Human Growth Hormone

I am 38 yrs old, train 4 days a week and just finished a 24 week diet starting at 17st 3lb and finishing at 13st 2lb, starting to carb up now, when do you think the best time of day would be to take ansomone rhgh for someone my age, i want to try and put on some lean mass, also should i wait till i'am bulking up more...cheers......

ORIGINAL: jonnydenver

ORIGINAL: jon38dene

I'm about to run the following AAS cycle;

wk 1-6 100mg Test P EOD
wk 1-6 75mg Tren A EOD
wk 1-6 100mg Masteron EOD
wk 7-10 PCT

I have managed to get my hands on some yellow top GH and want to run this along side for as long as I can afford (4 months max). I was thinking 4IU ed except wkends.
I have ran T3 before and was thinking of using it again alongside GH. what doses would be best considering all the other meds and when will be best to start?
I have also been to told to be careful of fake yellow top GH. I hear thre are a lot of fakes which are HCG relabeled and the way to detect this is by giving ur self a pregnacy test the morning after administration and if its possitive its is in fact HCG (U WUD HOPE ANYWAY). And if its not GH or HCG its normaly something else and the way to tell is if its a loose powder as opposed to a clyindrical mass of powder? Is this a load of cock and bull or are these good guide lines to follow?

Cheers fellas

What GH is it? Yellow top Jintropin?

What GH is it? Yellow top Jintropin?

Jonnydenver it is yellow top jintropin

ORIGINAL: mutang351

Cheers, do you think if i persist with the ansomone my antibodies might level out. I only say this because my girlfriend is fine on it now, after using it for three months eod@ 2iu. Its the usual story, the guy i get it from uses it himself 4iu 5days on 2 days off with 2-3 sust a week, never had a problem is 18 st with abs intercostals, just how it goes. Should i try another growth, just easy with the ansomone, good price,fairly easily available......Cheers

Your body produces anti-bodies to fight off anything foreign that it does not reconise....One of the first reactions is flu and a sign you have foreign bodies in there....Of course you could have just caught a bug and may not may not be anything to do with GH...

...What you use is up to you....Unfortuantely with GH, you get what you pay for...

Cheers jd, The guy i get the stuff from said that because i dont use steroids and that i'am clean, that the antibody theory is most likely the cause, and that he and other fellas were all taking foriegn bodies ie steroids before taking growth, so they had built up a resistance. Sounds logical i suppose, what you reckon mate........ cheers.....

Anyone know the conversion of IUs into mg of GH?

1mg = 3IU with HGH

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

1mg = 3IU with HGH

many thanks - I will have an article on GH up on the site in a few days

I have written an article on The Use of Human Growth Hormone in the treatment of HIV / AIDS as it's come up before a few times on MT.

The article explores the use of recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH) in improving the clinical outcome of HIV infection.

You can access the article through the 'articles' tab at the top 'Steroid Related' section, or directly here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-growth-hormone-hiv.aspx

I'll be happy to answer any queries.

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Last nyt I woke up soaked thru with sweat. Could this be a possible side of GH? This is the first time that I've run it so not really sure what to expect.

Does anyone know how much HGH i can take back from china legally?

ORIGINAL: ironmind07

Does anyone know how much HGH i can take back from china legally?

Upto 3 months supply providing the product is OTC in the country where you obtain it. "3 month supply" is open to interpretation and there is little in the way of precedents

What is the best cycle for me?

I am male, 6'2" tall.
405 pounds.
35% body fat.
My target body weight is 283 pounds.

I'm looking to lose body fat without losing anymore muscle mass.
I've already gone from 275 pounds lbm to 263 lbm. I don't want to lose any more.

I've been told hgh would help, but I am looking for something that will allow me to regain some of my lbm while dropping body fat.

I already excersize twice daily, once for cardio and once for resistance training and cardio combined.

I eat mostly all fruits and vegetables, with a little tuna, salmon, chicken, and very rarely lean beef.

I eat 4 times per day, usually eating fruit and starchy foods early in the day.

I've pretty much got a handle on these aspects, and I'm dropping weight fast, but I'm concerned with my lbm loss.

If anyone could give me a good hgh cycle allowing for rapid fat loss but maintaning or even increasing lbm, I would greatly appreciate it.

From what I have read thus far, it looks like hgh, insulin, t3, and a form of testosterone or some other anabolic substance.
What I cannot find is the dosages, frequencies, when to start what, or what to cycle it off with.

Also, what kind of info does anyone have on IGF-1?

jeff@cmfginc.com

ORIGINAL: jeffcmfg

I'm looking to lose body fat without losing anymore muscle mass.
I've already gone from 275 pounds lbm to 263 lbm. I don't want to lose any more.

Welcome.

How are you measuring this? How do you know it's lbm?

I already excersize twice daily, once for cardio and once for resistance training and cardio combined.

Sounds like overtraining.

I eat 4 times per day, usually eating fruit and starchy foods early in the day.

Your diet is poor. My suggestion is visit the diet forum to get a better idea.

I've pretty much got a handle on these aspects, and I'm dropping weight fast, but I'm concerned with my lbm loss.

Dropping weight fast is simply asking for muscle loss. You need to address this area by visiting the appropriate forums (diet/cardio/training). You don't need drugs.

If anyone could give me a good hgh cycle allowing for rapid fat loss

As above. 'Rapid fat loss' is not what you want to do. I suggest that you forget all about 'fast results' and concentrate on doing things the sensible way.

Partyboy,

I appreciate the response. Let me elaborate on my situation, however. I currently weigh 405 pounds, and I am at 35% body fat.

Before I weighed in at 479 pounds and I was at 54% bodyfat. I am 30 years old and my doctor told me to lose fat or I'd die before I turned 31. In the past 4 months I've lost 74 pounds, but with the hydro body fat test my lbm went from 275 down to 263. However, my bodyfat percentage went down to 35% so I am happy with my results, however, I would like to retain my lbm or even increase it from here on out.

As you can see, I have a great deal of weight left to lose just to be healthy. However, I would like to keep my muscle mass if possible.

If hgh isn't a good way to do that, what would you suggest.

Also, I don't plan to maintain my 2 workouts a day after I get down to 15% bodyfat level. Also, I will alter my diet at that point. The diet I'm on now is for the sole purpose of lowering my blood pressure and losing weight.

ORIGINAL: jeffcmfg

If hgh isn't a good way to do that, what would you suggest.

Just a quickie on this mate, the chances are with you being overweight your going to be at high risk of type2 diabetes and therefore could well be insulin resistance.
I would therefore suggest you avoid HGH as it has shown to negatively affect your insulin sensitivity.

With an LBM of 260+ I personally would not worry about loosing a little LBM to get down to a healthy weight.
Cardio, diet and hit the weights and give it 6-12 months.

Oh and congrats on loosing the weight and keep at it.

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Ok,

That makes a lot of sense.

Thanks.

Good advice above.

Many congrats on you decision to turn things around jeff and the progress to date. There are one or two things that may be of use to you though it would be unwise to think about using at this stage given your current medical situation and the fact that you simply don't need them! You shouldn't lose appreciable muscle mass this far out from goal, I shouldn't worry about this at all. Concentrate on steady, sensible progression. Once you attain perhaps 15-18%, then re-assess the situation ie. your rate of fat loss and current medical parameters (bp, lipid profile etc).

All that aside, HGH would be the last thing on my list for fat loss. It is very expensive and yields little in actual terms. Useful only for those who are already employing a multitude of other more effective drugs in the first place yet still want that tiny bit extra, irrespective of how much in monetary terms that little bit costs.


I would still suggest a visit to the diet forum as I think you should be eating more than 4 times a day (little and often). Also, the guys will be able to ensure you are getting enough protein to help minimise any muscle losses and aid potential muscle gain. Although cardio is a good option for you, I would still make strength training at least as important. Muscle is metabolically active requiring calories to survive. There are also numerous studies that show that metabolic rate is raised for a much greater length of time after a strength training session that after a cardio session meaning you are still burning calories long after you've finished. Perhaps look around the training/cardio forums too for some ideas or help.

I really do wish you well and will be interested to hear your progress.

Thanks for the information and the congrats, I'll keep you informed of my progress and I'll check out the cardio and diet sections.

jeff@cmfginc.com

hi party boy ,thanks for a very informative thread,i have just a few questions .From what i have read on this thread i understand that the more growth you do the better the results ,but what wud you class as a decent amount to see strength gains.I was going to run them on there own as i really fed up of sides with gear.Was thinking 5 ius 4 months weekends off...i know this is a bit of a vague question but any help would be helpful......thanks.....

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is gh anti catabolic?would it be usefull when on off periods ?

I,ve heard that there is restrictions in China for shipping out growth any-one have an up-date on this??

Micky McKay Personal Trainer Healthy Action www.fitness121.co.uk

china has clamped down in the illegal distribution on HGH, however at the mo there is still plenty around usually in the form of generic blue top and hygetropin.

Hello friend I am now for some day on getropin, I am on 8 ui day ,and I am very very tired, I was not like this whith 6 ui hygetropin(finisch my hyge 1 week ago) it is normal, I am on cutting cycle for a contest in november whith trenabol 200, mastabol, and 3 winstrol a week, but very low in calorie.
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paolo.

Anyone ever tryed GH alone??

Stopped using AAS as I'm trying for a baby just wondering what what sort of gains people have had using it alone, I'm going to be shooting 10iu EOD (5 morn, 5 eve), staying away from slin and T3 as Im not going to be competing for a while yet. On a bit of a downer now as my size and strength is starting going slowly!!

"Get big or die trying"

ORIGINAL: welshmatt983

Anyone ever tryed GH alone??

Stopped using AAS as I'm trying for a baby just wondering what what sort of gains people have had using it alone, I'm going to be shooting 10iu EOD (5 morn, 5 eve), staying away from slin and T3 as Im not going to be competing for a while yet. On a bit of a downer now as my size and strength is starting going slowly!!

Waste of time and money without AAS...

I would caution anyone using gh to think long and hard about the long term damage they may be doing to their bodies.

IN ORDER TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXCESSIVE GH LEVELS, ENDOCRINOLOGISTS TRY TO LOWER THE LEVEL TO LESS THAN 5 mU/l and have your IGF-1 level in the normal range for your age.


where there is no deficiency, human growth hormone (HGH) therapy will artificially raise blood levels of the hormone above normal levels.
One predictable human growth hormone danger is overgrowth of certain bones (when normal growth is finished and HGH levels are still high, abnormal growth in these bones can continue), particularly in the face, causing coarse prominent features. Over time, muscle weakness may set in and there can be metabolic problems such as Diabetes and high blood pressure. Heart problems associated with high HGH levels are well documented, and nerve damage is also one of the commonly seen human growth hormone risks. The relative risk of these and other side effects increases with the size of the dose given.
Subtle but common human growth hormone risks also include fluid retention causing puffiness, and muscle and joint aches.
coarsening of facial features
enlarged hands and feet
thickening of the soft tissue in the palms and soles of the feet
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (tingling feeling or pains in the hands)
excessive sweating and oily skin
headaches
vision disturbance
Sleep apnoea
general tiredness
irregular periods (Oligomenorrhoea) or loss of normal menstrual function (Amenorrhoea) - adult females
impotence - adult males
reduced fertility
decrease in sex drive
to name just a few

The risk of getting colon cancer IS raised

well, thank god you just didnt copy and paste, where would we be without your knowledge...

Thats what we like someone speaking from experience and not out of text book....LOL.

I'm speaking from experience mate. Have been battling elevated gh levels since 1999 and suffer from a number of the problems listed in my post the most worring is an enlarged heart.

how long do you need to wait before taking carbs after taking hgh?

ORIGINAL: ironmind07

how long do you need to wait before taking carbs after taking hgh?

you dont,

are you getting insulin and HGH mixed up?

maybe

i thought because hgh has an effect on insulin levels you had to stay away from carbs for a couple of hours or so..

Hey guys I have just broken my collar bone and need to heal up asap. I have heard hgh can speed the process, is this true and if so how can i pursue it.

I'm currently taking Clenbuteral and Eltroxin cycle would it be good to add HGH to this?

does HGH make everything grow? if you know what I mean? my wife says I'm to big down there already, I'm just curious? I'm not trying to brag either

No it doesn't.

And just a little life experience to offer:

Wives/girlfriends ALWAYS say that. Ignore it.
Pay more attention to what EX-wives/EX-girlfriends say.

and PB, thats why i'm such a happy lad

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so HGH is overall more of a body composition changer than anything? i am fascinated by the improved skin quality / change in composition. considering running it with 100mg var pd. what is an ideal HGH dose / duration not worrying about cost?

Has anyone heard of: Global Biotech (HGH) 1 Kit 80iu (10*8Ius) any good?