UG Lab Discussion Resolution

As a result of http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3227356 :



Recent issues and debates have led the MuscleTalk team to compile a policy on the discussion of underground (UG) labs and products.

The consensus is that general discussion of UG labs and products will  not be permitted.  This is to avoid the Testosterone and Other Steroids forum from turning almost into a advertisement area for certain labs with thread after thread asking the same question about the same few labs.  In reality, one reputable lab's product will yield the same results as another lab's of the same product, assuming similar dosing.  For this reason, we encourage a more general question about a particular steroid. Below are a few broad examples of how the guidelines should be interpreted, though the list is not exhaustive and is a general guide only:

"What's the best UG test/tren/var?" - not allowed, please use the search function
"Anyone rate WC/BD etc?" - not allowed
"What were your gains like on  (insert UG lab name and/or product name)?" - not allowed
"What can I run with test/tren/var?" - perfectly acceptable
"Is this legit?" - perfectly acceptable, please have a look in the fake gear thread to see if it's in there.
"I'm getting undue pain from UG lab X's  product, Anyone else suffer the same?" - perfectly acceptable.

However, it is acknowledged that there is a need for members to learn about any possible issues with certain labs, so some of these types of threads with manufacturer details will often be left to run.

Remember, there is the Search Forum button at the top if you wish to read past posts on a particular lab.

The stance will be akin to that of the General forum, where limited debate of, for example, political issues, is allowed but with a degree of moderation.  The goal is to run MuscleTalk as a pleasent, enjoyable discussion forum encouraging members to post, but to ensure a healthy balance.

If there are any queries, please do let us know, though please note that the thread is left open at present in order to clarify any member queries relating to the resolution itself, not to discuss other options which was done in the original discussion thread .

Many thanks and enjoy MT!
 

 

I would like to use the search function, it still isnt fully operational yet.

What do you suggest?

I'm sure admin haven't forgotten about any search feature issues. In fairness though, I have just run a search for 2 different UG labs and was presented with multiple threads to view.

 

Sounds fair enough to me..Some of the topics were getting a bit out of hand popping up every day - search funtion seems ok to me atm!

Would something like "has anyone had any problems with UG lab X/Y/Z" be allowed PB? Just with new labs popping up every now and again people might wish to know if anyone else has run with/without issues

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looks a very good, well thought out solution to me.

thanks to the mods and board owners for keeping some ug lab discussion on the table. 

daz

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seems a fair solution to me

started at 68kg
PB,s
bench: 170kg 3 reps cg 155kg single
deadlift: 5 reps 245kg 1RM 260kg @knee height
squat: 200 kg 2 reps
clean and press 100kg 2 rep 110 1RM
weight:108kg bf 14%~

sounds good to me

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The tren of forums.

Fair enough PB. Good resolution all round.

PartyBoy

"What's the best UG test/tren/var?" - not allowed, please use the search function
"Anyone rate WC/BD etc?" - not allowed
"What were your gains like on  (insert UG lab name and/or product name)?" - not allowed

Remember, there is the Search Forum button at the top if you wish to read past posts on a particular lab.

I can see a problem here.

By suggesting the search button you acknowledge the genuine value to members of past discussion on UG labs. 
Yet the 'not allowed' stance renders the information 'out of date', historical.
As we know labs can go downhill quick, products that have provided results in the past can stop producing results.
Outdated search results may be misleading.

DS

 

The solution would be to implement the new procedures retrospectively. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not spending hours of my time searching through all historical threads to edit/delete any trace of UG discussion.

I'm sure members can appreciate that data is historical and bear that in mind when making decisions.

 

Seems a sensible approach this way IMO...

Search function still needs addressing though.. in the greater scheme of things - not an issue.

Good decision guys :)

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search info when talking about UGL could potentially be out of date... Axio/Syntrop etc

but anyway, lines been drawn now

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also carrier oils will effect different members differently and not all labs use the same carriers for all products. but yes i get the point. 

As was debated in the other thread it is certainly not the perfect solution but there just isn't one other than no rules or total ban. Most sites have gone for total ban, other allow sources to advertise so again not really impartial.

This is the best ''happy medium'' but all understand its not perfect

Wrongun!

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seems sensible solution.

good work.

 


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Wrongun


As was debated in the other thread it is certainly not the perfect solution but there just isn't one other than no rules or total ban. Most sites have gone for total ban, other allow sources to advertise so again not really impartial.

This is the best ''happy medium'' but all understand its not perfect

Wrongun!

Just out of curiosity what UK sites have gone for a total ban on UGL discussion?  I confess I don't really stray too far from here any more (other than the obvious)

http://www.ugm.org.uk

Can  I just ask that longer term members take note again of this thread. It might be understandable that a new member joins up, starts a thread "what is lab x like" having not read this thread. However, longer term members must surely know by now the stance yet still post their thoughts in that thread?! Why is that?

No UG discussion (outside of the exceptions) is permitted, so please respect this until a moderator removes it. Indeed, you could even flag the post as inappropriate the help us!

thanks

 

hi just like to know is there an UGL we are not to talk about ??or is there a list somewhere on the site Thanks

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hi just like to know is there an UGL we are not to talk about ??or is there a list somewhere on the site Thanks

none of them

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Understood, and completely understandable.

If you're not bodybuilding, what are you doing?

Sorry should have been clearer with my previous reply.

Basically the rules apply to all UG labs and so no there is not a list of which you can or can no talk about. We are simply locking so information is still there in the archives

Wrongun!

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PartyBoy


As a result of :



Recent issues and debates have led the MuscleTalk team to compile a policy on the discussion of underground (UG) labs and products.

The consensus is that discussion of UG labs and products will be allowed, but the repeated discussion of the same labs will be discouraged.  This is to avoid the Testosterone and Other Steroids forum from turning almost into a advertisement area for certain labs with thread after thread asking the same question about the same few labs.  In reality, one reputable lab's product will yield the same results as another lab's of the same product, assuming similar dosing.  For this reason, we encourage a more general question about a particular steroid. Below are a few broad examples of how the guidelines should be interpreted, though the list is not exhaustive and is a general guide only:

"What's the best UG test/tren/var?" - not allowed, please use the search function
"Anyone rate WC/BD etc?" - not allowed
"What were your gains like on  (insert UG lab name and/or product name)?" - not allowed
"What can I run with test/tren/var?" - perfectly acceptable
"Is this legit?" - perfectly acceptable, please have a look in the fake gear thread to see if it's in there.
"I'm getting undue pain from UG lab X's  product, Anyone else suffer the same?" - perfectly acceptable.

However, it is acknowledged that there is a need for members to learn about any possible issues with certain labs, so some of these types of threads with manufacturer details will often be left to run.

Remember, there is the button at the top if you wish to read past posts on a particular lab.

The stance will be akin to that of the General forum, where limited debate of, for example, political issues, is allowed but with a degree of moderation.  The goal is to run MuscleTalk as a pleasent, enjoyable discussion forum encouraging members to post, but to ensure a healthy balance.

If there are any queries, please do let us know, though please note that the thread is left open at present in order to clarify any member queries relating to the resolution itself, not to discuss other options which was done in the original discussion thread .

Many thanks and enjoy MT!

Hope what i`v changed is correct. Thanks.

A good decision i think, as Wrongun said it's not ideal but a good "happy medium"

i am please to see a sensible approach, that's why this broad is as good as it is.

plus as Wrongun and Partyboy have said use the search you'll find most answers you need in the old threads.

well done guys and girls....

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whats the point of a steroid board if you cant discuss prices, latest ugs, whats crap or not....

localhero


whats the point of a steroid board if you cant discuss prices, latest ugs, whats crap or not....

What other board can you talk about prices on mate? None I;ve seen, though happy to be corrected.

The "point" is that you can get real reviews/advice from people who've used the gear, tell you it's abilities/side effects etc. Also there's a sub section where you can post up pics to see whther you've got bunk gear or not, then theres the other memebers that can help tweak you're course of the dosing is stupidly out and help with pct too.

Prices can be discussed down the gym, with the other users as they normally are. If one person is selling ArniebolXXX @£20 per amp and someone else is selling it @£50 per amp word will get round and you will get a feel for the prices.

localhero


whats the point of a steroid board if you cant discuss prices, latest ugs, whats crap or not....

If you feel their is no point in this steroid board because you cant discuss prices........JOG ON!

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PartyBoy


As a result of http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3227356 :



Recent issues and debates have led the MuscleTalk team to compile a policy on the discussion of underground (UG) labs and products.

The consensus is that discussion of UG labs and products will be allowed, but the repeated discussion of the same labs will be discouraged.  This is to avoid the Testosterone and Other Steroids forum from turning almost into a advertisement area for certain labs with thread after thread asking the same question about the same few labs.  In reality, one reputable lab's product will yield the same results as another lab's of the same product, assuming similar dosing.  For this reason, we encourage a more general question about a particular steroid. Below are a few broad examples of how the guidelines should be interpreted, though the list is not exhaustive and is a general guide only:

"What's the best UG test/tren/var?" - not allowed, please use the search function
"Anyone rate WC/BD etc?" - not allowed
"What were your gains like on  (insert UG lab name and/or product name)?" - not allowed
"What can I run with test/tren/var?" - perfectly acceptable
"Is this legit?" - perfectly acceptable, please have a look in the fake gear thread to see if it's in there.
"I'm getting undue pain from UG lab X's  product, Anyone else suffer the same?" - perfectly acceptable.

However, it is acknowledged that there is a need for members to learn about any possible issues with certain labs, so some of these types of threads with manufacturer details will often be left to run.

Remember, there is the Search Forum button at the top if you wish to read past posts on a particular lab.

The stance will be akin to that of the General forum, where limited debate of, for example, political issues, is allowed but with a degree of moderation.  The goal is to run MuscleTalk as a pleasent, enjoyable discussion forum encouraging members to post, but to ensure a healthy balance.

If there are any queries, please do let us know, though please note that the thread is left open at present in order to clarify any member queries relating to the resolution itself, not to discuss other options which was done in the original discussion thread .

Many thanks and enjoy MT!

 
good rule.  ive heard anti sentiment against certain brand here , and then on another sites forum (wont mention names) that same brand is getting lot of good reviews.
 
its like WTF is going on lol, who to believe, whats going on??
i agree all the ugl stuff more or less are the same if they contain the active ingredient. None of them is gonna be regulated like pharma, it wont be as high standard, most ugl are similar standard.
someone i know well told me , if you listen to forums on which labs is good whats not good etc.. all the time, you will go mad 
 

PARTYBOY but what if some here are affiliated with certain brand (not saying there are or there not, cause i dont know), and dont like your rule , and get p1ssed off with you????

Then they can go else where mate

so what can you ask about certain LAB ????? are you allowed two ask once or twice? or not at all?
If someone wants someone elses experience with a drug from certain manufacturer, what should one do?
 
its seems like youve blacklisted almost every discussion about labs. i think people should be allowed to discuss, but not allowed to continuously promote certain lab, or continuously talk down certain lab
 
there has to be a balance.

It works well enough the way the rules are now mate so i dont think there will be any changes.

cheers buddy, understood!!!

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 i understand why there is no ugl disgussion, but i personally would what to disguse them only to find out if there legit in what there sproviding or not (sort of like does it provide what it says on the tin), (ie) anyone who can get hold of powder form aas and no how to mix it with the oils etc the make up a brand name and then sell it. but it doesnt mean that 250mg/ml on the label is whats inside it, maybe its only 100mg/ml for example.
 
so i think ugl to a point should be alowd to be disgused simple to check that they are a ligit supplier and not bumping and scamming ppl with fakes etc, cause if someone is going to buy ugl cause the cant get pharma aas, then how are they going to no if its legit gear or not and how are they going to no its safe to use?
 
maybe set up a section on the forum for simple answers on werth the companys/ brands at that point in time has had good reviews or not.
 
i also understand that some manufacturers can make profilies on here to big there brand up pretending to be a user etc, but i think its benificial to all MT members that some sort of ugl disgussion should be alowed,
 
even if its just a section with updates from MODS and not posts from members them selves to say wether a brand is what it says it is, or give reviews on new brands that come out etc?
 
i personally think a MOD posting only section on ugl's will be benificial to MT members, this way there can be no advertising etc and totally MOD controlled, just to let members no which brands are good and which are bad and not what they say they are, ie poor quality, under doses,etc etc because there are loads of ugl brands all over the place and i just think its a good idea :)
 
just my 2p :)

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Good post stone14

stone14


so i think ugl to a point should be alowd to be disgused simple to check that they are a ligit supplier and not bumping and scamming ppl with fakes etc, cause if someone is going to buy ugl cause the cant get pharma aas, then how are they going to no if its legit gear or not and how are they going to no its safe to use?

 
The only way to know is by getting it independantly tested. If someone wants to do this, then to post the results here is fine. We are not just going to go on hearsay or opinion though.
 

 

Isee your point but some labs are good on quality control where as others can put out under then over dosed batches,i now only use 3 labs products as i trust them and my source and i dont feel i am missing out onanything by not trying out newer labs.An interesting post though and i can imagine oppinions will be divided.

PartyBoy


The only way to know is by getting it independantly tested. If someone wants to do this, then to post the results here is fine. We are not just going to go on hearsay or opinion though.

 
true you would need a trust werthy user to give you the info. was a good idea tho if you's had a guinee pig, ad take up the job like to try ug lab aas free freely supplied of course lol ;)
 
another idea ive just had which will prob never happen, is if the labs them selves actually get there gear lab tested by and indipendant tester and gave the forum mods lol

i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

main interests: physique conditioning, bbj, muay thai.

I do fully concur with member Dazc comment (via another thread) -  BUT, some lab discussion IMO should be allowed, otherwise it puts people’s health in danger.  How would problems with a product or lab ever become known?
This IMO is a quality question MOD. I do agree, but with some hesitance re the decision MT has made (I have no choice). But I, like many others out there, who no doubt will (hopefully) read this thread, actually depend to a degree on feedback re sources and their compounds. I fully understand the consequences of such BS feedback that some guy may have connections with a certain UGL, and I guess this is part of MT's problem? I support and commend your rules.
I just hope we can get some kind of reassurance re UGL? (I now doubt this will be the case in the very near future).
Once upon a time a friend of mine had a bad deal with counterfeit EQ. He unfortunately got blood poisoning. (Presence of bacteria in the blood and can be can be life threatening if not treated immediately). Thank God I was informed re this source as I was about to commence my EQ too from the very same source.
Although it makes sense PartyBoy, it’s a little sad at the same time, but hey ho! I’ll just keep growing in the meantime with my present source!