Clenbuterol

Clenbuterol induced muscle hypertrophy (including the heart) have been shown to occur in numerous animal studies.

I would be interested to see conclusive human data.

 

Hi Partyboy, this is a quality post - any chance it can be added to the articles section at the top of the forum?

The problem with the articles bro is that people never look at them! Vets/mods will provide links to articles when appropriate from people's questions.

In contrast - 'stickys' are prominant in the relevant forums, so hopefully they are viewed therefore avoiding the most common questions being asked 10 times in a week!

 

Ha ha I see your point, cheers mate. I think I will take this opportunity to have another read of the articles cause I bet theres useful stuff I have missed out on!

Partyboy, i had a question about the amount of Clen to use. I understand the stacking of 1 on day 1 2 on day 2 etc up to 140mcg a day, but after the two week layoff doing ECA, when I return to the next 2 week cycle of Clen do I start over at 1 20mcg pill on day one, etc... or do i just go back to the 7 pills a day for the next two weeks? Does that make sense?

Hi Texan, yes the question makes sense though thereis no definitive answer. Some people will start the next set of 2 weeks at the level that they finished the previous one, without a taper up. This is fine if as an individual you are very tolerant of the sides. Personally, I like to resume a little lower, so when I finish on 7 tabs, I will resume at 4 or 5 and build up again from there.

 

Partyboy, awesome! Thanks, that is exactly what i meant. I sat here reading what i wrote not sure I was even making sense to myslef, but that's what i was trying to ask. Thanks, if i do a Clen/ECA turn here I will taper down a bit when i resume after my two week off period. I am still not sure if i want to try doing this or whether i should spend a better chunck of time trying to gain before cutting up.

Hi PB,

what is the best dose for ketotifen while on Clen?

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2-3mg ed should be plenty. Higher dosages tend to cause drowsyness and dry-mouth. Be aware that clen dosages should be reduced by around 25%.

 

Partyboy when on Clen is water retention an issue. I am on my second week of Clen where I tappered up to 120mgs but I look like I am retaining water. I drink around 4-5ltrs a day. Could it be something else.

Cheers

Never heard of this being a complaint bro.

 

ive been using clen for a few days and before that ephedrine for 2 weeks

i have to say, this is so awesome :) im 4 stones overweight and lost a stone which was bad too quick in a week with ephedrine but now use clen instead, it helped quiet alot and i hear it dont loose muscle but fat only.

i can see my muscles underneath the fat again, looks nice and cut up :) God willing i wish i can loose 3 stones before february

right first off let me congrat party boy on his article, its very gd. now im 17 gunna start useing clen tabs in about 3 or 4 months gunna cut aswell as bulking at the same time. now before anyone stats a quick remark to "nooo dont do it mate its gear" you actually wrong clen only had the same compound structure as a steroid yet it will not have an impact on my hormone levels wot so ever. as for side effects im fuly aware of all of them. i must state that i will not use steroids till im older enough so need need to worry.
my plan for a cycle will be 2 weeks on\2 weeks off. not to sure weather its adviserble to do an eca stack aswell but herd quite alot of people hve got adicted to using eca. ***Sorry bro - no source/price discussion.***

I'm just wondering how effective cutting with Clen is, in a more long term sense. What I mean is, if I go on a bulking cycle after using clen, am I just gonna put all the fat I just lost back on? Should I just keep bulking until I reach my final goal of 250lbs (I'm 185lbs now)? Or is it possible for me to get rid of any excess fat and then keep bulking but staying lean with only minor if any fat gains?

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my plan for a cycle will be 2 weeks on\2 weeks off. not to sure weather its adviserble to do an eca stack aswell but herd quite alot of people hve got adicted to using eca. ***Sorry bro - no source/price discussion.***

ECA dependance usually occurs from chronic long term usage. It is unlikely to be a problem from a 2 week on, 2 off basis.

 

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if I go on a bulking cycle after using clen, am I just gonna put all the fat I just lost back on?

You will regain lost bodyfat if your calorie intake exceeds your calorie needs. It's similar to when 'regular' people go on a 'diet' (i hate that word when used in this sense). They generally lose weight whilst on the diet. If they re-adjust their eating habits to match their caloric needs, they will maintain their lower bodyfat level. However, if they simply go back to their old eating/activity regime, it stands to reason that the weight will simply be regained.

Should I just keep bulking until I reach my final goal of 250lbs (I'm 185lbs now)?

That's your personal decision. If you're happy with your current %BF level, then there's no particular reason to 'cut'.

Or is it possible for me to get rid of any excess fat and then keep bulking but staying lean with only minor if any fat gains?

Very possible. 'Bulking' needn't mean gobbling everything in sight as though there was to be an impending food shortage. You can be in a 'mass gaining' phase by consuming sufficiently to encourage new growth without going overboard which will inevitably lead to excess fat storage.

 

cheers party boy just wonderd wot sort of dosage i should take though most people have told me to start on a low dose any ideas?

p.s. yeh sorry didnt know if u where alowed to discuss where to buy stuff

Dosing schedules are outlined at the start of this thread bro.

 

so correct me if im wrong yeh bro but if i do a 2 week on 2week off on clen i just take on clen tab aday? also is it asential and needed to take Ketotifen?

You take 1 tab on day 1, 2 tabs on day 2, 3 tabs on day 3 etc.... This is explained in detail here:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_165419/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Not essential at all to use ketotifen

 

PB-

When running Clen through PCT can you run it for the entire PCT or should you stop after the first two weeks?

You can carry on throughout bro. Clen dosages during pct are relatively modest so will not down regulate receptors to the extent that standard cutting dosages will.

 

Thanks Bro-

I thought so, but wanted to be sure.

Thanks again

PartyBoy, I plan on using Clen as part of my PCT, but I'm scared $hitless of not being able to train due to some of the possible side-effects.

How powerful is 20mcg of Clen compared to 25mg ephedrine?

Also, how much Clen does it take to induce "Clen poisoning"? I've noticed that the dosing plan you've given increases the dose day by day. Is there a possibility that this may cause problems due to the drug's long halflife, especially for those who've never used Clen before?

Hi mate

Clen and Eph provide differing physical side effects. I find eph gives a heightened sense of awareness, a wired sort of effect. Clen, on the other hand generally gives more -ive effects. Headaches and tremors are commonplace.

You'll probably not experience much in the way of sides from 20mcg, though 40mcg may start to give you slight hand jitters. In any event, these tend to subside later in the day, and will probably dissappear completely after a few days usage, as the body becomes accustomed to the drug. I can't forsee any problems (assuming you are in good health) using as you plan.

 

PB, ok, I wasn't thinking that there are two different dosage plans with Clen for cutting & PCT. So basically the PCT would be run something like 20mcg for the first week & then 40mcg for the 2nd week.
When I get to the second week, is the 40mcg taken all at once or should the dose be split up?
Or, could 20mcg be used for the two weeks without needing to increase dosage?

heh, anyway that 7 tabs a day sounds scary. I don't think I would be able to write or type on the keyboard with those dosages. heheh
Personally, I would feel more comfortable using T4's & GH for cutting instead of Clen. Might be a bit more expensive, but no need to worry about the shakes & people thinking you're on crack or something.

I remember way back when I was hard on the ephedrine, it took me about a year to work my way up to 7 tabs.

Run 40mcg throughout pct. Just start the first day or two on 20mcg. You can take the 40mcg all at once.

 

If someone was wanting to try clen but as anxiety problems, would this be a probleme seing that anxiety attacts are sometimes a cause of nervousness???

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pb m8,
if you personaly had no probs with sides would you not taper and start staight off with 140mcg for 2 weeks
i ask because i just finnished first 2 week cycle with no sides and after eca was going to go straight in at 7 tabs 2weeks
would this shut down receptors qiucker and so should i reduce time on
cheers,
woo.

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If someone was wanting to try clen but as anxiety problems, would this be a probleme seing that anxiety attacts are sometimes a cause of nervousness???

I would imagine this not to be a good idea bro.

 

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pb m8,
if you personaly had no probs with sides would you not taper and start staight off with 140mcg for 2 weeks
i ask because i just finnished first 2 week cycle with no sides and after eca was going to go straight in at 7 tabs 2weeks
would this shut down receptors qiucker and so should i reduce time on

Yes I finish on 7 and could possibly start again at 7 from the start, though sides are likely to be more severe than tapering up. I usually restart around 4 tabs.

 

Yes I finish on 7 and could possibly start again at 7 from the start, though sides are likely to be more severe than tapering up. I usually restart around 4 tabs.

do you bother to taper down m8,
cheers,
Woo.

No, there's no need. Clens h/l acts as a natural taper.

 

Hey PB I was just thinking...would 1 large dose(say 10g) of ketotifen taken once a week have any benefit on cleaning out your receptors so that you can take clen for longer? Just wondering if it strictly needs to be taken on a daily basis.

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Not a good idea imo. The half life is short 3-5 hours so smaller more frequent dosages are much more suitable. Also, higher dosages could cause acute drowsiness.

 

Ok thanks!

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Ok i heard that when taking clen after a week your body gets accustomed to it, what about t3?

Nice 1 just ordered 200 and now feel happy you've answered all the questions.....

Just to clarify PB, when using ketotifen at 5mg ed would I be able to use clen for 10 weeks straight at say 60-80mg?

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yes warden u can, and u only need 3mg a day