feeling, If you take for a while you'll see what I mean
3a - 230mg caffiene is fine too mate - most caffiene tabs are in 200mgs and when on ECA I usually take 2.
4 - asprin, yes, take some, as it slows the effects down meaning you feel less wired, but more active for a while

A typical ECA dose for a newbie is 30/300/150 - you're proposing 25/230/75 which is nearly right - I suggest a little more asprin

Try it at the dose above, then vary E/C/A independently for different days/workouts and see how they effect you

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round where i come from, ECA's are called T-5, is this anything to do with t-3's?

No T3 is completely different. (beware though - some supplemet manufactures name their legal products 'T3').

'Real' T3 is one of your body's thyroid hormones. See:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/8_%26_6_Week_T3_Dosages/m_158640/tm.htm

Hi, I want to lose some serious weight before christmas - this gives me only just over a couple of weeks, but I'm training twice a day and have upped the proportion of cardio to weights in my workouts.
I want to use a fat-burner to help, and it sounds like ECA is the most effective (in the UK), but I don't like the sound of the wired sides (I'm already prone to anxiety & depression, I don't want any more!!).
I was considering getting a ready-made fatburner product like Maximuscle's Thermobol instead - how do these compare with ECA?
Or could I change the proportions of ingredients in ECA to cut down on the sides?

thanks

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees

Welcome.

ORIGINAL: Unbroken

Hi, I want to lose some serious weight before christmas - this gives me only just over a couple of weeks,

This won't happen without sacrificing much muscle mass. It is the wrong way to view fatloss bro. Fat didn't accumulate so quickly so it stands to reason that it won't be lost this fast - at least without implications.

That aside, there are many types of "fatburner" - if you wanted specifically to avoid eph, there are alternatives - perhaps have a look around the supplements forum for ideas. Personally, I wouldn't bother with anything other than eph.

would running eph, caffeine, clen and var be ok for a cutting stack?

THE WARRIOR MAN

Currently on 10 week cut

ive seen many posts saying not to mix clen with eca so dont do it not a wise idea bro

if cycling then 2 weeks eca then 2 weeks clen will be alright

for more info see the 1st post in this thread on eca
and for clen just check out the forum for other perfomance enhancing drugs

Blue_Lagoon3000

Ive been entered a few times by delivery men, i didn't hold it against them.

i was just about to order some Ephedrine when i foud a product called ECA-X has any 1 used it

Information per capsule
Ephedrine 25mg
Caffeine 250mg
Aspirin 80mg

Recommended usage: Take 1 capsule twice daily with meals. Do not exceed 3 capsules in any 24 hour period

i thought it was illegal to sell it from the uk also the dosage to take seems low , any info on it would be a great help

Hello
Im a newbie and have a few questions, im a girl & have a very calorie controled diet

I have started to take Ephidrine and have bn taking about 4 a day, every other day.. but i havent been taking any source of caffine

I havent got time to order any pure caffine pills so i was thinking of taking Pro Plus.

Just wonderin wt dosage to be taking?

Also is it ok to take Ephdrine evey day..maybe 3 a day with Pro plus? as it supresses my Appetite, if so how many pro plus should i take?

Thanks in advance

Ps. This board is great for advice!

ORIGINAL: neil_neil

i was just about to order some Ephedrine when i foud a product called ECA-X has any 1 used it

Information per capsule
Ephedrine 25mg
Caffeine 250mg
Aspirin 80mg

Recommended usage: Take 1 capsule twice daily with meals. Do not exceed 3 capsules in any 24 hour period

i thought it was illegal to sell it from the uk also the dosage to take seems low , any info on it would be a great help

Its not illegal and the dosage is very respectable. I would take 1hr before meals, not with.

ORIGINAL: Elle

Hello
Im a newbie and have a few questions, im a girl & have a very calorie controled diet

I have started to take Ephidrine and have bn taking about 4 a day, every other day.. but i havent been taking any source of caffine

What mg are your pills. 4*8mg is very different from 4*30mg!

I would limit to 3*25mg pills per day so 75mg give or take.

i was thinking of taking Pro Plus.

Just wonderin wt dosage to be taking?

Pro-Plus I believe are 50mg per tab so you'll be taking 4 tabs per dosage of eph. It's an expensive way of getting caffeine!

Also is it ok to take Ephdrine evey day.

Generally ok for those without pre-exing cardiac/hypertensive issues. I would say 3months continuous is the max without a good break.

PB,

what do you think of hydroxytrim http://www.musclefinesse.com/sports-nutrition-international-hydroxytrim.asp

Are the dosages respectable for using this as an ECA stack?

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Its a decent stack bro. I'm currently using a herbal stack with 18mg eph equivalent and they are very potent.

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

Its a decent stack bro. I'm currently using a herbal stack with 18mg eph equivalent and they are very potent.

what stack are you using PB?

Moderator: ESNPRO.CO.UK

Its a discontinued one from 'Ministry Of Fitness'. I got a good supply when they were up and running

i just bought some eph from the hardcore supplement section.. i have just recieved the package today and the writing on the bottle is in french and also says it is for eelief of cold and hayfever systems... is this ok to use???

eph has been/still is used in some over the counter meds in the past for chesty coughs etc..... its sold in the usa over the counter as an aid for astmha.

i have had no experience with the stuff you have brought tho, other members have probably used it, post a new post about this.

we are all different and the same.

thanks snoopy

Ok, just working a few things out. ThermaLean seems a lot cheaper, 100 capsules for £26.99, compared to £17.98 for 100 Ephedrine HCL (but would need to take 3 tabs).

So total dose cost of ThermaLean is 27p compared to 54p for the Ephedrine HCL. But is ThermaLean just as good? If ThermaLean is rubbish then its just a waste of £26.99.

Thanks again

I've used various herbal equivalents of synthetic eph bro (infact I'm using them now) and find them just as effective tbh.

i however find that herbal eph makes it harder to pee whilst pharma eph is yummy and side free apart from jitters of course.

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This post is huge i have read most of it but now im Head ***ked lol

So whats the best way to go about ECA Then go to boots get chest ez and pro-plus and asprine will i get asked questions if i get all three in the same place (most probley )

Kris

Thanks for reading through mate; many would just bang the questions out without bothering to read for themelves.

A much cheaper option belblade than boots would be:

Get some eph HCL from Astro Nutrition (Hardcore Supps) - an MT site sponser (MuscleTalk members: enter coupon code "muscletalk010" when checking out to save an additional 10%). You'll find a link on the MT home page just below the 'Other Performance Enhancing Drugs' forum link.

Obtain your Caffeine in handy 200mg tabs from www.monstersupplements.com (search the 'Prolab' items). They're only about £7 for 100 * 200mg pills.

Obtain aspirin from any supermarket - their 'own brand' version will be far cheaper than recognised brand names for the same thing.

Thanks for that PB

I will give this a try
Many thanks

Kris

PB have you came accross this before:

EPH25+ (ECA with Naringin stack 30/120/30/80) 60 capsule

How do they compare to other products out there?

Are the ratios good?

What the hells Naringin in there for?

Cheers

Surfer

ORIGINAL: Surferph34

PB have you came accross this before:

EPH25+ (ECA with Naringin stack 30/120/30/80) 60 capsule


What the hells Naringin in there for?

Naringin
-Enhance muscle recovery
Support capillary and blood vessel integrity, which may support the body's ability to recover from sports injuries
Increase available energy
As a potent bioflavonoid, help increase good cholesterol levels
Suppress appetite
Reduce hunger while potentially enhancing the flavor of foods by stimulating the taste buds
Increase nutrient potency
Extend the life of supplemented nutrients and increase their potency

Usage
Amount: A typical amount of naringin supported by research is 500 mg 2 times a day; however, when combined in a formula with other supplements, it's quite common to use 50 to 100 mg per serving.

Absorption of naringin from grapefruit juice varies from 5% to 57%, depending on the individual, so supplementation is a better way to get a standardized, reliable dose.

Timing: In general, naringin should be consumed with meals or supplement formulas because whole foods or other nutrients support maximum benefits of bioflavonoids.

Interested in saving some cash by increasing the potency and lifespan of your supplements? Look no further. Naringin does just that and more.

Known drug interactions:
A recent discovery is that naringin changes the dose of many drugs by affecting their metabolism. A number of drugs that are known to be affected by naringin include calcium channel blockers, anti-fungal agents, antibiotics, estrogen, sedatives, medications for high blood pressure, allergies, AIDS, and cholesterol-lowering drugs. For example, the body's use of the drug cyclosprorine increases 62% when taken with grapefruit juice. Of course, this can be good news if you know what you're doing because this would make drug use cheaper and more effective—lower dosages being needed for the same effects. But before you use naringin with drugs, be sure to consult with your health professional

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Good stuff thanks!

Surfer

Hey everybody, ready to try the ECA stack tomorrow morning for th first time. This stuff has probably been answered but ya know, it's a long thread to read over.

I have 8 mg capsules of Ephedrine HCL, 325 mg capsules of aspirin and lots of coffee (tomorrow morning I'm gonna try to find some caffeine pills). Using this information, what would be the best dosage of each? I'm gonna start by taking it once a day and up it in a week or so. Also, since it raises metabolism, is it best to workot or do cardio after taking it, so that you burn more calories? Also, how long does the metbolism boost last? Thanks for the help

Drop the aspirin, start off with 24mg of eph and 200mg caffeine, see how you find it, if you're ok, up it to 32/40mg per dose, take it twice a day, though as you say for the first week you should be fine on once a day.

No need to go above 32mg per dose

Well that's good, I'll blow through my supply too fast if I do more than 24 anyway. Is it smart to cut out the aspirin? I heard it was a safety measure, because it made the load on the heart a little easier to handle. Partyboy, can you give me your opinion on this? Thanks a lot

What do you mean no need to go above? I don't get any stimulant effects unless I take 40mg+.

Asp is thought to potentiate the effect of eph akin to the effect of caffeine on eph. Evidence is not particularly clear cut though, so if you experience issues using asp, just run with the eph + caffeine.

silynarbie, just because you are not wired from the dosage doesn't mean it isn't exerting an effect. You may be quite tolerant to the side effects, which many would consider a bonus.

been hearing alot about this stack here in the US...

Ephedrine HCL: 25mg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mp/vaso.html

Caffeine: 200mg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/caf.html

Synephrine HCL: 20mg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cns/syn.html

Green Tea Extract: 400mg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/gtea.htm

wonder if it's to powerfull of a stack...
thoughts?

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Green tea does provide a beneficial effect but is minimal imho and not worth the effort.

No need for synephrine if using ephedrine. tbh, its like using CEE and creatine mono at the same time.

Hi guys

Just need some advice. I am 6ft/85Kg, 22 tears old. Just started regular wokout at the gym, burning 600 calories a day, 4 times a week, for over 5 weeks. I have i think alot of fat on body; around belly and now starting on chest. Have been reading alot of the ECA cycles but unsure whether i should start. I am very use to high caffine intakes and so no worried about that, and will prefer no to take asprin.

Please could some advise me, if it will be fine starting up the cycle and at what dose: i know the side affects as mentioned

Thanks alot for in advance

ECA isn't a miracle fat loss. If you've just started at the gym, you will probably have been given a programme to get you use to exercise and to up your fitness levels. Give this a chance, it will start you losing weight. Get yourself into the Diet forum, for fat loss is more about diet and training than anything you can buy and take. Once you feel you can handle a harder training routine there are plenty in the beginner forum.

ECA will only be of use if your diet and training are solid and then it just gives you a little bit of help, people tend to take it when their fat loss slows down.

From a health point of view, do read the article and view the side affects seriously

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