Epistane and Tren Xtreme 8 Week cycle

Hello all.

Yesterday I started my cycle, but only thought to make a log today. I'll try to update and give details of my training sessions as often as I can but work alot and finding time for the computer can be hard sometimes.

My goal for this cycle is primarily increasing strength and if the weight gains come then so be it. (starting weight 85kg)

Bit of history, have ran 1 epistane cycle standalone, 1 epistane and superdrol cycle, 1 aborted standalone superdrol cycle (got the flu) and 1 m1t cycle back in the day. Been training constantly for about 5 almost 6 years, eat well and generally make a steady flow of slow but sure strengh gains, weight fluctuates alot but as long as i keep getting stronger Im happy.

Ready to try a new compound so thought Id try tren xtreme after reading about it on extremesupplements.com, i really enjoy epistane also so decided I'm going to stack the 2 like so

EPI 20/20/20/30/30/30/40/40
TREN XTREME 0/0/0/0/90/90/90/90

PCT
nolva day 1 60mg
2-10 40mg
11-21 20mg

Supplements during the cycle:
cod liver oill
omega 3
multi-v
glucosamine
pro-liver
zma
max CLA
whey
glutamine (before and after training)
caffeine (before training if tired)

Through out the 8 weeks I will be undertaking a program based on a Bill Starr training regime, 3 day a week which looks like the following

Monday

Squat 5x5
Bench 5x5
Row 5x5
EZ bar curls 4x6
Side lat raises 3x10

Wednesday

Squat 4x5
Military Press 4x5
Deadlift 4x6
Wide Grip Chins 3x8
Shrugs 4x8
Abs

Friday

Squat 4x5, 1x3, 1x8
Bench 4x5, 1x3, 1x8
Row 4x5, 1x3, 1x8
Tricep rope pushdowns 3x8
Dumbbell curl 4x6

Exercises may change depending on my preference on the day but the first 3 compound exercises of each day will be what I am focusing on improving from week to week.

Hope some of you will follow my log and give me any constructive critisism on my plans and cycle, enjoy.

Monday - Day 1 (yesterday)

took one cap epi when iI woke yesterday and one before training, felt really good training and the stats go like so

Squat 5x105, 5x107.5, 5x110, 5x112.5, 5x115 (these squats are ass right to the ground)
Bench 5x87.5, 5x90, 5x92.5, 5x95, 5x 97.5
Row 5x75, 5x77.5, 5x77.5, 5x77.5, 5x80
Side lat raises 3x10x7kg (slow slow raise and 3 small circles at top with elbows locked out and arms slightly above shoulder height)
EZ bar curls 6x35, 6x37.5, 6x40, 6x42.5

had massive pumps training but may have been placebo affect and not the epi just this soon.

good luck mate, will be keeping an eye on you cycle

good luck with the cycle and the journal mate. will pop in to see how you progress

Thanks guys.

I didnt train last week as was taking a week off before starting this cycle, I get such bad DOMS after taking even the slightest wee while off, especially coming back into squatting, can hardly walk around today.

Squatting tonight just isnt gonna be any fun, will power through it though, and going to go straight out for a nice meal with the woman after.

Will post my training and how I feel later.


Oh, dunno if anyone else has found this, but I have in the past and now again, Im a bad sleeper, but on epi I get an excellent night sleep, not contributed to the zma because i take it reguaraly off cycle as well.

As above mate, good luck with the cycle, im starting Epi soon as will watch with interest

Thanks mate, Im looking into cissus drol to run post cycle as well as have heard its good. Might be a nice addition.

Also had been considerin running proviron which I have ran before and loved, but am having a difficult time sourcing... as my last source which I had always relied on didnt send me all my order last time and I cant get in touch with them for some reason... so not buying from there again.

PMs welcome lol

Hello again

Last nights training session ended up being quite late, didnt get started until around 10pm in the end so rope pull downs and the usual, abs, got left out. still completed my main exercises and was pleased enough with my findings

squat (first 2 sets from monday, and 3rd set rom monday twice)
5x105, 5x107.5, 5x110, 5x110

Overdead DB press 6x22.5, 6x25, 4x27.5 (failed on fifth) 6x25
not very pleased with this as have been up to 32.5s in past but will get it up again.

wide grip chins 3x8 BW

Deadlift 6x120, 6x122.5, 6x125, 6x127.5
pleased with this as havnt done deadlift from before xmas

The epi is still giving me amazing pumps when training and such good focus, only it got late last night I felt like i could have trained all night. looking forward to the tren xtreme, which im considering doing for 6 of the 8 weeks rather than 4...

I could be wrong because I'm going from memory here but didn't the Bill Starr routine have a heavy/light/medium lay out to it's 3 workouts?? 

Thats  a lot of squatting, ill be keeping an eye on this.

Good luck.

was gonna say looks like a lot of squattin!! every day is it?

im runnin this cycle v soon so will be keepin an eye on this..
why the proviron tho mate? prov is mainly used to keep water bloat down yeah?? not sure but IIRC epi doesnt cause much water bloat.. i could be wrong!1
id save the cash tho mate...
add somethin like lean x in pct or somethin like that!!

Not gonna run proviron, but would like to, I just really love the effect it has on me, leaves a ridiculously ripped look lol.

Your right
Bill starr has medium monday, light wed, and heavy friday, basically applying only to squat and bench.

Heres a link...

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm

basically you do 5 sets of squat monday, your first 3 sets on wed are the same as monday and your fourth is a repeat of the third, on friday its your first 4 sets repeated then a set of 3 2.5kg heavier than your last set monday, followed by a set of 8 the same as your first set...

this may be slightly modified but i like it better this way.

take a look at the link for more info anyway, but i reckon this is whats gonna give me the best results as i have used this exact same format in the past.

And yeah, it is a lot of squattin, takes its toll like. but plenty of rest and food and epi lol should be grand. wont be doin it for more than 8-10 weeks i reckon.

lookin forward to tomorrow to get my heavy sets up though, got to love low reps and heavier weights!


oh yeah! and thinkin of addin in cissus drol, into pct, whats anyones thoughts on this? think it would be a good addiction? Im not an overly big fan on these kinds of supplements.. tend to go more for the basic straight forward things...? dont know much about cissus drol but everyone seems to think its great!

So considering whether to run the tren xtreme from weeks 3-8 or weeks 5-8..

feedback on this?

cheers

its non methylated so no worries regardin the liver...
but 8 week on epi.. quite a while mate!!
why not 6 wks, and add the tren x in straight away!!
its the cycle ill be runnin soon.. although mine mightbe slightly shorter due to goin on hols in oct and want pct done before i go!!

Thats a thought yeah... potentially start monday and have 5 weeks on tren overlappin with the 5 weeks left on epi.

hadnt actually thought about that, the reason bein sort of wanted to see what i could get out of epi again for first 4 weeks as its the third time ive ran it. but then again, a 6 week cycle does sound more appealing.

one of the options i had considered before starting was 6 weeks of epi and 4 weeks tren from week 3-6.

I have to start back at uni start of october also so would be nice to have pct cleared up by then too,

wouldnt wanna be carryin to much liquid nolva or what ever your using on holidays with me... esp if i was going through any customs!

well i was just finishin pct up when i went away to dominican rep couple yrs back and dint even think about any possinle implications of carryin nolva wi me!! wasnt sure what the take on it would be.. but nowt happened which was good! haha

yeah im back to uni in oct too, so want the cycle finishin up either just before or as i go back then hit the pct and then on the olhs towards the end of the month!!

im no expert here mate and never run  either compound yet.. will be soon tho!
but id go with the 6 week option fella...
most seems to have their results taper off towards the end of 4-5th week it seems so id go with 6 week epi, and weeks 3,4,5,6 ad din the tren x...
sounds like a good one and one i shall also be doin mate!!

lol i wouldnt like to try my luck with customs anyway.

Most people do seem to see their results tapering off i agree yeah, was just mainly for the experimental value of the whole thing though.

afterthought... I prob should have ran tren on its own before stacking it with something to see how id react to it but too impatient lol


by the way, whats all these reward points and scroes that have appeared over night? whats all that about?

well, went out with some friends last night, ended up not gettin a bit pile of sleep, workin all day today, so training will take place tomorrow morning instead of this evening when i should be much fresher.

Im off to majorca tuesday, and im starting PCT (clomid) on Monday, i was hoping to try bring it with me, do you reckon there's a good chance of being caught?

Also would the clomid just be conviscated or would it be more serious?