8 & 6 Week T3 Dosages

Before we start, the necessity of a taper down is increasingly being brought into question. So is it really necessary? Well you can make your own mind up and dose accordingly, but this may be of interest:

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T3

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs
And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:
The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.
Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs
Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)
Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.


6 Week T3

So if you look at part 1 of my suggestion (before taper)

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-11: 100 - 125mcgs (reduction of 7 days i.e. 1 week)

Then part 2

Days 11-13 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 14-16 : 100mcgs
Days 17-19: 75mcgs
Days 20-22: 50mcgs

(reduction of 3 days from original)

Then part 3

Days 23-28 : 37.5mcgs
Days 29-33 : 25 mcgs
Days 34-42 : 12.5 mcgs

TOTAL 6 weeks

Wrongun!

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do you think you could prevent catabolism on T3 on 50mg Winny ED?

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do you think you could prevent catabolism on T3 on 50mg Winny ED?

Yes

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I started 6 week winny course last Saturday and will pick up some T3 tomorrow. Is it ok if I run the last 7 days at 12.5mcgs after the 6th week of winny (ie into PCT) or should I run the winny (oral for another week)?

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Sticky this one Top post Wrongun

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nice post mate, sticky

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I started 6 week winny course last Saturday and will pick up some T3 tomorrow. Is it ok if I run the last 7 days at 12.5mcgs after the 6th week of winny (ie into PCT) or should I run the winny (oral for another week)?

Yes run into PCT you are at a low dosage allowing TSH to readjust.

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nice one mate thanks for the advice

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Good post wrongun. I've had great results from the 8 week taper in the past.

how effective is t3 ? and are there any side effects

T3 is very effective, though is catabolic, hence the need for anabolic support. I would rate it above Clenbuterol, though stops short of DNP (which can be deadly incidently!).

Care must be observed when using thyroid meds to avoid thyroid shock. The worst case scenario would leave you dependant on thyroid medication for life.

Other side effects may include excessive sweating, nervousness & tremors, rapid heart beat, fatigue.

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Hello Party Boy,

Some excellent advice on this page. I am just about to go on a cutting cycle. I am limited as to what I can get hold of (living in Malaysia). I have the following,

Win / Stanozolol Tabs 2MG Maufacturer Zambon
Clen .02 MG Manufacturer Dee-Pharma New Dheli
T3 L-Thyroxin 50mg Manufacturer Berlin-Chemie (doesn't mention T3 on the box etc)

My plan was to go 6 weeks with the Win and Clen and use the T3 (which is my first time) for three weeks in the middle tapering up/down from 50 to 100 mg.

Whats your thoughts ? .....

Hi colin

Winny & clen sounds good (though I don't envy you gobbling so many of those little pink zambons lol).

L-Thyroxine (or levothyroxine) is T4 bro. This is the "weaker" thyroid hormone and depends on conversion rates to T3. Dosages are normally 4* equivalent T3 dosages - so 100mcg T3 would be 400mcg T4. I would always opt for T3 over T4. Liothyronine is what you need for T3.

In the case of T3 is essential to taper slowly (especially back down), so 3 weeks isn't ideal and would leave little scope for time at peak dosage. Due to the longer half life of T4, the taper can be performed slightly more quickly, though is still required.

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Hey PartyBoy,

Appreciate the fast response. Pissed about the T3. In this case and given I was going to cut over six weeks would you have any recommendation on the cycle using the Winny / Clen and T4. I have plenty.

Thanks again : its appreciated.

Winny 50mg ed weeks 1-6
Clen taper weeks 1&2, 5&6 (taper as per clen 'sticky')
T4 I would run something like this:

Days 1&2: 200mcgs
Days 3&4: 300mcgs
Days 5-23: 400mcgs
Days 24&25: 300mcgs
Days 26&27: 200mcgs
Days 28-32 : 150mcgs
Days 33-36 : 100mcgs
Days 37-42 : 50 mcgs

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Again mate : Thanks ...

Is eight weeks the maximum you should stay on T3?

There are no hard and fast rules. 8 weeks seems a reasonable length of time to attain desired condition - unless of course you start using it too far out (which shouldn't be necessary).

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Thanks for that mate. I'm about to start a course of T3 and will have an extra 3 or 4 days worth. I'll simply add these into the middle of the course as per Wronguns sticky.
Cheers.

Sounds fine

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If I was to incorporate T3 into a test/tren/winni cycle and follow the recommended dosages to the tee, what would be the risk of doing perminant damage to Thyroid levels.

Is it neglegable or do i need to consider things more carefully?

does any one have some hard facts on about how much thyroid hormone will increase ur matabolism??

There is little in the way of 'hard facts' when it comes to results or dangers. This is due to the fact that these drugs were not intended for the purposes/dosages that we use them for. We therefore base knowledge more on user accounts.

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ok well do you have any personal testimonies on roughly how much?

I would estimate it to raise metabolic rate by around 12-15%.

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hey partyboy what makes T3 so catabolic? and will i not gain as much muscle if i do a cycle of test ena with it? so basically will the T3 slow down the results of muscle anobolism when taking test ena as opposed to taking the test with out it?

Considerable increases in metabolic rate, thermalgenisis and oxidative phosphorylation uncoupling are responsible for muscle catabolism. If sufficient calories are not consumed (and there won't be as we are cutting!) then catabolism will ensue.

As for taking gear, as you are talking about muscular gains, then I would have to conclude that you won't be "cutting". The idea of shedding bodyfat would give rise to the idea of calorie restriction and cardio - this will make mass gains very difficult.

T3 however is anabolic if used in a different manner. As we know, it increases metabolic rate. Therefore, if we used it to increase our metabolic rate (and thus protein utilization/turnover), without raising it to such an extent that the rate exceeds the calorie/protein intakes, we can increase the rate of anabolism. In this example, a dosage of 25-50mcg ed would be ideal.

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ok i know you wrote out a 8 and 6 week cycle for T3 at the beginning of this thread so how will it change if you take just like you explaine, meaning lowering the dosages??

It would be very similar, though obviously the upper limit wouldn't be anywhere near as high as 125mcg. I would still recommend the slow taper down when coming off.

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Hey PB im about to get a hold of some T3 and clen, im gunna use both of them at different times to see which one works better. i just want to know is it possible to get down to a very low BF like 6% without those drugs or will it just take longer? and i have had people take clen so i am aware of what it makes you feel like, but what is the T3 going to make me feel like?

Yes, it's certainly possible to attain good condition without T3 or clen - I've gone sub 8% quite a few times in the past with just ECA for company, though it can be a long, hard slog.

I find Clen sides much worse than T3. The most common sides for T3 (if they are experienced at all) would include sweating, nervousness & tremors, rapid heart beat, fatigue.

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is the tapering up and down of T3 the only way to make it work? and is there anything that i need to stay away from when im on it, i.e., certain drugs (not bad ones). also how important is it to stay with that tapering cycle like you mentioned at the beginning? sorry for all the questions i just want to do it right and not hurt my body. thanks PB!!!

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is the tapering up and down of T3 the only way to make it work?

What do you mean by work? T3 will exert an effect on your body whether you taper or not. Tapering is a safety measure.

and is there anything that i need to stay away from when im on it, i.e., certain drugs (not bad ones).

What specifically did you have in mind?

so how important is it to stay with that tapering cycle like you mentioned at the beginning?

Very. Though not quite as important as the slow taper down.

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for my first question i was talking about its effectivness. sorry mate!!

hey PB how will you know if you burned out your thyroid from the T3 supplement if just by chance something goes wrong?

You will experience hypothyoidism. Symptoms incluse:

Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain or increased difficulty losing weight
Coarse, dry hair
Dry, rough pale skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance (can't tolerate the cold like those around you)
Muscle cramps and frequent muscle aches
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido

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if you already know that max amount of T3 you can handle is there reason to taper up? thanks mate!!!

Yes, you don't want to 'shock' your thyroid.

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Great thread this has become regarding T3 excellent info from PB as usual

Wrongun!

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Is this course ok?

25mg for 5 days then
50mg for 5 days then
75mg for 5 days then
100mg for 10 days
then taper to
75mg for 5 days then
50mg for 5 days then
25mg for 5 days.....Stop

Was thinking of taking some ECA as well, what do you suggest?