Melanotan and Melanotan II

ORIGINAL: johnny bravo
1, The water that is sent free with the 10mg vial from one supplier, will this be a sufficent amount

Yes. 1ml is absolute minimum. Use upto 4ml though as per guidance in the article.

2, Ive got 2ml barrels and 23g, 1 1/4'' pins
or 1ml 29g 12,7mm insulin needles at home with me.

Read the article, then decide for yourself.

3, do the insulin needles have to be back filled due to the fact that they would be
blunted if used to draw up with

Yes.

 

I received the MT2 today finally, I knwo in the article it says that in powder form its pretty stable, but its been sitting in the post office all weekend. I looked at the powder and its almost solid - doesnt look very powdery at all - all stuck together. Is this normal

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Yes

 

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

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ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

partyboys suggeston of tappering the dose up from 0.25mg to 1mg perday, is a good idea, as its enables your body to get used to the hormone more easily, and stops the sides from being as noticeable.

but as 90% of us are steriod users (sometimes recless steriod users) we like to jump in at the deep end to get there quicker. hence the 1mg per day, from day one.

we are used to all kinds of sides in our sport, so we arent too bothered about a few sides we might recieve from 1mg of mt2. but as the for the genaral population, a tappering up period is a good idea.

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

If you are using insulin syringes which have short needles, you will need to enter the skin at 90°. to the skin, otherwise you can inject as shown in the illustration above with a 29 or 30 gauge, 0.5" needle.

Hey there PB, your "Melanotan and Melanotan II" article was a very informative read... as your stuff always is I hasten to add ;-)

The question I have is about the pin size and injection method. You talk of insulin syringes having short needles therefore entering at 90º, otherwise using a 29-30g, 0.5" needle and inject as per you illustration (45ºish).

The insulin syringes I can find on Medisave all have 0.5"(12.7mm) needles, with the exception of one, which is 8mm. Can I assume then that "any" 0.5" (12.7mm) needle can go "in" at an angle (45ºish) and only the 8mm insulin syringes can go in at 90º?

Sorry fella, I wish I coulda written it out shorter... I hope you understand my question. Angle v's ideal length

OlBoy

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

If you are using insulin syringes which have short needles, you will need to enter the skin at 90°. to the skin, otherwise you can inject as shown in the illustration above with a 29 or 30 gauge, 0.5" needle.

Hey there PB, your "Melanotan and Melanotan II" article was a very informative read... as your stuff always is I hasten to add ;-)

The question I have is about the pin size and injection method. You talk of insulin syringes having short needles therefore entering at 90º, otherwise using a 29-30g, 0.5" needle and inject as per you illustration (45ºish).

The insulin syringes I can find on Medisave all have 0.5"(12.7mm) needles, with the exception of one, which is 8mm. Can I assume then that "any" 0.5" (12.7mm) needle can go "in" at an angle (45ºish) and only the 8mm insulin syringes can go in at 90º?

Sorry fella, I wish I coulda written it out shorter... I hope you understand my question. Angle v's ideal length

OlBoy

Yes you are correct, that is fine.

mcl

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

Its all about sides as related to in the article bro.

From users personal experience, starting out at 1mg ed caused in the majority of users (using high quality purified MT-II) severe facial flushing, feeling of nausea throughout the day, severe at times, random penile erections, and bad migraines. Thus it is very sensible to advise starting at a lower dose and tapering up so your body gets used to the drug thus minimising bad side-effects from the onset.

mcl

Yes you are correct, that is fine.

mcl

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ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

Its all about sides as related to in the article bro.

From users personal experience, starting out at 1mg ed caused in the majority of users (using high quality purified MT-II) severe facial flushing, feeling of nausea throughout the day, severe at times, random penile erections, and bad migraines. Thus it is very sensible to advise starting at a lower dose and tapering up so your body gets used to the drug thus minimising bad side-effects from the onset.

mcl

...plus the user'd get the bonus of a few "extra" days worth of it by tapering up

Now, if I were going on holiday in 5 days... I'd probably cane it and suffer the side effects

btw, I've not used it at all yet, so I can't reeeaally comment, but the reducing the side effects makes kinda sense to me. I'll let you know if I stay pasty white for weeks after I start.

Just did my first shot! No longer a jab virgin!! Apologies if this is a stupid question, but is it usual to get a very small (tiny) lump where injected? Just a lil worried as its my first one, and wanna make sure i havent injected air into my blood or anything lol.

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yes quite normal. Just be sure to go deep enough underneath the surface layers of the skin. Even then though, some will experience a little bump or irritated site for a day or two. I don't, the better half does

 

cool, i did as per the instructions 0.5" needle at 45 degree angle, so all should be good hopefully :) thanks for your help on this PB much appreciated!

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ORIGINAL: gwilym

cool, i did as per the instructions 0.5" needle at 45 degree angle, so all should be good hopefully :) thanks for your help on this PB much appreciated!

i thought a 0.5" needle could go in at 90 degrees to the skin as it is so short. wouldnt 45 degrees not go deep enough?

out of curiosity if you dont go deep enough, is it a wasted injection?

ORIGINAL: lewism6

i thought a 0.5" needle could go in at 90 degrees to the skin as it is so short. wouldnt 45 degrees not go deep enough?

Depends how fat you are. Really guys, it's not that much of a big deal.

 

Just thought i would post my experience with melanotan 11. I mixed 5 ml of water with the powder and injected 0.5ml every day for 10 days. I went on a sunbed, [standup] 6 min, on day 3,5,7,9, for no reason other than convenience. For 7 days i felt as sick as a dog, and my libido was, at times unbearable. After 7 days my nausea seemed to go but the increase in sex drive stayed for about 12 days. By day 8 friends were commenting on my tan. On day 10 i flew out to Spain, i sunbathed for only an hour a day because previously all that ever happened was redness, soreness then peeling, Arrived back today, and to put it mildly the results are amazing. Friends and family are all commenting on my tan. I personally am gobsmacked at the outcome with only 10 mg, This post is in no way for advice, just my experience, but i had to write this because for someone who has NEVER, had a tan, i know what it feels like to be white all the time. And to add i was very sceptical about this product, but it worked, for me.

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I'm getting a strange side effect - dont know if its caused by the EC im taking at the moment, but i inject a good 4 hours after my last EC dose. Instead of sex drive and increased blood flow - i seem to get the opposite - speed dick!!!
Any explanations?

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The eph will be over-riding the effects of melanocortin receptor agonism.

 

OK, stupid question, but i take it that wont effect the tanning though right?

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No

 

is it just me, or have Medisave stopped the Google checkout for needles, syringes, swabs etc? I'm sure I went through the motions yesterday to get it to just over £30 and it let me pay through Google checkout.

I didn't go through with the transaction cos I needed to see if the GF wanted to do Melanotan too... so I put everything back in today at Medisave, and Hey Presto Google checkout now isn't available for my items. BIATCH!!

or has it never worked? and it was just my eyes yesterday lying to me

I know medisave were on the list http://checkout.google.com/buyer/merchants.html and is due to expire on the 10th. I have heard reports that some retailers on the list are not actually doing the discount though. Strange if you had the discount yesterday tho

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=464858

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

I know medisave were on the list http://checkout.google.com/buyer/merchants.html and is due to expire on the 10th. I have heard reports that some retailers on the list are not actually doing the discount though. Strange if you had the discount yesterday tho

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=464858

Indeed... I deleted all cookies just in case it thought I'd had the benefit once already, but no good. Buy hey, if I added a £46 thermometer I'd let me have the discount then.

The Google Checkout sign is there, but when you've only got pins and syringes in your basket it says something along the lines of "due to the nature of the content of your basket we are unable to... blah blah Google Checkout discount. Use the regular checkout instead"

Shame, still nevermind... got the 5% discount tho', cheers PB

I'm gunna stop asking questions soon so sorry if this is broing people now, but i just did my first injection into my upper arm, so to rotate the site, as you can't pinch that i just went in at a 45 degree angle where i knew i wouldnt run into any muscle, just below the delt on the outer side. Now 30mins late, i can still feel a slight prickle (kind of like if you get mildy stung by a nettle) in the site and a large hardish lump like a swelling is appearing (not really visable but can feel it). None of this happened when injecting into my abdomen. There is also a redish glow to the area but i guess thats normal. But are the prickling and the swelling OK?

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No idea, but not an easy place to pinch an inch I'd imagine to get an easy sub-q shot.

What's wrong with sticking to the ab/oblique region? There's literally hundreds of sites to go at. I've sub-q'd 60 or more jabs within half an hour before now in the ab area.

 

Yea i think i'll be sticking to the ab region in the future, just subq instuction websites mentioned the upper arm thats all. Hopefully the itching and swelling will go down, its just getting on my nerves worrying whether is just an injection irritation or a reaction to the MTII.

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

I've sub-q'd 60 or more jabs within half an hour before now in the ab area.

What??? how so mate?

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ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

I've sub-q'd 60 or more jabs within half an hour before now in the ab area.

What??? how so mate?

I reckon he's been worried about getting wrinkles on his belly, and giving himself botox. LOL

Don't do it IM jabs tho' or you'll be doing a floppy limbo for your trouble ; )

Im on day 5 at a dosage of 0.75 mg and had a 10 minute sunbed today, not showing any signs of a tan though. When does the tanning usually start?

ORIGINAL: OlBoy
I reckon he's been worried about getting wrinkles on his belly, and giving himself botox. LOL

lol no. I was experimenting with mesotherapy. Results weren't report-worthy.

 

ORIGINAL: thecodehaseyes

Im on day 5 at a dosage of 0.75 mg and had a 10 minute sunbed today, not showing any signs of a tan though. When does the tanning usually start?

Although you will tan using MT alone, the process is massively exaggerated with at least moderate amounts of UV exposure. As such, 1 tan session is nowhere near enough - give it time....and a good few more tanning sessions.

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

ORIGINAL: lewism6

30g are the slin pins arent they?

Yes, though slins tend to be shorter than a regular 30g 0.5" pin.

i was intending on buying the 30g pins just wanted to know if they would fit on the 3ml barrel and that the 3ml barrel would be ok for injecting the solution out of?

Yes they will fit. Barrels and needles are a universal size. As said though, 3ml barrels will not provide a great deal of accuracy without using a large amount of dilutent. 2ml barrels would be ok though

Having just started my MT2 yesterday, I agree that the 30g pins at 0.5" length are fine for the SQ jab. I have got 2ml barrel and I only just managed to measure out my first 0.1ml dose, today was okay at 0.2ml... but still fiddly. 1ml barrels would be ideal

As PB says somewhere in this post, draw back the plunger after your shot, so as to reclaim the unused MT2, as there there tends to be a bit more unused stuff in there than there would be in an "all in one slin pin".

Start your doses low guys to test your side effect levels ;) .

I would have diluted my 10mg MT2 powder to 4ml of boc water as PB suggests but I couldn't physically fit 4ml into the vial... go figure. So I've diluted to 2ml instead, which is fine... particularly when you get to the 1mg level and it's to the 0.2ml mark on the barrel.

Side effects haven't been too bad for me... nausea for a few hr, but hey no sickness so no biggie. After about 3hrs after my shot I suffered some recurring hardons... not good in the office, lol... longer shirt tomorrow. But, they subsided after about 4 hrs. Upon reflection, I think I'll take my shot before tea from now on... let my GF have some benefits

Have fun tanning

ORIGINAL: OlBoy
I would have diluted my 10mg MT2 powder to 4ml of boc water as PB suggests but I couldn't physically fit 4ml into the vial... go figure. So I've diluted to 2ml instead, which is fine... particularly when you get to the 1mg level and it's to the 0.2ml mark on the barrel.

Ahh yes you are correct. Much of the MT2 now appears to be shipped in 2ml vials as oppose to 10mg ones. The only way around this really is to transfer the 2ml of MT solution to a new sterile vial which you have with another 2ml bac water in.

ORIGINAL: OlBoy
let my GF have some benefits

Oh yes, it'd be rude not to

 

Ok, I've spent the last 2 hours researching all I can on MT about Melanotan in preparation for using this shortly. I've not used AAS before so do not have any experience of injecting so can anyone sanity check the following:

Receive the Melanotan
Add Bac water into Melanotan vial and mix
Using 1-2ml syringe and 22-30g 1-1.5" needle draw out required dosage
Change needle to 29/30gauge 0.5" needle
Inject in chosen site
Draw back on plunger to remove any remaining solution
If any solution remaining store in fridge.
Change needle when you next administer solution.

Regarding the sub-q injection, any tips? Is it as simple as pulling the skin from the muscle and injecting? Depth required? Will you know if you've gone too far?

Sorry for the newbie q's but keen to know everything beforehand.
(I've even convinced the missus to join in in the hope that it will soften her up when I actually start using AAS and she can help with the injections then)

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Sounds fine. Here's a shot of how I go in. This applies to a short slin or a longer 0.5" 30g regular pin. Go in all the way with the pin

 

sorry if you have alread stated PB, cant see it

have you had an increased in moles, the darkness of any or freckles on it?

It must get to be a bit of a pain in the ar*e going over and over and over the same stuff PartyBoy... but we do all appreciate it you know thx

One more stooopid noobie sub q jab question... do you need to aspirate when doing a sub q shot??

TIA fella

OlBoy

ps, nice tan (too gay for me to say that?) did you always go that colour prior to the MT2 or has it increased your colour darkness "a little", "moderately" or "a lot"?

TT - yes some new moles but after a while they disappear when I stop using MT and let the tan fade off. My existing moles will darken whilst using MT, but again on cessation will revert to original state. I have always had that big mole you see on the left of the pic btw

OlB - No aspiration for sub-q. I tan reasonable well but nowhere near what is possible with MT

 

thanks mate

i am waiting for my 30-50 new ones to depart

I have some slight bruising around the injection sites after 8 jabs, would this simply be normal and no issue?

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