Melanotan and Melanotan II

ORIGINAL: johnny bravo
1, The water that is sent free with the 10mg vial from one supplier, will this be a sufficent amount

Yes. 1ml is absolute minimum. Use upto 4ml though as per guidance in the article.

2, Ive got 2ml barrels and 23g, 1 1/4'' pins
or 1ml 29g 12,7mm insulin needles at home with me.

Read the article, then decide for yourself.

3, do the insulin needles have to be back filled due to the fact that they would be
blunted if used to draw up with

Yes.

I received the MT2 today finally, I knwo in the article it says that in powder form its pretty stable, but its been sitting in the post office all weekend. I looked at the powder and its almost solid - doesnt look very powdery at all - all stuck together. Is this normal

Yes

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

partyboys suggeston of tappering the dose up from 0.25mg to 1mg perday, is a good idea, as its enables your body to get used to the hormone more easily, and stops the sides from being as noticeable.

but as 90% of us are steriod users (sometimes recless steriod users) we like to jump in at the deep end to get there quicker. hence the 1mg per day, from day one.

we are used to all kinds of sides in our sport, so we arent too bothered about a few sides we might recieve from 1mg of mt2. but as the for the genaral population, a tappering up period is a good idea.

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

If you are using insulin syringes which have short needles, you will need to enter the skin at 90°. to the skin, otherwise you can inject as shown in the illustration above with a 29 or 30 gauge, 0.5" needle.

Hey there PB, your "Melanotan and Melanotan II" article was a very informative read... as your stuff always is I hasten to add ;-)

The question I have is about the pin size and injection method. You talk of insulin syringes having short needles therefore entering at 90º, otherwise using a 29-30g, 0.5" needle and inject as per you illustration (45ºish).

The insulin syringes I can find on Medisave all have 0.5"(12.7mm) needles, with the exception of one, which is 8mm. Can I assume then that "any" 0.5" (12.7mm) needle can go "in" at an angle (45ºish) and only the 8mm insulin syringes can go in at 90º?

Sorry fella, I wish I coulda written it out shorter... I hope you understand my question. Angle v's ideal length

OlBoy

ORIGINAL: OlBoy

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

If you are using insulin syringes which have short needles, you will need to enter the skin at 90°. to the skin, otherwise you can inject as shown in the illustration above with a 29 or 30 gauge, 0.5" needle.

Hey there PB, your "Melanotan and Melanotan II" article was a very informative read... as your stuff always is I hasten to add ;-)

The question I have is about the pin size and injection method. You talk of insulin syringes having short needles therefore entering at 90º, otherwise using a 29-30g, 0.5" needle and inject as per you illustration (45ºish).

The insulin syringes I can find on Medisave all have 0.5"(12.7mm) needles, with the exception of one, which is 8mm. Can I assume then that "any" 0.5" (12.7mm) needle can go "in" at an angle (45ºish) and only the 8mm insulin syringes can go in at 90º?

Sorry fella, I wish I coulda written it out shorter... I hope you understand my question. Angle v's ideal length

OlBoy

Yes you are correct, that is fine.

mcl

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

Its all about sides as related to in the article bro.

From users personal experience, starting out at 1mg ed caused in the majority of users (using high quality purified MT-II) severe facial flushing, feeling of nausea throughout the day, severe at times, random penile erections, and bad migraines. Thus it is very sensible to advise starting at a lower dose and tapering up so your body gets used to the drug thus minimising bad side-effects from the onset.

mcl

Yes you are correct, that is fine.

mcl

Cheers MCL : ) Google Checkout, here I come

ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover

ORIGINAL: Papa Lazarou

What makes you believe your dosages are correct over the 1mg ED used by a lot of us over the last few month PB? Not at all disputing your article (as it is very useful to newbies) but for those who've used it before, i'm not sure of the logic behind it and the previous protocol used now being wrong? What data says the old protocol is bad? Is there any tests done to show your ideas?

Its all about sides as related to in the article bro.

From users personal experience, starting out at 1mg ed caused in the majority of users (using high quality purified MT-II) severe facial flushing, feeling of nausea throughout the day, severe at times, random penile erections, and bad migraines. Thus it is very sensible to advise starting at a lower dose and tapering up so your body gets used to the drug thus minimising bad side-effects from the onset.

mcl

...plus the user'd get the bonus of a few "extra" days worth of it by tapering up

Now, if I were going on holiday in 5 days... I'd probably cane it and suffer the side effects

btw, I've not used it at all yet, so I can't reeeaally comment, but the reducing the side effects makes kinda sense to me. I'll let you know if I stay pasty white for weeks after I start.

Just did my first shot! No longer a jab virgin!! Apologies if this is a stupid question, but is it usual to get a very small (tiny) lump where injected? Just a lil worried as its my first one, and wanna make sure i havent injected air into my blood or anything lol.

yes quite normal. Just be sure to go deep enough underneath the surface layers of the skin. Even then though, some will experience a little bump or irritated site for a day or two. I don't, the better half does

cool, i did as per the instructions 0.5" needle at 45 degree angle, so all should be good hopefully :) thanks for your help on this PB much appreciated!

ORIGINAL: gwilym

cool, i did as per the instructions 0.5" needle at 45 degree angle, so all should be good hopefully :) thanks for your help on this PB much appreciated!

i thought a 0.5" needle could go in at 90 degrees to the skin as it is so short. wouldnt 45 degrees not go deep enough?

out of curiosity if you dont go deep enough, is it a wasted injection?

ORIGINAL: lewism6

i thought a 0.5" needle could go in at 90 degrees to the skin as it is so short. wouldnt 45 degrees not go deep enough?

Depends how fat you are. Really guys, it's not that much of a big deal.

Just thought i would post my experience with melanotan 11. I mixed 5 ml of water with the powder and injected 0.5ml every day for 10 days. I went on a sunbed, [standup] 6 min, on day 3,5,7,9, for no reason other than convenience. For 7 days i felt as sick as a dog, and my libido was, at times unbearable. After 7 days my nausea seemed to go but the increase in sex drive stayed for about 12 days. By day 8 friends were commenting on my tan. On day 10 i flew out to Spain, i sunbathed for only an hour a day because previously all that ever happened was redness, soreness then peeling, Arrived back today, and to put it mildly the results are amazing. Friends and family are all commenting on my tan. I personally am gobsmacked at the outcome with only 10 mg, This post is in no way for advice, just my experience, but i had to write this because for someone who has NEVER, had a tan, i know what it feels like to be white all the time. And to add i was very sceptical about this product, but it worked, for me.

I'm getting a strange side effect - dont know if its caused by the EC im taking at the moment, but i inject a good 4 hours after my last EC dose. Instead of sex drive and increased blood flow - i seem to get the opposite - speed dick!!!
Any explanations?

The eph will be over-riding the effects of melanocortin receptor agonism.

OK, stupid question, but i take it that wont effect the tanning though right?

No