Clenbuterol

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

Aye, so does tren but not like this LOL

pmsl

Good stuff IMO

 
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Seems to be - no jitters yet on day 3 and 60mcg...

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

Seems to be - no jitters yet on day 3 and 60mcg...

Let me know how you get on mate...

I'll be going down this route in about 4 - 6 weeks TBH...

 
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Day 4, 4 down me, no jitters and used to it. Not feeling hot. All good

Getting bad calf cramps - what should be taken to counter this? Woke a couple of times in the last couple of days like i'd been kicked in the legs

Just started this today myself, chinese clen in a really small bottle 40mcg each so had to half the first one.

Papa you can take pottasium to help with the cramps also bannana's are good.

not had any of the edgyness i get with eca yet but i suppose its early days.

Papa, have a couple of banana's a day and/or look to suppliment Taurine.

Mick, ECA has a much greater 'wiredness'/'edgyness' than that derived from Clen.

Thats good to know PB, dont really like the edgyness of ECA, at what dose do people generally start to feel hotter, I know its different for most but should I of felt any hotter after 20mcg

I felt really hot on day one but since then i've been ok - its simply just been boiling hot outside instead

Feel sorry for anyone running tren right now LOL

Oh, stuff like sugar free red bull has taurine in it - would that be enough to counter it do you reckon or is it supps all the way? Banana's are too much of a pain to keep fresh you see and to prevent folk nicking them too!

5 seems to be my limit. Which is nice as its cheaper than 7

Not terribly shakey but enough to think I wouldn't wanna be any more shakey than I am LOL

Feels like you are slightly hypo and need food which is weird when you've just eaten

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

Oh, stuff like sugar free red bull has taurine in it - would that be enough to counter it do you reckon or is it supps all the way? Banana's are too much of a pain to keep fresh you see and to prevent folk nicking them too!

Get mine from here mate:

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/amino-acids/taurine/

 
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Not as tasty as red bull tho is it (or Kick or some cheap equivelant!)

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

Not as tasty as red bull tho is it (or Kick or some cheap equivelant!)

It's not mate TBH...

Pop it in some water and neck it

Job Done

 
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im up to 80mcg today only just started to notice sides slight headache (could be unrealted tho as i stare at a monitor all day) but hands are jittery not much tho!

On third day of 20mcg and basically had a headache all the time; no jitters and not really feeling hot, just the head.

Is there anything I can do to reduce this side? Increase potassium/ taurine or start using ibuprofen until the body gets used to it and they subside, should subside once body is used to it?

Not too sore just quite arrgivating!

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its my second day so on 40mcg now, took it in split doses fealt really hot this morning and stayed about the same all day, hands had a slight shake this morning similar to what i get of ephedrine, also had a slight dull headache, nothing major though

Headaches are common. Don't increase dose until they subside a little. They will ease off gradually.

This is another reason why I will always opt for Eph over Clen

What do you find you get better results with PB the EPH or Clen

Eph mate.

Mainly due to appetite suppression and thus controllable calorie intake.

Not enjoying clen much tbh. Finding it very crampy and sore even with banana's. Gonna try some tabs of taurine and if that doesn't solve it drop it. More crampy and sore than winny with clen

Gutted as I just got 200 40mch tabs!

I really like clen, if you dont get the cramps too bad. Gives me good results and i dont feel the loss of size like i do with EPH.

If you keep the dose down to 120mcg it doesnt seem to hit you quite as bad, over 160 and my balls cramp lol

80mcg makes me crampy, 120mg gives me headaches. I've also got some 20mcg tabs so may try 100mcg with the other tabs I have. That said, if this taurine don't do **** i'm dropping them. Its harming my cardio right now!

The headaches should stop after a few days. I get them at 20mcg for the first two or three days, then they seem to go away. Do you split the doseage?

I did the other day split the dosage. Took 80mcg morning and and 40mcg and only got the headache after the 40mcg in the late aftenoon. Odd.

Strange that I find them more uncomfy than winny...

Hi Guys,

Been reading almost every page here for info on clen. Was talking to a bloke at the gym about this and he asked me it there is any point in him taking clen if he doesn't do cardio, and isn't on a strict diet.

He is 5ft 8, pretty lean already (six pack in view etc) but not ripped. He pretty much eats what he wants but as I say still manages to be lean (unlike me, 18% bF!!!)

The questions he has are A) can he still gain musclular weight whilst taking clen
B) does he have to take ECA on the "2-week" off cylce
C) the sides are pretty scary, he is 27 and healthy so how long a cycle would he be able to stay on to minimise the long term effects?
D) can he drink alcohol whilst taking this (and he says he's serious about cutting! lol)
E) it's meant to be toxic to the liver, what can he take to counter this effect.

cheers guys in advance, I'm curious after looking at different info on the net why people take clen, sounds like a decent diet and cardio works just fine. (I've lost 17lbs since feb just by monitoring what I eat and I've not lost an ouce of strengh so far)

thanks

Finding 80mcg is my max split in to 2 doses of 40mcg. Good because its cheaper than 120mcg LOL

ORIGINAL: stewedw

Was talking to a bloke at the gym about this and he asked me it there is any point in him taking clen if he doesn't do cardio, and isn't on a strict diet.

No. No reason at all.


a) Yes
b) No
c) Impossible to say. What I will say is given the possible risks with this drug, I wouldn't go near it unless I had a serious cutting fat goal, with diet and cardio nailed.
d) He's having a laff
e) Not particularly hepatotoxic

Agree with PB. I don't particurly like Clen with its headachey and crampy side effects tbh. With a crap diet and no proper goals he's wasting money and maybe making himself feel like **** for no reason.

PB - do you think in time my body will allow over 80mcg - don't get the shakes but just headachy all the time when I exceed 80mcg?

What's the legal status of Clen when buying online in the UK/Wales? I only ask because I even got my pure protien powder siezed recently and because the clen is for my sister who knows nothing about it.

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

PB - do you think in time my body will allow over 80mcg - don't get the shakes but just headachy all the time when I exceed 80mcg?

They should ease, but don't be surprised if they don't subside completely.

Clenbuterol is treated exactly the same as anabolic steroids. In the United Kingdom, anabolic steroids are Prescription Only drugs under the Medicines Act (1968). They can only be sold by a pharmacist on the presentation of a Doctor's prescription.

They are also class C schedule 4ii Misuse of Drugs Act. The Class determines how dangerous a drug is perceived to be, and penalties relating to the drug. The Schedule defines who may be in possession of or supply each drug.

In 1996 the Home Office made 48 anabolic steroids, any other anabolic steroid falling within a generic definition of such substances, esters and ethers of these, five polypeptide hormones (human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) and growth hormones (HGH)) and Clenbuterol class C schedule drugs (Misuse of Drugs (amendment) regulations 1996, Misuse of Drugs act 1971 (modification)order 1996). Importantly, while this made it an offence to supply these drugs or possess with intent to supply, it did not make it an offence to possess or use them personally.

It is not an offence at this time to possess anabolic steroids for personal use*, unless they are counterfeit. Therefore police tend to arrest for steroid possession only if they can prove the drugs are counterfeit (and therefore not prescribed by a doctor). A small number of arrests and convictions are made on this basis each year. In these cases, prosecution would be made under counterfeiting laws.

*Note: The law does not specify a figure or quantity for personal use and so the practical consequences of this legislation have yet to be seen.

SUPPLY

It is however an offence to supply anabolic steroids. The penalty for unlawful supply of class C drugs is a maximum of 14 years in prison and unlimited fine. If found out, technically you could be done for supply (to your sister), even if no cash changes hands.

IMPORTING

If a person obtains a drug from abroad then it falls under the importing regulations. The Medicines Control Agency has stated that up to 3 months supply* can be brought into the country as long as it is for individual use.

*Note: The law does not stipulate what amount of anabolic steroids constitutes "3 months supply" and thus this is open to interpretation by the authorities.

For medicines obtained abroad, the key issue is the legal status of the medicine in the country of purchase. If it is available OTC (Over The Counter) in that country then up to 3 months supply could be brought into the UK (as long as it is not also classified as a Controlled Drug within the UK) and the person could be in possession of, and use the product without breaking any regulations.

However although possession and use of a POM (Prescription Only Medication) for personal use does not constitute a criminal offence, supply of such products is an offence and could be easily done for. For example, somebody purchasing a medicine abroad (UK classified POM) and bringing it into the country for someone else would also be committing an offence.

These are the laws as understood at present but really have not been tested in court to see how they are implemented. Sentencing is highly variable and depends on a number of factors including quantities of drug involved, pleading guilty, previous offending history, and cooperation with the police.

So it looks like it's legal for my sister to purchase clen through the net for personal use of up to 3 months worth? She'd therefore be well within the law just to get a 2 week supply?

Yes, but in reality 2 weeks worth will do nothing tbh.

im half way through a dbol cycle got my pct to do afteerwards im nt tht ripped takin a cycle of clen would this help in a large way by makin me a little bit leaner and does it strip a vaxt amout of bf any cycle suggestions would be much appreciated thanks

what ever needs neccasary bigger is BETTER !!!

ORIGINAL: smove69

takin a cycle of clen would this help in a large way by makin me a little bit leaner

No, not at all.

and does it strip a vaxt amout of bf

No it doesn't.


Frankly, I suspect you're looking for magic beans. There are none, and if there were, Clen certainly wouldn't be it. Shedding bodyfat is down to diet and cardio. Clen is only a very minor aid to these parameters.

Being on a dbol cycle I'm assuming that you are eating plenty to facilitate new mass gain. There is no way you can expect fat losses when you are eating for mass - Clen or no Clen.

im lookin to get large and ripped im seeing good gains on my dbol but no deffinition would clen help strip tht little bit of extra fat

what ever needs neccasary bigger is BETTER !!!

You're not listening bro. Definition comes from diet and cardio - NOT DRUGS.

Read my above post again

i am i just heard great stuff bout this clen stuff tht it a fat stripper i was just unsure about it that all
i was just wonderin thn wat du ppl take clen 4

what ever needs neccasary bigger is BETTER !!!

Clen doesn't strip fat.
Clen is a beta 2 adrenergic receptor agonist. The effects of this that we are interested in as a result is that is increases calorie burn. It does this only slightly though, perhaps 5% over what you would burn anyway so you can see it is no miracle worker.

The following point should be very clear: You will not lose fat unless you are in calorie deficit ie. calories used are greater than calories ingested. This is achieved through diet (reduced calories) and cardio (increasing calories out).

You will not be calorie deficit by virtue of the fact that you are in a mass gaining state (or I would hope that you are if using steroids). Adding clen will not make you into a calorie deficit - and even if it did, what do you think would happen to your mass gaining efforts with you having insufficient calories to build muscle??