Clenbuterol

Welcome. I'll try to make my suggestions brief and to the point:

2.5 weeks is not enough time to effectively lose 5lb. You may lose 5lb of weight but it won't be fat, it will mostly be water and regained. You might lose around 2lb of fat in this timeframe. I could number crunch calorie figures to prove this, but I won't bore you silly.

So:

1 - Sort your diet in the diet forum. Smaller portions, more often. 5, maybe 6 "feedings" per day. No cheats.
2 - My preference is ECA (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin) over clen. Clen may be slighty better at increasing calorie expenditure, but ECA has many other more important advantages such as appetite suppression and increased vigour/energy. So forget clen and consider using ECA as detailed in the ECA main thread.
3 - Forget pansy weights. Ditch the bright coloured dumbells and start exerting some effort lifting weights which are challenging for you. Aim for a weight that you can only manage 8-12 reps - and the last 2 should be bl00dy hard! Increase your strength training frequency. Train with weights before cardio if they are done at the same time. Hard strength training burns more calories than steady state cardio. It also increases muscle mass (don't worry you won't get 'big' - it simply isn't going to happen!). Muscle mass requires calories to survive so again, more calories burned at rest. Strength training increases calorie expenditure rate for a far greater time after you have finished, than that from cardio.

does anyone have any thoughts of taking a higher dose than 140mcg. does an increased dose give better results?

i love clen, but i am a bit concerned about the long term effects, i heard it kills ur nervous systeme, and some time il fill like i dont talk as well as i used too, i make mistake or cant find the words i am looking for, any studies !???

Hi Partyboy Hope you can help me.

I have been reading the forums and you are really helpful and extremely knowledgeable about the vastly different drugs available for weight loss. I had serious car crash and due to the rest period after I have put on a lot of weight. I have started to eat healthy and exercise but would like to take something to help with the fat loss. I have been looking at clen and T3 as these seem to have the best results. I was wondering if you could give me some advice regarding how to take them? Thanks so much.

Welcome.

Hope that you are feeling much better after the crash and that you are fully recovered. Having rested up after the accident it's not surprising that you gained fat. People are not great at altering eating habits to match calorie expenditure differences. In my mid teens circumstances dictated that my daily calorie expenditure dropped drastically & permanantly. It took 8 years before it dawned on me that I must change my eating habits - calories in vs. calories out ratio. Basically, I was fat.

My advice at this stage would be to correct the calorie imbalance that may be still be at play. You mention that you have just started to sort your diet and exercise more, so chances are you probably are in a general calorie negative state, so why not let things run naturally and steadily. Fat loss rate should be modest at say 1-1.5lb per week. If you have lots of fat to lose then just by increasing activity levels and nailing diet, the fat should be coming off without even trying. When things start to slow and fat loss becomes tough, then perhaps look to adding chemical aids.

In short, address these issues before even thinking about drugs:

1 - Visit the diet forum for assistance. I have yet to come across a diet that cannot be improved in some way. More often than not, the "pre-help" diets detailed in that forum by members needing assistance are truly awful.
2 - If fully recovered from the crash, incorporate strength training into your lifestyle if you have not done so already. The benefits of which I have outlined 3 posts back from this one

Hi

Thanks for the advice and quick reply. I have been dieting and exercising a lot more and over the past 2 months have managed to shift a fair bit of weight but I have hit a wall. I will increase the weight lifting as you advised but I wondered if there are any supplements that would give me a boost to lose the fat as i think i could do with some help. I will consider the ECA but is clen and T3 better? obviously do not want to overdo the medication as i have read some things about clen? your help is really appreciated. Thanks

If you feel you need assistance at this stage then ECA would be the one. Have a look through the ECA thread for comprehensive dosing and user experiences. T3 should be considered totally out of bounds due to it's potential deleterous effects of muscle mass, which for females, is at a premium.

As above though, before anything - Diet forum!!

Thanks for all your advice. Diet forum here i come
Bev

running clen now using balkan tabs currently running four a day and well i feel off my tits tbh im all shakey bit hyper and twitchy but other than that im fine is this onbe of the usual sides ?


Ras

PartyBoy


Welcome. I'll try to make my suggestions brief and to the point:

2.5 weeks is not enough time to effectively lose 5lb. You may lose 5lb of weight but it won't be fat, it will mostly be water and regained. You might lose around 2lb of fat in this timeframe. I could number crunch calorie figures to prove this, but I won't bore you silly.

So:

1 - Sort your diet in the diet forum. Smaller portions, more often. 5, maybe 6 "feedings" per day. No cheats.
2 - My preference is ECA (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin) over clen. Clen may be slighty better at increasing calorie expenditure, but ECA has many other more important advantages such as appetite suppression and increased vigour/energy. So forget clen and consider using ECA as detailed in the ECA main thread.
3 - Forget pansy weights. Ditch the bright coloured dumbells and start exerting some effort lifting weights which are challenging for you. Aim for a weight that you can only manage 8-12 reps - and the last 2 should be bl00dy hard! Increase your strength training frequency. Train with weights before cardio if they are done at the same time. Hard strength training burns more calories than steady state cardio. It also increases muscle mass (don't worry you won't get 'big' - it simply isn't going to happen!). Muscle mass requires calories to survive so again, more calories burned at rest. Strength training increases calorie expenditure rate for a far greater time after you have finished, than that from cardio.

Hi PartyBoy

can a guy combine the two

like clean four days on four days off and do eca just has pre-workout?

You will not be clean from clen due to the long half life.

PartyBoy


You will not be clean from clen due to the long half life.

so is it dangerous?should I just stick to one or the other?

cos at the moment i only use eca pre-workout

what is the life of clean?

Some take both concurrently; I wouldn't.
More clen info HERE

Partyboy,

Would running T4 synthroid with clen be synergistic? If so what dose of t4's would I take? 200lb 15%bf and can I run both whilst on sust cycle or is it best to leave until end of cycle and thro PCT?

The effects will be cumulative, though not necessarily synergistic. T4 tends to be run at dosages at fourfold over those specified for T3 (detailed in the T3 sticky topic).

You would normally run thyroid meds in conjunction with steroids to offset potential catabolism.

Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me out here. I have some Clen and T3 but unfortunately due to my work I cannot take it for the advised length of time. 3 weeks is about as long as I could take any one thing for in succession.  First of all, is there any benefit to taking either of these products for this length of time and if so could anyone advise on the amount required, I'm especially concerned about the T3 and the warnings regarding tapering.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Cheers

I know that ketitofen can be used to extend a clen cycle, but I have found it hard to get any.  I read somewhere that the OTC Nytol sleep aid does the same thing in cleaning the receptors.  Is this correct?

Thanks

Windy

I would not recommend taking Clen and ADD meds. As Clen is Beta 2 stimulator meaning increases heart rate. Mix that with ADD meds usually being a stimulant base. You run the risk of raising your body temp to a risky level. In addition to the amount of stimulants you are loading your cardiovascular system with. I would say if it were me I would not do it. I would just bust my ass doing more cardio.

My apologies for breaking the rules - I was unaware.

Great article - just the odd question

Has cardiac muscle necrosis been reported in human usage?
Would you recommend taking taurine and ketotifen supps whilst on clen?  

When should clen be used whilst bulking or cutting or can it be used for both due to its anti catabolic properties?

I get that it raises body temp so you burn more calories and that its anti catabolic does this mean that it can be used to build muscle and lose fat?

Thanks.