Clenbuterol

Welcome. I'll try to make my suggestions brief and to the point:

2.5 weeks is not enough time to effectively lose 5lb. You may lose 5lb of weight but it won't be fat, it will mostly be water and regained. You might lose around 2lb of fat in this timeframe. I could number crunch calorie figures to prove this, but I won't bore you silly.

So:

1 - Sort your diet in the diet forum. Smaller portions, more often. 5, maybe 6 "feedings" per day. No cheats.
2 - My preference is ECA (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin) over clen. Clen may be slighty better at increasing calorie expenditure, but ECA has many other more important advantages such as appetite suppression and increased vigour/energy. So forget clen and consider using ECA as detailed in the ECA main thread.
3 - Forget pansy weights. Ditch the bright coloured dumbells and start exerting some effort lifting weights which are challenging for you. Aim for a weight that you can only manage 8-12 reps - and the last 2 should be bl00dy hard! Increase your strength training frequency. Train with weights before cardio if they are done at the same time. Hard strength training burns more calories than steady state cardio. It also increases muscle mass (don't worry you won't get 'big' - it simply isn't going to happen!). Muscle mass requires calories to survive so again, more calories burned at rest. Strength training increases calorie expenditure rate for a far greater time after you have finished, than that from cardio.

does anyone have any thoughts of taking a higher dose than 140mcg. does an increased dose give better results?

i love clen, but i am a bit concerned about the long term effects, i heard it kills ur nervous systeme, and some time il fill like i dont talk as well as i used too, i make mistake or cant find the words i am looking for, any studies !???

Hi Partyboy Hope you can help me.

I have been reading the forums and you are really helpful and extremely knowledgeable about the vastly different drugs available for weight loss. I had serious car crash and due to the rest period after I have put on a lot of weight. I have started to eat healthy and exercise but would like to take something to help with the fat loss. I have been looking at clen and T3 as these seem to have the best results. I was wondering if you could give me some advice regarding how to take them? Thanks so much.

Welcome.

Hope that you are feeling much better after the crash and that you are fully recovered. Having rested up after the accident it's not surprising that you gained fat. People are not great at altering eating habits to match calorie expenditure differences. In my mid teens circumstances dictated that my daily calorie expenditure dropped drastically & permanantly. It took 8 years before it dawned on me that I must change my eating habits - calories in vs. calories out ratio. Basically, I was fat.

My advice at this stage would be to correct the calorie imbalance that may be still be at play. You mention that you have just started to sort your diet and exercise more, so chances are you probably are in a general calorie negative state, so why not let things run naturally and steadily. Fat loss rate should be modest at say 1-1.5lb per week. If you have lots of fat to lose then just by increasing activity levels and nailing diet, the fat should be coming off without even trying. When things start to slow and fat loss becomes tough, then perhaps look to adding chemical aids.

In short, address these issues before even thinking about drugs:

1 - Visit the diet forum for assistance. I have yet to come across a diet that cannot be improved in some way. More often than not, the "pre-help" diets detailed in that forum by members needing assistance are truly awful.
2 - If fully recovered from the crash, incorporate strength training into your lifestyle if you have not done so already. The benefits of which I have outlined 3 posts back from this one

Hi

Thanks for the advice and quick reply. I have been dieting and exercising a lot more and over the past 2 months have managed to shift a fair bit of weight but I have hit a wall. I will increase the weight lifting as you advised but I wondered if there are any supplements that would give me a boost to lose the fat as i think i could do with some help. I will consider the ECA but is clen and T3 better? obviously do not want to overdo the medication as i have read some things about clen? your help is really appreciated. Thanks

If you feel you need assistance at this stage then ECA would be the one. Have a look through the ECA thread for comprehensive dosing and user experiences. T3 should be considered totally out of bounds due to it's potential deleterous effects of muscle mass, which for females, is at a premium.

As above though, before anything - Diet forum!!

Thanks for all your advice. Diet forum here i come
Bev

running clen now using balkan tabs currently running four a day and well i feel off my tits tbh im all shakey bit hyper and twitchy but other than that im fine is this onbe of the usual sides ?


Ras

PartyBoy


Welcome. I'll try to make my suggestions brief and to the point:

2.5 weeks is not enough time to effectively lose 5lb. You may lose 5lb of weight but it won't be fat, it will mostly be water and regained. You might lose around 2lb of fat in this timeframe. I could number crunch calorie figures to prove this, but I won't bore you silly.

So:

1 - Sort your diet in the diet forum. Smaller portions, more often. 5, maybe 6 "feedings" per day. No cheats.
2 - My preference is ECA (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin) over clen. Clen may be slighty better at increasing calorie expenditure, but ECA has many other more important advantages such as appetite suppression and increased vigour/energy. So forget clen and consider using ECA as detailed in the ECA main thread.
3 - Forget pansy weights. Ditch the bright coloured dumbells and start exerting some effort lifting weights which are challenging for you. Aim for a weight that you can only manage 8-12 reps - and the last 2 should be bl00dy hard! Increase your strength training frequency. Train with weights before cardio if they are done at the same time. Hard strength training burns more calories than steady state cardio. It also increases muscle mass (don't worry you won't get 'big' - it simply isn't going to happen!). Muscle mass requires calories to survive so again, more calories burned at rest. Strength training increases calorie expenditure rate for a far greater time after you have finished, than that from cardio.

Hi PartyBoy

can a guy combine the two

like clean four days on four days off and do eca just has pre-workout?

You will not be clean from clen due to the long half life.

PartyBoy


You will not be clean from clen due to the long half life.

so is it dangerous?should I just stick to one or the other?

cos at the moment i only use eca pre-workout

what is the life of clean?

Some take both concurrently; I wouldn't.
More clen info HERE

Partyboy,

Would running T4 synthroid with clen be synergistic? If so what dose of t4's would I take? 200lb 15%bf and can I run both whilst on sust cycle or is it best to leave until end of cycle and thro PCT?

Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

The effects will be cumulative, though not necessarily synergistic. T4 tends to be run at dosages at fourfold over those specified for T3 (detailed in the T3 sticky topic).

You would normally run thyroid meds in conjunction with steroids to offset potential catabolism.

Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me out here. I have some Clen and T3 but unfortunately due to my work I cannot take it for the advised length of time. 3 weeks is about as long as I could take any one thing for in succession.  First of all, is there any benefit to taking either of these products for this length of time and if so could anyone advise on the amount required, I'm especially concerned about the T3 and the warnings regarding tapering.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Cheers

I know that ketitofen can be used to extend a clen cycle, but I have found it hard to get any.  I read somewhere that the OTC Nytol sleep aid does the same thing in cleaning the receptors.  Is this correct?

Thanks

Windy

I would not recommend taking Clen and ADD meds. As Clen is Beta 2 stimulator meaning increases heart rate. Mix that with ADD meds usually being a stimulant base. You run the risk of raising your body temp to a risky level. In addition to the amount of stimulants you are loading your cardiovascular system with. I would say if it were me I would not do it. I would just bust my ass doing more cardio.

Do it again!

My apologies for breaking the rules - I was unaware.

Great article - just the odd question

Has cardiac muscle necrosis been reported in human usage?
Would you recommend taking taurine and ketotifen supps whilst on clen?  

Ironman Journal

When should clen be used whilst bulking or cutting or can it be used for both due to its anti catabolic properties?

I get that it raises body temp so you burn more calories and that its anti catabolic does this mean that it can be used to build muscle and lose fat?

Thanks.

Muscle Finesse & Maximuscle Board Rep

Iceman - cutting in the last stages of it when you need to get super lean and i mean single digit

It is NOT anti catabolic either

Hi,
 
I have a couple of questions:
 
1. Would Clen show up on a drugs and alchohol test?
2. Does Clen have any negative affect on the kidneys? (I only have 1)
3. I have read various posts by people suggesting epistane significanlty altered their body composition - any warrant on taking this together with clen or even this over clen?
 
Thanks

1. Would Clen show up on a drugs and alchohol test?
i have heard clen showing up as ephedrine before,but this could be due to eph intake and also ugl tabs being used
they wouldnt or couldnt test for clen itself unless it was targeted

2. Does Clen have any negative affect on the kidneys? (I only have 1)

not many and any to moan about,have a read of the clenbuterol thread and it will tell all


3. I have read various posts by people suggesting epistane significanlty altered their body composition - any warrant on taking this together with clen or even this over clen?

any form of cycling is better than running clen alone so yes this is viable

thanks for your response Powerhouse.
 
Okay so i have done my research and i am 99% sure clen is what i need.
 
I have a few more q's though:
 
1. I go on holiday in june and was thinking of starting my cycle at the start of march looking like this:
 
    02/03 - 15/03 ON
    16/03 - 29/03 OFF
    30/03 - 12/04 ON
    13/04 - 26/04 OFF
     27/04 - 10/05 ON
    11/05 - 24/05 OFF
    25/05 - 07/06 ON
 
I would be following the standard dosage's as laid out by partyboy in this thread. How does this look?
 
2. I dont want to take EPH during the "OFF" weeks incase it shows up on a drugs and alchohol test at work. Can anyone recommend anything instead of EPH?
 
Thanks guys
 

Hi, ive been reading that Clen isnt all the great for the heart cells and can cause them to die by Taurine depletion. Would supplementing with Taurine negate this worrying problem?

theiopener


Iceman - cutting in the last stages of it when you need to get super lean and i mean single digit

It is NOT anti catabolic either

I thought peopled used a low dose of clen (40mcg/day) during PCT as it's anti-catabolic?

Clen is suppose to deplete taurine so taurine is useful on a daily basis of around 3-5g i would imagine, i think taurine may also be used to prevent cramps, the cramps off clen are painful and i got them all over my body so i just discontinued use and continued to cut without it.

Muscle Finesse & Maximuscle Board Rep

StillBulking

theiopener

Iceman - cutting in the last stages of it when you need to get super lean and i mean single digit

It is NOT anti catabolic either

I thought peopled used a low dose of clen (40mcg/day) during PCT as it's anti-catabolic?

Yes a very good myth that has perpetuated across the net. Unfortunately its not true. Its anabolic and anticatabolic in animals with the beta 3 receptor but adult humans lack this receptor but still it has gone around a while.

theiopener

StillBulking

theiopener

Iceman - cutting in the last stages of it when you need to get super lean and i mean single digit

It is NOT anti catabolic either

I thought peopled used a low dose of clen (40mcg/day) during PCT as it's anti-catabolic?

Yes a very good myth that has perpetuated across the net. Unfortunately its not true. Its anabolic and anticatabolic in animals with the beta 3 receptor but adult humans lack this receptor but still it has gone around a while.

Hmm, but it's all around this forum, I'm pretty sure even PartyBoy has suggested it?

I just ordered some clen yesterday to use in PCT :/

HCG kicks its arse when it comes to recovery.

Many have reported positive benefit using clen alongside pct. I wouldn't use it personally, as the potential risk of the drug is not something I would want for what I would consider minimal (or no) benefit.

I don't particularly like clen as a drug anyway, least of all for this purpose tbh. Some swear by it though so I guess try it and see.

Partyboy are you saying that you think CLEN is quite a dangerous drug and that the reports of heart damage etc are not just scaremongering?

Taken from ****/clen

Also, bear in mind that clenbuterol has some side effects. It isn´t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc, ) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies it´s within the range of what would be double of a large human dose...) it´s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans´ beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy and cardiac necrosis (cell death) to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing the more significant, possibly irreversible, heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.

As above studies show detrimental effect, but with massively larger dosages. Clen I believe is still licensed to treat asthma in some european countries, as are other beta agonist drugs in this country.

tbh, the side effects coupled with albeit very small chances of deleterous cardiac effects make it a relatively poor option in the arsenal of 'cutting' drugs. 

I used to have anxiety problems however i havent had anxiety in ages now due to the medication i am on as well as 'brain training' .  I plan to use clen for pct at 40mg a day.  You reckon i should be ok?

if I do a course of Clen as its is not an anabolic steroid is there any PCT required before going onto a regular course i.e deca/sus etc?

No

When would you introduce keto into a 4 week clen cylce partyboy? And in what doses?

Thanks bro

I thinking of running clen again, the first time i ran it i got up to 80mcg and got awful cramps which put me off it and i stopped it immediately, i supplemented with taurine so that obviously didnt help, will 200-400mg potassium help or might it not help?

No point me buying clen and getting cramps again is there, so if anyone has had bad cramps and have got rid of them somehow let me know, thanks.

Muscle Finesse & Maximuscle Board Rep

When I first started taking Clen I was expecting to get cramps when I was excerising but that didn't happen.  I get cramps usually at night after I've gone to bed, usually in my foot or in a carf muscle. Last week I woke up in screaming pain with cramp in both calf muscles - I thought my hamstrings were going to snap.  Definately going to be eating bananas and taking some taurine before bed when I go back on.